I asked Bing’s Chat Just One Question:
Can you demonstrate one time or place, throughout all history, where the average person was made safer by restricting access to handheld weapons?
The response was:
The question of whether restricting access to handheld weapons has ever made the average person safer is a complex one. There are many factors that can influence the answer to this question, including the specific type of weapon being restricted, the context in which the restriction is being implemented, and the effectiveness of the enforcement of the restriction.
According to a Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health article, science suggests that guns do not make us safer1. The article states that conflicting statistics about guns, such as how many people in the U.S. use guns for self-defense each year, and whether or not the crime rate is tied to how many people own guns, was the subject of a recent podcast featuring David Hemenway, professor of health policy at Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health1.
It is important to note that laws regulating the sale of assault weapons are unlikely to have a large impact on homicide rates, because these weapons are used in only a very small proportion of homicides. The vast majority of firearm homicides in the United States are committed with handguns2.
I hope this helps answer your question. Let me know if you have any other questions or if there is anything else I can help you with.
I find it interesting I did not mention firearms at all and it made it about firearms.
More importantly, by saying “science suggests that guns do not make us safer” is a demonstrating its bias. It is answering a different from which was asked. I asked if banning weapons made society safer. It responded with, essentially, “having weapons doesn’t make people safer”. Which leads to, “there is no harm from banning weapons”.
Via Matthew Bracken @Matt_Bracken:
I think the holster could stand to be upgraded, but that is indeed a very fun fact.
ATF has been known for its institutional abuse of power throughout history. Now, more than ever, the agency is being weaponized as a means to punish peaceable gun owners and drive small businesses out of the marketplace by inventing creative statutory interpretations surpassing the agency’s authority and scrutinizing federal firearms licensees every actions in a ‘gotcha’ manner.
With the directives from the Biden Administration a simple mistake such as transposing a digit or placing required information in the wrong field results in license revocation, rather than a warning, under the guise of a ‘willful violation’ of the Gun Control Act. This overbearing approach does nothing to support the government’s interest in compliance and destroys livelihoods over innocent mistakes.
Adam Kraut
SAF Executive Director
March 22, 2023
SAF SCHOLAR TO TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS THURSDAY ABOUT ATF ABUSES
A government regulatory agency for firearms is directly constitutionally prohibited. Alcohol and tobacco regulations is prohibited indirectly because there is no enumerated power which allow it. It will take a lot more litigation but that is a possible, and the correct, outcome of the Buren decision. With the current demonstrations of institutional abuse of power they should be moved to the top of the list of people who should be prosecuted.
If I had my way, ATF would be the name of a convenience store or a church.
It’s a completely crazy standard. They have turned the interpretation of the Second Amendment completely upside down.
Albert Alschuler
University of Chicago “legal scholar”
March 20, 2023
How The Courts Are Strangling Gun Reform
No. This dimwit has things “completely upside down”.The courts are implementing gun law reform. What part of “shall not be infringed” doesn’t he understand? Granted, he still thinks the 2nd Amendment protects the right of states to have a militia. But in the Heller decision all nine SCOTUS justices agreed (only five agreed with the entire decision) that it protects an individual right.
If he were an actual “legal scholar” he would have read and understood the Heller decision.
Ban all guns, if we have to go door to door and forcefully take away everyone’s firearms then we will.
Johnathan @theprism89
Tweeted on March 16, 2023
I would like to suggest he wear a head mounted GoPro when he “forcefully takes away everyone’s firearms”. Then we could enjoy some popcorn while watching the video. It would be a very small bowl of popcorn, but the video would be entertaining.
From Washington Attorney General, Bob Ferguson’s 2022 Domestic Terrorism Study:
A note on terminology: “domestic terrorism” (DT) is an undefined term in the Revised Code of Washington, but is defined in the U.S. Code as “activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”
It appears that the emphasized portions of the text above are satisfied by politicians and/or law enforcement who create and/or enforce gun control laws in violation of the 2nd Amendment.
Domestic terrorists. Yeah. That sounds right to me.
I look forward to their trials.
Last year’s Supreme Court case that expanded Second Amendment rights has wreaked havoc on the nation’s gun control laws, witnesses told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee Wednesday.
Michael Macagnone
March 15, 2023
Senate hears about legal fallout from Supreme Court gun decision
We have been telling them for decades those 10s of thousands of laws were unconstitutional. And they ignored and mocked us. They should not expect any sympathy from us as we will not give them any. The schadenfreude is sweet.
Just wait until we have machine gun sporting events in the high schools and the prosecutions start.
There are all sorts of different ways to fight for the Second Amendment. It’s not all butting heads with jerks and heated arguments on the internet. It’s not all donating money or calling politicians and telling them that if they vote for this latest nonsense, you’re going to make it your mission in life to kick them out of office. Though all that stuff helps, it’s the little things. It’s being that good example. That helping hand. It’s teaching and passing on knowledge.
The greatest warrior for the Second Amendment is the grandpa who takes the grandkids out and shows them how to knock cans off a fence with a pellet gun,
It’s the patient spouse who tries to gently persuade his or her significant other that Moms Demand Action is lying to them, and that allowing a gun in their home isn’t the end of the world.
It’s the manager who tells the HR department to shut up, and then tears down all those gun-free zone signs.
It’s you every time you take some new people to the range, show them how to use your guns safely, and then help them have fun.
Gun culture, this is on us. The future of our country depends on us holding the line.
But you’ve got this because you’re awesome. I’ve got faith in you.
Larry Correia
2023
In Defense of the Second Amendment page 189
This is a good book. It wasn’t quite what I expected. I expected a creative and humorous rant, based on clear and convincing evidence, of how stupid and evil the anti-gun people are. This was considerable muted on the humor and rant with moderate muting of the stupid and evil claims. This makes it a better handout to your grandmother and the gentle person next door as well as a work colleague.
That Bruen ruling is going to hurt us for decades to come. It’s going to be the excuse of every conservative Democrat who doesn’t want to pass common-sense gun laws.
Miranda Viscoli
Co-president of New Mexicans to Prevent Gun Violence
March 11, 2023
How This Supreme Court Ruling Is Already Affecting Gun Reform In A Blue State
Interesting title for the article. The Bruen decision is gun law reform.
Her pain is our gain. Of course, she could sell her tears for gun lube and have some gain of her own if she really wanted.
The incel vibes are strong with these screenshots.
Which makes sense because a “semiautomatic rifle” is a physical replacement for their limp, sad little “packages”.
MRDucks_CMEDBD_Wings? @MrDucks216
Tweeted on December 15, 2022
It’s not only another Markley’s Law Monday, it is another science denier!
Via In Chains @InChainsInJail who commented:
“Gun control” cultists have misogynistic dick jokes. We have Supreme Court rulings.
I would also like to point out that “gun control” cultists frequently, as in this case, believe they can read minds and/or know the character of people with little or no information about them. This is an indicator of a personality disorder.
Visa and Mastercard came to the correct conclusion. However, they shouldn’t just ‘pause’ their implementation of this plan—they should end it definitively.
Austin Knudsen
Montana Attorney General
March 9, 2023
Visa, Mastercard pause decision to track gun shop purchases
We are on a roll, but I hope you aren’t tired of winning yet because there is a LOT more to do.
Six people are reported dead:
Multiple people shot, some fatally, in Germany: Police
Multiple people were shot, some fatally, at a building used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in Hamburg, Germany, on Thursday evening, police said.
Several people were seriously injured in the shooting, said police, who initially described the location as a church.
As Barb sometimes says, “Why can’t people just be nice?” I think the answer is that there are evil people everywhere. It isn’t just a problem in the U.S. At least here we frequently have a chance of shooting back.
This is a security system set up in such a way as not to inconvenience gun buyers and sellers. There is no other security system that I’m aware of that is set up in this way. Think of it: the TSA was set up to prevent another 9/11. But the nature of that job requires putting people at some inconvenience.
David Chipman
March 5, 2023
FBI gun seizure orders from people who fail background checks hit historic rates
How about we think of it this way, if someone is too dangerous to be allowed possession of a gun or to board a plane, why are they allowed to be unescorted while in public spaces?
Or another way, why hasn’t Chipman been prosecuted yet?
If we were making a list of criminals infringing upon the rights of gun owners this police department would be in the top 10 on my list:
SAF Investigative Journalism Project
The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department has quietly tested every single recovered firearm – even those not used in the commission of crimes – without probable cause or a search warrant for as long as anyone at the department can recall, according to a story published recently by WISHTV.com.
Once the firearms were tested at the police department’s crime lab, the data was then sent to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which used it to create an illegal gun registry.
Police admit they never obtained search warrants to test the firearms. The testing was done as a matter of policy, whether the guns were used in crimes, held for safekeeping or recovered through other means.
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IMPD Assistant Police Chief Chris Bailey told reporters the practice started decades ago, and he confirmed that officers did not have probable cause or search warrants to conduct the tests.
“Not that we know of. We went back and checked how long this has been going on. A former employee who came on in 1973, and it was happening then in the 1970s, and she worked another 30 years here and retired a couple years ago,” Bailey told WISHTV.com. He added there are currently more than 21,000 firearms in IMPD’s property room.
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“Let’s say you’re in a crash and knocked out. There’s a gun in your console. The officer can’t send the gun on the gurney with you to the hospital, so they take your gun, your wallet and your cellphone and put it in a bag marked ‘safe’ for safekeeping. Once you’re released from the hospital, you can get your cell and your wallet, but not your gun. You’ll be told IMPD has to ‘process’ it. Keep in mind they would need a search warrant to search your cellphone. Once the gun is tested, ATF now has a ‘fingerprint’ of your gun. Then, ATF will conduct a trace of your firearm and they’ll get the 4473. Six months later, IMPD will tell you that you need to provide proof of ownership, so you’ll need to go to the gun store where you bought it. It can take us several days to dig out the paper receipt. Now, IMPD has three things that identify you as the owner of the firearm, but you still can’t get your gun. You need to make an appointment with the department, get
fingerprinted and they’ll run a background check. If you’re lucky, in a year or two they will hand your firearm back,” Burge said.
Burge said he asked department officials numerous times to justify the process.
“If a laptop comes in, we can’t just turn it on without a search warrant. What gives them the right to ‘turn on’ a firearm?” he asked. “The average handgun people carry costs around $500. When they get the runaround from the city and go talk to an attorney for help – and attorneys don’t work for free – they’ll find out it could cost them around $10,000 to get back a $500 handgun. Most don’t. We’re talking about thousands of people who have been victimized.”
Someday I hope to enjoy their trial.
See also Indianapolis Police have secretly funneled firearm data to ATF for more than 50 years.
Nice!
Modified gun magazine within the law
With the city of Columbus banning 30-round gun magazines, LEPD Firearms & Range owner Eric Delbert holds a modified magazine that holds 29 rounds and the plastic single shot limiter that keeps it within the law in Columbus.
This should hold the forces of evil away for a little while. While it probably isn’t going to be long enough for the courts to slap the city of Columbus down. Cities can respond pretty fast on creating new laws and the courts move very slow. But ultimately the courts will put them in their place. I hope that includes forcing the city pay for the plaintiff’s legal bills.
Fuck the 2A, we are not in favor of “guns for everyone”, we are in favor of arming those groups who stand most to gain from the end of capitalism, and disarming those who stand in our way
Minnesota SRA @SRA_Minnesota
The Minnesota chapter of the Socialist Rifle Association
Tweeted on February 22, 2023
Also from them:
For Minnesota SRA @SRA_Minnesota, I’ve known violence is inherent in your kind for a long time. But not everyone believed it. Thanks for the confirmation.
For everyone else, Prepare appropriately.
They are an outlaw organization:
FBI worked secretly with hospitals to strip US citizens’ gun rights, documents show
The FBI coordinated secretly with hospitals and medical centers to strip U.S. citizens of their rights to own, buy, or even use firearms, according to a trove of internal documents obtained by the Washington Examiner.
Behind closed doors and without congressional approval, the FBI has worked hand in hand with the Secret Service and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to strip over two dozen people of their gun rights with internal forms, records show. On the heels of this revelation by the Washington Examiner in December 2022, newly obtained documents and emails shed light on how the bureau apparently received a helping hand from medical facilities to waive gun rights from at least five people.
It is long past time for people to be prosecuted for this crap.
Illinois judge rules state’s gun ban and registry unconstitutional
An Illinois judge declared the state’s gun ban and registry law unconstitutional on Friday.
The ruling by Macon County Judge Rodney Forbes means the law, signed by Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker in January, cannot be enforced and is now awaiting an appeal to the Illinois Supreme Court.
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Pritzker signed the assault-style weapons ban on Jan. 10 after being passed in both the state Senate and House. The bill banned the sale, delivery, and purchase of so-called ” assault weapons,” as defined by the bill, which categorizes more than 100 different types of rifles, shotguns, and pistols to be banned, and anyone with these types of weapons would be required to register them by Jan. 1, 2024.
Another one bites the dust.
You know what this means, right?
If we had gun registration, if we were able to track purchases, they have a technology that every bullet could be stamped like a fingerprint, if we had an ATF that wasn’t defunded, we would be able to enforce gun laws more effectively and we would be able to solve gun crimes more effectively.
Jon Stewart
March 3, 2023
Jon Stewart Brutally Confronts Republican Lawmaker Over Gun Deaths
“If”.
The object of the first two “if” statements is false and will continue to be false for a long time in the future, if not for a century or more. And I can see a plausible future where the ATF is, at least, not just underfunded, from Stewarts view, but stripped of the letter ‘A’ in its name.
And how many crimes have been solved using gun registration in Hawaii or Canada?* The numbers I have heard have been zero and one. So, what color is the sky in Stewarts universe?
Or, a better question, what is the nature of his evil intent? The only reason for gun registration is confiscation.
However the best question is, will he continue to waste oxygen on this and related topics after judges strike down any law that hint at registration. We already have a gun serial number law struck down. How does Stewart think registration is possible with no serial numbers?
* Gun Violence Research, GVPedia, claims it is MYTH: Firearm registries never helped solve a crime. But it is very telling they dance around the question without ever answering it affirmatively:
Hawai’i is the only state that requires all firearms to be registered and consistently has the lowest or second lowest gun death rate in the country. In a March 15, 2021 letter to GVPedia, Hawai’i Police Department Chief Paul K. Ferreira wrote, “In response to your inquiry about whether the firearms registration process in Hawai’i County has been used to solve crimes or has resulted in prosecutions, firearm ownership or transfer information can lead to evidence that is vital to the prosecution of a crime.
“Firearms checks are used on a daily basis to confirm ownership of firearms recovered during the execution of search warrants, of firearms routinely found in the possession of suspects who are wanted for crimes, and firearms located within vehicles during traffic stops. Having the ability to access a person’s firearms information prior to arriving at a domestic violence type call can provide vital information for threat assessment and officer safety. Being able to verify the ownership of a firearm or where it has been transferred to have led to multiple calls for service being solved to include burglaries, theft and violent crimes.”
In a February 24, 2021 email to GVPedia, the Criminal Justice Division of the Department of the Attorney General of Hawaii wrote, “Hawaii requires a person seeking to purchase or acquire a firearm to apply for a permit from the police chief to ensure that the person acquiring a firearm in Hawaii is qualified to possess the firearm. In addition to obtaining a permit, Hawaii mandates the registration of all firearms purchased or acquired in Hawaii, transported into Hawaii, assembled from parts, or transferred from one person to another. As an added safeguard, Hawaii requires owners to report when a firearm is removed permanently from the State. This comprehensive system creates a record of the transaction(s) transferring ownership of the firearm, whether it be a pistol or revolver, or rifle or shotgun. The law also requires the transferor to verify that the recipient has obtained a permit to acquire a firearm, and, also to verify and record the identity of the recipient. Each county police department maintains its records of firearm transactions for its respective county, and all county police departments have statewide access to firearm information.
“Hawaii’s firearm permit and registration system provides information to law enforcement agencies and the courts that assist in solving crimes and promoting public safety. By requiring each transfer of ownership to be documented, the county police departments may be able to trace the ownership of a firearm involved in a crime. Firearm ownership or transfer information can lead to evidence that is vital to the prosecution of a crime.
“The courts routinely order that firearms are to be surrendered by persons who have been disqualified from ownership of firearms upon being charged with or convicted of felonies and certain misdemeanors, including domestic violence offenses. Also, a restraining or protective order, particularly a domestic violence protective order or gun violence protective order, will prohibit the possession of firearms. Law enforcement officers serving the protective order can verify whether the person being served owns firearms and account for its surrender. Additionally, when law enforcement serves warrants or execute evictions, the firearm registry can provide vital information for threat assessment and officer safety.”
