Quote of the day—Keith Powers @KeithPowersNYC

We owe every New Yorker a promise of a gun free city.

Right now, we are failing at this mission.

I am ready to work with any leader that believes — like I do — that the presence of illegal or legal guns is an existential threat to the safety of others.

Keith Powers @KeithPowersNYC
Majority Leader – NYC Council
Representing Manhattan’s East Side
Tweeted on January 21, 2021
[There are no illegal guns. There are only illegal politicians.

Enjoy your trial Mr. Powers.

Don’t ever let anyone tell you no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jake Fogleman

According to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). They said Canadians had only turned in 160 of the recently-outlawed firearms for destruction since the announcement of the ban.

The buyback scheme is the result of a May 2020 regulation from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau banning 1,500 “assault weapons” by make and model. It was enacted in response to a high-profile mass shooting in Nova Scotia, in which a gunman used illegally-obtained weapons to murder 22 people.

The ban provided a two-year amnesty period from its announcement for gun owners to comply but prohibited them from using any weapon affected by the ban going forward. The government estimates that approximately 72,000 gun owners and 105,000 firearms are affected by the policy.

Jake Fogleman
Canadians Aren’t Turning in Their Guns
December 28, 2021
[I know some people affected by this. We I talked about this before it was certain and they were quite concerned. I made a few suggestions but they were noncommittal as to what action they are going to take. I’m hoping to see them face to face sometime soon so I can get an update.

We live in interesting times.—Joe]

Quote of the day—spectacles_gaze

Use firearms to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat, and then disarm the populace. Keep a standing military to prevent foreign meddling.

spectacles_gaze
December 19, 2021
Reddit comment in r/socialism Thoughts on gun control.
[I think that says almost all you need to know about their views. It’s also consistent with other socialist/communist governments.

Prepare appropriately.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Kimberly Skipper @kdskipper

We have too many high powered weapon. It’s not that hard. All guns are a potential problem in this country, but there’s too many out there to recall them now. However, high powered guns can be a start for tying to get a handle on the gun violence problem affecting America.

Kimberly Skipper @kdskipper
Tweeted on December 19, 2021
[If ignorance really is bliss then Ms. Skipper must be in a state of ecstasy.

If not, then instead of ignorance, perhaps it’s deliberate lies.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Mary Anne Franks

The Second Amendment’s idiosyncratic and anachronistic focus on militias and “arms” degrades the concept of self-defense. The right to safeguard one’s life should not be conflated with or reduced to the right to use a weapon, especially a weapon that is so much more likely to inflict injury and death than to avoid it. Far better would be an amendment that guarantees a meaningful right to bodily autonomy and obligates the government to implement reasonable measures to protect public health and safety:

All people have the right to bodily autonomy consistent with the right of other people to the same, including the right to defend themselves against unlawful force and the right of self-determination in reproductive matters. The government shall take reasonable measures to protect the health and safety of the public as a whole.

Mary Anne Franks
December 2021
REDO THE FIRST TWO AMENDMENTS
[This law professor simply has no concept of governments being the greatest threat and the primary reason for the 2nd Amendment as written.

Collectivists must collectivize.

The answer is, “No. Your move Ms. Franks.”—Joe]

The mind of an anti-gun advocate (@Pigdowndog)

See also A process failure aka Peterson Syndrome and truth and falsity for more glimpses inside their minds.

From the comments to Quote of the day—Pigdowndog @Pigdowndog. Please be cautious in extrapolating these results to other people, especially if they come from a different country and/or demographic.

My quick look for more information on Pigdowndog resulted in moderate confidence he is in the range of 75 to 85 years old, lived a number of years in southern France, and I have high confidence he currently lives Southwest of London.

In my initial QOTD post, I said “Simple logic for simple minds.” I way over estimated his ability to think logically. Sorry about that. But he arrived on scene and didn’t take long to correct my error. Here is the evidence:

pkoning on October 18, 2021 at 6:42 am said:

You mean the UK, where a defenseless MP was murdered just days ago by a knife wielding religious fanatic?

Toastrider on October 18, 2021 at 6:50 am said:

And that’s with knife control in England.

Lulz.

Pigdowndog on October 23, 2021 at 3:09 am said:

There is no knife control in the UK apart from an age limit to buying them which is wholly sensible.

You’re right about the murder of an M.P. being tragic but that doesn’t mean that he should have been armed.

Even if he was do you think he would have had a chance to reach for the gun before the knife struck?

It’s real life, not Hollywood.

Thankfully those horrendous events are rare over here unlike over there.

Joe on October 23, 2021 at 10:01 am said:

I still would like to know what color the sky is in your universe. It’s very clear we do not live in the same reality. In my universe U.K. law states:

The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

Basic laws on knives
It’s illegal to possess a banned knife or weapon. It’s also illegal to:

bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give someone a banned knife or weapon
carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long
sell a knife to anyone under the age of 18, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long

The list of banned knives is long and includes batons and blowpipes.

Pigdowndog on October 24, 2021 at 2:44 am said:

You conveniently left out;
“carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long”
“use any knife in a threatening way”
“Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason.”
All sensible sanctions as our knife crime is far too prevalent.
Your gun crime also is far too prevalent but your government just turns a blind eye to the consequences of allowing anyone to possess a killing machine.
I’m more than happy that we have protections in place that attempt to solve the problem rather than allow the carnage to carry on regardless of the outcome.

At first I was a bit perplexed. Is this someone suffering from Alzheimer’s and can’t remember what they said just the day before? It could be. But we’ve seen inability to follow logic or respond logically from Joan Peterson who I doubt was at the age where Alzheimer was a likely explanation.

After thinking about it some I am more inclined to believe they are not suffering from Alzheimer’s or other dementia. If that were the case I think the clues would show up in his twitter posts.

The weird inability to think logically and conform their claims to the hard reality is common in anti-gun people. Many of them simply do not accept reality. How else do you explain this?

Yesterday morning he claimed, “

There is no knife control in the UK apart from an age limit to buying them…

After I linked to and quote U.K. listing numerous knife regulations on the carry of knives and the bans of many common knives he came back less than 24 hours later and said I had “conveniently left out” further knife regulations. What? There is no knife control but when I don’t list all the knife laws he claims some sort victory by adding to the list of controls that supposedly don’t exist?

He then doubles down on the contradictions. Yesterday, referring to a stabbing, he said:

Thankfully those horrendous events are rare over here…

This morning he claims:

our knife crime is far too prevalent

There are other things I could point out but this should be more than sufficient to draw the appropriate conclusion.

These are symptoms of someone with mental problems. It may not be dementia but things between the ears are not in working order. It’s almost certainly Peterson Syndrome.

Quote of the day—Pigdowndog @Pigdowndog

The “you” was generic. If anyone thinks they need a gun for ordinary daily living then that’s the very definition of paranoia. You’re wrong, I don’t want to ban a specific type of rifle, I want all guns banned for the general public. Fewer guns, fewer gun incidents. Simple logic

Pigdowndog @Pigdowndog
Tweeted on October 10, 2021
[Simple logic for simple minds. Logic only gives you correct results if you have the appropriate data.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—David Frum

You want to be a protective spouse, a concerned parent, a good citizen, a patriotic American? Save your family and your community from danger by getting rid of your weapons, and especially your handguns. Don’t wait for the law. Do it yourself; do it now. Do it because you just bought your first home, do it because you just got married, do it because you just had the baby you cherish more than anything in this world. The gun you trust against your fears is itself the thing you should fear. The gun is a lie.

As more Americans recognize the lie, they may notice a powerful new possibility. Once emancipated from the false myth of the home-protecting gun, they will find it easier to write laws and adopt policies to stop the criminals and zealots who carry guns into the streets. Win enough elections, and the federal courts will retreat from their sudden gun advocacy—and return to their historic deference to state regulation of firearms.

David Frum
September 1, 2021
How to Persuade Americans to Give Up Their Guns
[Frum needs to review the 2nd Amendment and the Heller decision.

Then he needs to read some books on the risk of not owning firearms and the ethics of restricting firearms ownership. I would like to suggest:

Then, if he is still in the persuasive mood, I’d be glad to introduce him to the power of the word “No.” backed up by 100 million determined gun owners with their own means of persuasion.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Taliban

We understand people kept weapons for personal safety. They can now feel safe. We are not here to harm innocent civilians.

Taliban
August 16, 2021
Taliban in Afghan capital Kabul start collecting weapons from civilians
[That is so reassuring. They have me totally convinced to give them my ammo and guns. Have them stop by my house some time and I’ll let them have it.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Aaron P. Tutt @aaronptutt

Every gun owner wants to kill. That is the only reason to own a gun. Going to the range is just killing practice. There are other ways to keep yourself safe. The only purpose of a gun is murder.

Aaron P. Tutt @aaronptutt
Tweeted on Jun 29, 2021
[So… what do you suppose one should do with people that want to kill, practice killing, and have tools which have murder as their only purpose? I think Mr. Tutt has a pretty clear idea of what he thinks should be done with us.

The belief that one can read the mind of others is frequently the sign of a personality disorder. This typically is restricted to someone well known to them.

That Tutt claims to know want 100’s of millions of people think is an indication he is completely bonkers or is deliberately trolling.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Toni Wellen

I have friends who own AR-15 rifles; they enjoy shooting them at target practice for sport and fervently defend their right to own them. But I cannot accept that their right to enjoy their hobby supersedes my right to send my own children to school, a movie theater, or a concert and to know that they are safe. Can the answer really be to subject our school children to active-shooter drills — to learn to hide under desks, turn off the lights, lock the door, and be silent — instead of addressing the root cause of the problem and passing legislation to take AR-15-style weapons out of the hands of civilians?

active-liberty-drill-cagle

Toni Wellen
June 18, 2021
Why AR-15 Assault Weapons Must Be Banned
[So many errors in so few words:

  • It’s not a “right to enjoy a hobby”.
  • No one has a right to “know they are safe”.
  • The “root cause of the problem” is not the existence of firearms. It is evil people with a desire and willingness to commit evil acts.
  • “Passing legislation” does not take guns out of the hands of civilians. Men with guns take guns out of the hands of civilians.

Lessons to be learned, at least in regards to the useful idiots, does not apply to all:

  • Anti-gun people are not fully connected with reality.
  • They think of gun ownership, at best, as a hobby.
  • They think gun owners value their “hobby” more than the lives of children.
  • They do not understand rights.
  • Rather than people, they believe inanimate objects are an agent of cause and crime.
  • They believe “passing legislation” can fix human problems when it is actually human action (or acts of nature/god) which fix human problems.
  • Never let anyone get away with telling you, “No one wants to take your guns.”

There are none so blind as those who will not see.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Benobos @BenGreggTang

Ban all semi-automatic firearms with removable magazines or internal magazines greater than 10 rounds.

Benobos @BenGreggTang
Tweeted on May 20, 2021
[The tweet is now deleted or at least hidden. I have to wonder why. Did he change his mind or just didn’t want to confront reality?

Regardless of the reason don’t ever let anyone get away with saying “No one wants to take your guns.”—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jonathan Evans @MrJonathanEvans

Every #2A fuck who won’t acknowledge that the guns are the problem is complicit in a culture that forces parents and kids and partners and friends to live in fear. So just to be clear: fuck those horrible fucks

Jonathan Evans @MrJonathanEvans
Tweeted on May 9, 2021
[He sounds nice.

Well, actually, he sounds ignorant and/or evil.

Thanks for being clear Mr. Evans. I expect someone will now put you on their “naughty” list.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Take All The Guns @GunzTake

Yes. I am the one honest voice in the gun control community.

We are coming for your guns. First the assault weapons, then the saturday night specials (pistols), then the high powered sniper rifles and street sweepers (bolt guns and shotguns).

We are coming, we are legion.

Take All The Guns @GunzTake
Tweeted on March 16, 2021
[Via a private post on Facebook by Jonathan S.

I can believe everything except the last sentence. He is not going to be taking guns from anyone and they don’t have a legion of people willing to do the taking.

I do appreciate the majority of his tweet was honest and accurate though. That is rare among anti-gun people. Which, of course, makes me suspicious that they aren’t really an anti-gun person. Or, if they are, they are just a troll.

See also here.

Do not ever let anyone get away with telling you, “No one wants to take your guns.”—Joe]

Fantasy

From Take All The Guns @GunzTake:

Gun violence is an epidemic rivaled only by COVID-19 in our time. As we are taking progressive steps to eliminate COVID, so we should also work to eliminate guns in America. I have a plan that could result in a gun free America within a generation.

1. Congress must add several Supreme Court justices to undo the harmful and immoral work done by the Trump administration
2. Pass a bill to add all existing firearms to the NFA Registry and give a refundable tax credit to offset registration fees. Close the registry after the initial 90 day registration period.
3. Pass a bill revoking Federal Firearms Licenses in interstate commerce. Authorize the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives to build a database of all gun purchases in the past 20 years using the 4473s held by the closed FFLs.
4. Order the BATFE to begin a review of the existing NFA Registry and cross-reference the known records. Use the resources of the BATFE and FBI to track down any inaccurate records.
5. Work with the major banks and credit card companies to purchase records pertaining to the private purchases of firearms to correlate with the 4473s as in step 4.
6. Once a suitable period has passed to allow inconsistent records to be reconciled, use a combination of civil and criminal sanctions to encourage those who are illegally holding unregistered guns to turn them in. This can include: using bank KYC rules to restrict their financial transactions, use the no-fly list to prevent interstate and international travel, use e-verify to prevent employment and use the social security database to contact existing employers.

Thus the vast majority of firearms in private hands will be known and restricted within several months, the stragglers will be dealt with within several years, and within a generation guns will be out of private hands without repealing the Second Amendment or causing a large scale violent conflict.

As it violates much of the Bill of Rights and various other parts of the U.S. Constitution that would have be quite the court packing to pass muster. And that would be the easy part. Persuading law enforcement, even the ATF and FBI, banking, and airlines, to go along with it would be “interesting” as well.

And if I where him, I would not concern myself with “large scale violent conflict”. Someone at Twitter with sufficiently high access privileges would be “persuaded” to reveal sufficient information to track him down in less than a month and expose him to “small scale violent conflict”.

I suspect the guy is just a troll. But it almost for certain is an entertaining fantasy for some people.

Quote of the day—Colion Noir

You know, I find it ironic that in one breath you say no one needs an “assault weapon” as if that’s the most powerful gun in the world. But then in another breath you say people need more than an “assault weapon” to fight against a tyrannical government. Hell! Sounds like we need more than an assault weapon. Considering the whole point of the Second Amendment was to put the people in the best position to check their government.

Colion Noir
August 7, 2019
Joe Biden Admits He Wants to Confiscate Guns “BINGO”
[It’s interesting listening to Biden. He contradicts himself from sentence to sentence.

One could claim he is senile and does not recognize what he is saying is nonsensical. I suspect it’s something far less benign.

I suspect it is that he lies so frequently, and gets away with it so often, that his brain does not bother to check for consistency. Truth telling is all about being consistent with oneself and reality. Biden appears to be incapable of either.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Mike Thompson

This bill is a critical step toward preventing gun violence and saving lives.

Mike Thompson
U.S. Representative (D-California)
March 11, 2021
House Approves Measures to Expand Firearm Background Checks
[I’m tempted to say this is an outright lie and the Thompson knows better. Surely he knows the history of his own state and background checks which were found to have no effect on death by gunshot.

But it’s also possible to parse his words carefully and claim he is only being deceptive rather than a bald-face liar.

He could be aware and planning to take advantage of the only “accomplishment” of universal background checks for the transfer of firearms, gun registration, followed by confiscation. Then with far fewer guns in the general population there will probably be fewer people suffering gunshot wounds.

This wouldn’t mean the general population would be safer. It just means the mechanism by which they are injured by common criminals would change. Instead of bullet wounds it would be knives, blunt instruments, fists, and feet which dominate the injuries.

The total number of dead would likely would increase as well, but the lives saved would be those of the criminal class. And this criminal class would include the genocidal politicians as well as the common street thugs.

So, Representative Thompson, which is it? Are you a bald-faced liar, or you on the side of the criminals?

My vote is for both and I hope he has the opportunity to enjoy his trial.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Lauren Boebert @laurenboebert

Biden wants gun manufacturers held liable for shootings.

Watch out Oneida, they’re coming after you and your kitchen knives next.

Lauren Boebert @laurenboebert
Tweeted on February 14, 2021
[If you think this is ridiculous, or even exaggerated then you haven’t been paying attention to the U.K.

—Joe]