Markley’s Law, ignorance, hate, and violence

Somehow I don’t think this is the most effective way to convince people of their righteous. It just makes people laugh.

The following is brought you by David Hale on Facebook:

Listen brianless, I live nine miles from Newtown; those could have been my two sons with their brains blasted out because some nitwit mother thought it would be cool to teach her mental ill son how to shoot an automatic weapon. Had Adam Lanza NOT had access to his AR, would he still have shown with smaller caliber weapons? Possibly, but most likely SOME of those first graders would have survived. But you and your sick friends don;t give a shit about that; all you care about is how hard your dick gets when you drive your BMW to the range to shoot you “big boy” weapons. Amazing how none of you brave sons of bitches volunteers to fight in a real war. Take your perceived (and incorrect) right and stick it up your ass! We ARE coming for your fucking guns!

And this:

No, Dickhead I refuse to acknowledge your word for word talking points as you have been pathologically programmed to spout by that criminal Wayne LaPierre and his whores for the gun industry. You will never acknowledge that people would be alive today if weapons of mass destruction for use by the military to kill large amounts of people in as little time as possible were not allowed in the hands of amateurs. But agin, that’s because you and your little group of gun lovers (emphasis on the word lovers since you need them to get it up) have no sense of decency, are hugely narcissistic and probably would stand up for your rights to target shoot even if some maniac pumped a dozen rounds into your own child. Sick, sick, sick.

And this:

Giggle? Glad on this date you find this all so funny, you sick fuck. Sorry to disturb you … go back to jerking off on your weapons dickhead.

And then on to the violence:

And before I delete you from my page, let me reiterate … with the Governor and two US Senators leading the way, Connecticut IS coming for you guns dickhead. Hopefully we will pry them from your cold, dead hands.

We have facts and SCOTUS decisions on our side. They have Markley’s Law, ignorance, hate, and threats of violence. It’s the best they can come up with.

Quote of the day—43north

1) NO handguns.  Handgun Control Inc., became the Brady Campaign.

2) NO rifles, and no hunting, as that’s the well-worn excuse for having the damned things.
People get their food from the grocery store, not the open range.  The danger of these guns, which can all be traced to some current or long-ago military arm, is too great.  Become a vegan, all animal-sourced foods are cruel.

3) NO shotguns. 
The FBI crime lab can’t do a “ballistic fingerprint” of a shotgun.  They’re outlawed by the Geneva Convention for use in war.  They contribute lead contamination and undermine threatened and endangered species preservation efforts.

43north
July 23, 2012
Comment to The NRA claims 4.3 million members. The Brady Campaign might have under 29,000.
[Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns. ALL your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Phoebe Maltz Bovy

Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police. Not just because of San Bernardino, or whichever mass shooting may pop up next, but also not not because of those. Don’t sort the population into those who might do something evil or foolish or self-destructive with a gun and those who surely will not. As if this could be known—as if it could be assessed without massively violating civil liberties and stigmatizing the mentally ill. Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.

Phoebe Maltz Bovy
December 10, 2015
It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
[Via email from Barron.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you than no one wants to take your guns.

There is no political hope for these anti-gun people to accomplish their goals. There is no culture support for their goals. In fact it is just the opposite. Support for the right to keep and bear arms has not been stronger in decades and these people know that. When certain conditions are all met people who are absolutely, without any doubt, proven wrong their reaction is to increase proselyting their failed beliefs. Those conditions have been met and we are now seeing that increased proselyting. Read the book.

See also my other posts on this topic.—Joe]

Here’s their plan

If anyone ever tells you “no one wants to take your guns” you can just point them at the NYT or any number of other people that have some vague thought of “ban guns” without any thought given to how that might actually be carried out. And we, rightly so, claim they don’t understand what would be involved in such an effort.

Here is someone who as thought it through a bit more. And note that they envisioned Act II Step 1 as happening today, December 11, 2015:

What has to go?
All magazine fed, self-loading firearms.
Yes, that means handguns too.
Yes, that includes your 4 shot Remington hunting rifle.

Act I Step 1:
The POTUS issues a EO, commanding the BATFE to “audit dealer records” – ie, look for “strawman sales” by reviewing each of the dealers Form 4473 records.
This is actually easier if the dealer has adopted the eForm 4473

For handwritten forms, an OCR scanner would be carried, the form scanned, and information corrected on a laptop prior to the next scan.

What can’t be done? Is hold a news conference.
It can’t be done by BATFE Agents alone, as this demands too many bodies in too many locations, at the very same time.

We as a nation, will have to let a few things slide, while various agencies supply personnel to work with BATFE Agents.
Yes, a same day, nationwide “I’m here to review your records”.  Close every single gun seller that day, days, or week(s) until the audit is complete.  Sold a hundred guns in your entire existence? We’ll be gone by 4pm today.  Sell a hundred per day?  You can re-open after the end of the year.
It’ll put you out of business?  Impact hunting season and holiday sales? (Which next to DiFi’s failed AWB II is the most money you make in a year?)  That’s sad.
CLOSED… can read GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
We score that as a win… you and your fellow death merchants can retrain as Baristas.

So, now we have ALL the records scanned… and a comprehensive list of who purchased what gun where.  Those are sorted for make and model.

Shotguns.
Semi-auto shotguns.

Rifles.
Semi-auto rifles.

Rimfire rifles.
Semi-auto rimfire rifles.

Handguns.
Semi-auto handguns.

(save ALL of this data for later)

Step 2: permit the dealers to reopen – however, now the eForm 4473 is 100% required,
and in a slight tweak, batch processing is done once a week, where the forms are uploaded “to the cloud”.
(as-if ‘the cloud’ isn’t on those servers already)

Step 3: Prioritize you list.

Act II Step 1:

Strike a deal with the Republicans.  For public consumption, word it as ambiguously as possible… as was the ACA (just pass it and we’ll find out what’s in it) and stuff it into the next Continuing Resolution.

On this 11th day of December, 2015 this 114th Congress does hereby resolve to instruct the Department of Justice to audit all Federally Licensed Firearm retailers for compliance with 18 USC as condition of their license, and direct all necessary resources to do same.  The Director of the BATFE, the Attorney General of the United States, and the Director of Homeland Security may adopt policies and procedures necessary to effect this Congressional mandate.

About those Republicans:
First, they’re really not that happy with massive civilian gun ownership, they just like the cash from the pro-gun crowd.
BREAKING NEWS!!
They like the cash from Wall Street, and Corporate America better.

Give Congress the choice between:
a) massive controls on financial transactions, killing their benefactor’s proven-risk derivative market
– or –
b) massive (armed) civil unrest when we pull a Greece and shove a total economic collapse onto the American taxpayer?
Rationed water, electric, heat, food and fuel and a 65% tax on your income.

Everyone other than a Tea Party Republican will choose to eliminate the risk of option b.
The motion will pass.

There’s going to be a political quid pro quo. I’d hang my hat on “illegal immigrants” taking it in the neck. How and why, is below.

Step 2:
Federalize (“second”) the National Guard of the respective states.  Just as we could send them to war in Iraq, we can deploy them as deputized federal agents. One BATFE agent to 3 or 4 guardsmen.

Step 3:
Go door-to-door with your list of gun purchasers, and get access to the guns.  A massive VIPR-like sweep.
No gun? Where is it?
Who has it? Where’s the paperwork?  No gun, no paperwork?
You’re coming with us… the weather in Cuba is fine.
Sadly, it appears the nationwide cell phone network is down, unless you’re using a government contract cell phone.
Yes, surprise is key.
Oh, by the way… you have ID don’t you?  Born here?  Let’s run that ID.
So… you’re here on a visa, that expired in 2003.
You’re coming with us, the weather in Minot, North Dakota is fine.

There’s your required quid pro quo to the Republicans.

Step 4:
Anticipate the Federal Court Injunctions.
Injunctions which are enforced by… the DOJ and US Marshals.
Who are preoccupied in carrying out the mandate of Congress.
You’ve reached the DOJ, leave a message at the beep.

Step 5:
Mistakes happen.
Somewhere in the process, an “honest mistake” happened.

Knock, view, verify and record the presence of the named firearm in the possession of the named owner – or find out who has that firearm – was misinterpreted.

Knock, bash-in the door, verify the presence of, and confiscate the named firearm – became the process.

Rules of Engagement were defined as: “take no incoming fire – lethal means authorized”.
A few “rogue operators” decided that if it looked sketchy, breach the door after the flash-bang grenades, and engage anyone seen with a firearm in proximity using lethal force.

Step 6:
The number of confiscated firearms becomes a problem.  National Guard units are directed to turn the contraband over to Active Duty Military Police.  Certain weapons may be re-purposed by the government, exported to allies, used by agencies, or stripped for parts.

Light alloys are put into a grinder, steel and stainless steel are cut with a plasma torch to render  non-salvageable (prevents theft in transit), then taken to a smelter to be melted down.

Step 7:
The higher Federal Courts, and perhaps the SCOTUS weigh in.

Answer A: “It’s gotten out of hand, and we can’t reach all of the field units… your order to cease is understood and complied with at the Executive Level.  The logistical issues however, preclude prompt compliance in the field. The majority of units are out of contact, operating independently beyond range of communications.”

Answer B:
Arrest those Judges.  What part of Congressional Mandate didn’t you understand?

There’s going to be some issue, with a few mouthy Governors complaining about “…patent misuse of the Guard, violation of the Constit…” Yep.
We’re sorry, the Governor’s new conference has encountered technical difficulties.
To Jamie, and Sports!

It’s amazing what a FBI Agent can do for video production: “Cut the feed, NOW. Otherwise? You’re coming with me, the weather in Cuba is fine.”

The prevention of an armed civil insurrection requires a total lockdown on the ability to communicate.  The NSA knows this. Anyone studying the Arab Spring knows this.

The email servers of the various pro-gun groups “appear to have sustained a prolonged DoS attack by some overseas entity in Asia“.

Facebook decided that a new version of their photo and written content filter was worth Beta testing, and all gun-related images and commentary ceased to be shown.
Yes, the “nipple filter” took down the gun fetishists.

There is a lot more. But the bottom line is this is not someone who has some vague vision of rainbow farting unicorns carrying away all the guns being turned in for destruction and everyone living happily ever after.This is someone envisioning bypassing legal restraints, separation of powers, and with the complete disregard for the Bill of Rights imprisons or murders whoever stands in their way.

Of course they are still totally delusional about how that would turn out. They didn’t look at the numbers. I have. Out of nearly 11,000 posts here it’s the post popular post ever.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that people wanting to take your guns are just spouting off or political grandstanding.

Quote of the day—Amitai Etzioni

Given that even micro gun control measures will be effectively blocked by the NRA and its allies, and that promoting mini measures as potentially effective is misleading, progressives may as well go for the big enchilada: Call for domestic disarmament.

One may say that the Supreme Court, after 250 years in which the Second Amendment was read as allowing only a well-regulated militia to have guns, recently reinterpreted it to mean that there is an individualized right to own guns. This suggests that we may have to get to domestic disarmament through the back door.

Make the gun manufacturers liable for harm done with their products. Ban the sale of ammunition. And vote for a president that will add to the Supreme Court those who will read the Second Amendment as written.

Above all, domestic disarmament is a true, compelling vision which cannot be said about the small gun control measures that are currently promoted by some of the most enlightened people among us.

Amitai Etzioni
December 7, 2015
Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not ‘Gun Control’
[It’s amusing that someone so ignorant and naïve talks about knowing who is “enlightened”.

All nine SCOTUS justices agreed the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right. He thinks its plausible to replace five or more of them with people that will reverse that and ignore all the evidence going back hundreds of years? And then once you have a court that will allow such laws to stand does he can get the votes in congress?

And does he think making gun manufactures liable is going to pass muster in congress or the courts? We currently have a law specifically protecting them from liability.

And banning the sale of ammunition? That’s not only legally problematic but practically impossible. Recreational drugs are impossible to keep out of the hands of teenagers. Ammunition will be no different.

The most amusing is the part where he says “micro guns control measures will be effectively blocked” so they “may as well go for the big enchilada”? That’s like saying, “We can’t get away with robbing the local mini-mart so we might as well go for Fort Knox.

These people are apparently incapable of rational thought!

The one thing he has right is that he has a “compelling vision”. It’s compelling evidence that he is delusional and well as bordering on criminal behavior.

And if you remember anything from this it is that you should never let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—NYT Editorial Board

Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

NYT Editorial Board
December 4, 2015
End the Gun Epidemic in America
[Peter O suggests:

The NYT just published a front-page editorial (The first since 1920!) Advocating for the banning and confiscating of firearms.

You might just be able to drop the topic finally. 😉

The topic being “Don’t let anyone tell you they want to take your guns.” But that assumes there are enough people reading the New York Times for the word to get around.

My take on this editorial is this will further reduce their readership. More and more people realize that with the war with our current enemy for people to advocate gun control is an incredibly stupid idea. Even Chris Christie, who governs a state with incredible strict gun laws, called this editorial, “typical liberal claptrap from the New York Times”.

Yesterday Barb and I were at the range with a relatively new shooter and her husband. The check-in counter and gun store was packed with people. I supposedly had the training bay reserved for them but it was packed with a class. The range gave us a smaller bay and we got her shooting much better and far more comfortable with a gun. She is going to get a CPL.

My point is that rational people realize the answer to violent criminals is to respond with immediate protective violence and the best tool for that is a gun. People advocating removing the tools for delivering that immediate protective violence are being ignored and even anti-gun groups and President Obama recognize this:

President Barack Obama made a promise in October to use his bully pulpit to politicize gun control. But he hasn’t followed through — he hasn’t scheduled a single speech on the topic, instead simply reacting to shooting after mass shooting. And he’s stopped pushing for any real legislation with members of Congress.

Obama frequently repeats his promise to do something. But aides say he’s essentially given up on any significant gun control passing during his presidency.

…leaders of the groups grumble. They still get invited to intermittent brainstorming sessions at the White House where they hear talk about securing a legacy with some more moves, and then they wait as nothing real happens.

In a stopped clock is right twice a day type moment Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence President Dan Gross is right when he says:

We have seen over this past week how quickly an important social conversation can really change how we look at an issue.

The conversations I had at work, with friends wanting guns and training, and the packed gun ranges and stores over this past week we do see that, speaking literally, Gross is right. But not in the way he would like to believe. The anti-gun people are on a downward slope to oblivion and the NYT editorial is the shrieking as they approach the abyss.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Bob Doherty ‏@BobDohertyACP

#SanBernadino shooters reportedly used semi-automatic assault rifles, allowing them to kill so many, so quickly. Ban them, now! #gunsense

Bob Doherty ‏@BobDohertyACP
Tweeted December 2, 2015
[Via a tweet from Linoge.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—brookster1

Less guns means less shootings. End of story. No statistic can circumvent this simple formula. We need less guns.

brookster1
December 2, 2015 1:30 PM PST.
Comment to Active shooter reported in San Bernardino, Calif.; authorities say multiple victims, as many as three attackers
[“End of story.” I presume thins means discussion needed or allowed. Just so ou know, this means they would eliminate the First Amendment as well as the Second.

Don’t ever let someone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Lisa Subeck

Our nation has watched as community after community has had to confront the tragedies that occur when weapons designed to kill large numbers of people quickly get into the hands of a dangerous person. No Wisconsin community should ever have to face such a tragedy at the hands of someone armed with a semiautomatic assault weapon.

I can conceive of no legitimate reason that any citizen should need to own or use a semiautomatic assault weapon.

Lisa Subeck
State Representative, Democrat Wisconsin
Media release November 4, 2015.
[H/T to Barron for the email pointer.

I can think of many reasons why citizens should own and use the type of firearms she wishes to ban. And like a fish who doesn’t know what water is Ms. Subeck doesn’t have the imagination to recognized the most obvious reason. That is, the number one reason for owning and becoming skilled in the use of these type of firearms is to defend ourselves against people like her who are contemptuous of basic human rights.

In addition to the general stupidity of her media release her bill demonstrates she is clueless in many dimensions. Here, for example, is her description of the pistols to be banned from the proposed bill:

3.  A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and that has any of the following:
a.  A folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stock.
b.  A 2nd handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the nontrigger hand.
c.  The capacity to accept an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip.
d.  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
e.  A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel, and that permits the user to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being
burned.
f.  A manufactured weight of at least 50 ounces when the pistol is unloaded.

She has crap for brains and should be treated as such.

But the real lesson to remember from this is:

Under the bill, whoever transports, purchases, possesses, or transfers a semiautomatic assault weapon is guilty of a felony and may be fined up to $10,000, sentenced to a term of imprisonment of up to six years, or both.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Hillary Clinton

I was proud when my husband took [the National Rifle Association] on, and we were able to ban assault weapons… We’ve got to go after this. And here again, the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment. And I am going to make that case every chance I get.

Hillary Clinton
On or before October 1, 2015
[I find it very telling the Democrats are competing on who can have the most repressive gun control plans: Ranking The Democratic Candidates On Gun Control, Because There Are Actually Big Differences In Their Policies. These people are opening saying they want to ignore the Second Amendment. What if they were opening saying they were going to ignore the 13th Amendment? This is the party of the KKK and so it isn’t surprising they found another civil right they are opposed to when they lost that battle. They are courting the 21st Century version of KKK vote. This version doesn’t have the courage to personally face those they wish to victimize. They want the government to disarm us and do the victimizing for them.

See also Hillary Clinton to Receive Gun Control Award and Leaked Audio: Clinton Says Supreme Court Is ‘Wrong’ on Second Amendment.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Ron Lowe

Australia is a shining example of what can be done and how well gun control can work.

Ron Lowe
November 10, 2015
Reader input: Australia points the way on guns
[Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Mark Keefe

An Australian acquaintance was recently visiting the United States. This was a man who had served in the Royal Australian Regiment in Vietnam, and had never committed a crime in his life. And he recounted, one by one, his guns that were taken from him—which included some that had been in his family for generations—and he told me in no uncertain terms, “Don’t let them register your guns, Mate. Because once they do, they can come for them anytime they want.”

aussie_gun_claw

Mark Keefe
October 12, 2015
Keefe Report: “Don’t Let Them Register Your Guns, Mate”
[I have nothing more to say publically on this matter at this time.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Conor P. Williams @ConorPWilliams

Let me reiterate that I am ok with mass gun seizing. And a national handgun ban.

Conor P. Williams @ConorPWilliams
Tweeted on November 2, 2015
[Via a tweet from Robb Allen.

Mr. Williams, May you live in interesting times. Molon Labe.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Barbara LeSavoy

Firearm possession should be banned in America; President Obama can orchestrate this directive. His presidency can be remembered as a remarkable turn in United States history where a progressive leader forever changed the landscape under which we live and work. This is his legacy. To establish gun control laws in America that will reduce high levels of male violence and usher in a culture of peace and civility.

Barack Obama is the president of the United States. He can change the country. He can do it today. I believe in him.

Barbara LeSavoy
Director of Women and Gender Studies at The College at Brockport.
October 9, 2015
Obama’s legacy on guns should be to ban them
[One has to wonder how it is she determines truth from falsity. Does she believe men are incapable of violence against women without guns?

A firearm is the best tool to ensure she is not a victim of male violence. It is just the opposite of what she believes. It is guns which promote civility.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

SAFE act

The 2nd Circuit Court upheld the NY “SAFE Act 2013” last week. Bummer. They said that NY could ban certain arms, prohibit private transfers, etc. On the one hand, that really sucks for the people of NY, another in a long line of suckage. Oh, well, I don’t live there, and I’m never planning too. And it sets a circuit court precedent that specific guns can be banned. On the other hand, it was passed so fast, and is so broad, it’s likely to get appealed to the Supreme Court, and it’s also likely to get taken up.

High risk appeal. If we win, it’s big. If we lose, it’s HUGE.

Interesting times.

Quote of the day—bayo0786‏ @heyoyayo

@wallsofthecity Of course we want to take your guns.  And like every other liberal goal over the past 50 years, we will be successful.

bayo0786‏ @heyoyayo
Tweeted on October 22, 2015
[What this guy doesn’t understand is there are lines which must not be crossed.

What you need to understand is that you must never let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Mike Monteiro @Monteiro

We are going to take your guns and melt them into whatever fucked up weird machinery is used to harvest kale.

Mike Monteiro @Monteiro
Tweeted on October 20, 2015
[Molon labe Mike.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Gerald Lee Wolters

Now the Commander in Chief needs to make these laws Federal with an executive order. Full stop. One nation one policy. Australia y’all.

Gerald Lee Wolters
October 19, 2015
Comment to Federal Court Upholds Bulk Of Gun Control Laws Passed In Wake Of Newtown
[These people live in an alternate reality where they believe we are all subjects of a king or dictator.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Rev. John Buttrick

We need the president, Congress, governors, councils, legislators and citizens to discuss the options for creating a society where gun ownership is an exception not the norm.

∎ We can protect our homes with a network of good neighbor communications and an attitude of welcome to the stranger.

∎ We can learn to participate in and strengthen our democratic society as the way to prevent government from becoming oppressive. (No amount of home firepower can protect us today from a rogue government army in possession of assault weapons, rockets, tanks, drones and overwhelming air power).

∎ We can provide gun rentals at firing ranges for the sport of target shooting.

∎ We can re-evaluate the ethics of hunting for sport while permitting the use of basic rifles and shotguns for hunting food and for predatory animal control in rural settings.

∎ We can work for an economic system that is fair for all people, narrowing the gap between the wealthy and the poor.

∎ We can advocate against all forms of racism and cultural bias.

Gun legislation and/or constitutional amendments may be far in the future. But political, religious and social leaders and every citizen can begin to cultivate a climate that discourages gun possession.

Rev. John Buttrick
October 17, 2015
My Turn: The path to end gun violence
[He’s delusional and/or hopelessly naïve.

But the one thing you want to remember about this is that you should never let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Gun grabber dream

Via Sebastian and an email from Barron we have Josh Marshall demonstrating he has crap for brains as well as honesty:

We’re now actively debating things that no civilized country has ever even contemplated – the right to take a semi-automatic weapon into a family restaurant or shopping mall.

Nope. That debate was over years ago. We have concealed carry (theoretically, even if it is impractical in some cities or states) in the entire country. Since this guy clearly doesn’t know or care to know what he is talking about you can safely dismiss everything else he has to say except this:

yes, we really do want to take your guns. Maybe not all of them. But a lot of them.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.

Dear Josh,

Molon labe. I’ll be ready. Will you?

Your move.

Regards,

Joe