The Works

The History Channel recently started running a program entitled, “The Works”.  The host, Daniel Wilson, has a PHD in “Robotics”.  I didn’t know you could get a PHD in robotics, thus becoming what, a “roboticist” or a “robotologist”?  I’d have thought you’d need three degrees for that– mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, and computer science, but I’m just a layman.  For all I know, there are degree programs for “Vending Machine Technology” too, you know, for those who don’t quite feel up to the work load associated with a major in “Roboticism”.


He did an episode on guns, which was pretty good.  It did however show an image of Superman flying “faster than a speeding bullet”, and as per the cliché, Superman was shown flying right next to a fully assembled, metallic pistol cartridge.  I’m not sure how one is meant to propel an entire cartridge through the air at the velocity of a speeding pistol bullet (which the host correctly described as about a thousand feet per second) but I’m sure that where there’s a will, there’s a way, especially if you have a PHD in robotics.


Anyway, the program was interesting.  Though the host talked down to us a little more than required, IMO, I can forgive him– he’s young.  He obviously had a lot of fun with the various guns too, and wasn’t afraid to show it.


Check out “The Works” on THC if you have the time.  I think you’ll like it.  Oh and;


Congratulations, Dr. Wilson.  Keep up the good works.

Gun Nuts, Para weekend, the bet

Rob and I had a nice chat with Caleb and Bonnie on Gun Nuts at Blog Talk Radio last night.


We mostly talked about the Para sponsored weekend at Blackwater. But we touched on Boomershoot just a little bit too.


We did talk about the bet between Caleb and I about who is the better shooter and how that bet came about. We didn’t get the stakes of the bet nailed down but that may have been settled today in the comments of his post about our discussion last night. Rob and Bonnie have their own posts about last nights show too.


To answer the question that keeps coming up–the bet came about in the following email thread:



From: Say Uncle
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:40 AM
To: Sebastian; Ahab; Bitter Bitch; Deleted @progunprogressive.com; Joe Huffman
Subject: My dad can beat up your dad


 


http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2008/07/09/chicks-and-guns-17/#comment-203007


 


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:27 AM
To: Say Uncle; Sebastain; Aha’; Bitter Bitch; Deleted @progunprogressive.com
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Almost for certain he can.


 


My dad is almost 85 years old and not thinking too clearly anymore.


 


How about between the two of us we see who shoots the best at summer camp? Aren’t you the betting type?


 


J


 


-joe-



From: Say Uncle
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:36 AM
To: Joe Huffman
Cc: Sebastian; Ahab; Bitter Bitch; Deleted @progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


I am but I only bet on things in which I have a positive expectation. In this case, I’m guessing I don’t have such an expectation 😉

In fact, due to my recent lack of time at the range, I’ll put me at dead last!


From: Ahab
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:54 AM
To: Say Uncle; Joe Huffman; Sebastian; Bitter Bitch; Deleted @progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


I’ll take that bet, joe


 


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:02 AM
To: ‘Ahab’; ‘Say Uncle’; Sebastian; ‘Bitter Bitch’; Deleted @progunprogressive.com’
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Name your terms and I’ll think about it.


 


 


-joe-


 


From: Ahab
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:13 AM
To: Joe Huffman
Cc: Say Uncle; Sebastian; Bitter Bitch; Deleted @progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Six pack of the winner’s favorite beer?  Bottle of the winner’s favorite booze, not to exceed, oh, I don’t know…$30 bucks?


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:51 AM
To: ‘Ahab’
Cc: ‘Say Uncle’; Sebastian; ‘Bitter Bitch’; Deleted @progunprogressive.com’
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


The number of beers I have had in my lifetime can be counted on my fingers (base ten, not base two). Beyond that the last drink of alcohol I had was the glass of wine at the NRA convention dinner. That said, because of my sweet tooth there is no such thing as something “too sweet” and I like ice wine.


 


But more important to me is how are we going to determine the winner? And what sort of handicap are you giving me? I’m probably at least 20 years older than you. I’ve had a couple surgeries on my left knee and my right leg and foot is still swollen from the ATV that landed on it at Boomershoot 2008. I’m overweight and my eyes take minutes to change focus from front sight distance to target distance.


 


And what caliber gun did you select? I’m going to shooting a .45. If we do the contest at the end of the weekend after shooting 1500 rounds in the heat and humidity my old muscles, ligaments, and bones will have taken a lot more damage than someone much younger shooting a 9mm.


 


-joe-


 


From: Ahab
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:54 AM
To: Joe Huffman
Cc: Say Uncle; Sebastian; Bitter Bitch; Deleted @progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


I reckon determining the winner would be kind of challenging, and we would have to handicap because I picked the 9mm.

I don’t know, let’s turn it over to the posse to see if they have any ideas.  Well, everyone except for Robb, because his idea will involve jokes about sausage.


 


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:04 AM
To: ‘Ahab’
Cc: ‘Say Uncle’; Sebastian; ‘Bitter Bitch’; Deleted @progunprogressive.com’
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


How about an El Presidente? Score it according to USPSA rules and that would take into account the 9mm versus .45. It would also test a number of different skills including the draw, the reload, accuracy and speed.


 


And you are forgetting the handicap I should get for my age and infirmities. J


 


-joe-


 


From: Ahab
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:07 AM
To: Joe Huffman; Say Uncle; Sebastian; Bitter Bitch; Deleted@progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Yeah, but you’ve been shooting for a lot longer than me.


 


🙂


 


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:08 PM
To: ‘Ahab’
Cc: ‘Say Uncle’; Sebastian; ‘Bitter Bitch’; Deleted@progunprogressive.com’
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Ignoring a 100 rounds or so that I shot when I was living at home on the farm I have been shooting for about 15 years. Is that more than you?


 


Regardless, I might be willing to give up on getting that handicap if you agree to a shooting test that isn’t too taxing on my aging body.


 


So, what are your thoughts on the El Presidente? Or do you just want to wimp out entirely on a contest?


 


 


-joe-


 


From: Ahab
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:10 PM
To: Joe Huffman
Cc: Say Uncle; Sebastian; Bitter Bitch; Deleted@progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


I would shoot an El Presidente, that sounds good.  I’ve been shooting seriously since I was about 19, so that would give me 7 years, giving you a bit more experience.  Plus it’s been my personal observation that experience and treachery defeat youthful enthusiasm most of the time. 


 


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:20 PM
To: ‘Ahab’
Cc: ‘Say Uncle’; Sebastian; ‘Bitter Bitch’; Deleted@progunprogressive.com’
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Have you ever shot an El Presidente before? There’s not much treachery possible there.


 


-joe-


 


From: Ahab 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:26 PM
To: Joe Huffman
Cc: Say Uncle; Sebastian; Bitter Bitch; Deleted@progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Fair enough, I’ve only shot one el presidente in my time, so if you’ve shot 10 or 12 that would count under the “treachery” category.  🙂

But no, I am totally game for an El Pres as the deciding factor.


 


From: Sebastian
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:29 PM
To: Ahab
Cc: Joe Huffman; Say Uncle; Bitter Bitch; Deleted@progunprogressive.com
Subject: Re: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Sorry Caleb, but I’d put my money on Joe 😉


 


From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 12:49 PM
To: ‘Ahab’
Cc: ‘Say Uncle’; Sebastian; ‘Bitter Bitch’; Deleted@progunprogressive.com’
Subject: RE: My dad can beat up your dad


 


Ø  I am totally game for an El Pres as the deciding factor.


 


With all applicable USPSA rules applying (http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2008HandgunRulesindexed.pdf)?


 


-joe-


I can’t find any further email on it but I think it was in comments on some blog post we did agreed to the contest as being the USPSA El Presidente classifier with all USPSA rules applying. The stakes will probably end up being 250 rounds of 180 grain FMJ .40 S&W ammo. That’s higher stakes that I would really think are appropriate but we arrived at that after I suggested a case (typically 1000 rounds) was too much. [shrug] I can handle the pain of losing my first bet in 30 years and if Caleb is okay with taking that risk then I guess that settles it.


Just a couple more items of potential interest:




  1. You will notice Caleb (Ahab) said ” experience and treachery defeat youthful enthusiasm”. Which was a nice way of saying old age and treachery.


  2. Last night on the show I said I accepted the bet mostly because of his attitude. I have never seen him shoot (I have seen Say Uncle shoot and I’m pretty sure I can “take” him). I met Caleb last May and he had a slight attitude that was completely lacking in every shooter that I personal know and I know can beat me. Just a little too cocksure of himself. I explained this last night and in an email after the show he said, “that was the nicest way in which I’ve ever been called an arrogant bastard”. That’s me. Always the diplomat*.




* Diplomat: One skilled in the art of saying “Nice doggy” until he can find the right sized stick.

On the air

Well, not really “on the air” in the traditional sense.


Tomorrow night Rob Allen and I will be guests on http://blogtalkradio.com/gunnuts hosted by Caleb and Squeaky. The topic will be the Para sponsored training with Todd Jarrett at Blackwater this weekend. Caleb, Robb, and I (along with a bunch of others) will be participating. Caleb also wants to talk about our bet.


Listeners are welcome to call in so in addition to listening you should consider calling to tell me how silly it was of me to accept a shooting bet with someone I have never seen shoot.

Quote of the day–Squeaky Wheel

Blowing shit up with rifles?  Come ON!  A MESS OF AWESOME AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.  LITERALLY.


Squeaky Wheel
August 17, 2008
I’m certified to build things that can blow other things up.
[It makes me happy to make others happy. Derek seems pretty happy for the same reason. There will be another batch of happy people later, it was just that I sent Squeaky and Derek’s forms in at the same time as my Type 20 (license to manufacture high explosives) renewal. Forms from other people came in later.


I think Boomershoot 2009 is going to make me more happy than usual.–Joe]

Competition versus reality

Last week Michael Bane put up a post on competition versus real world shooting. This is pretty much “old territory”. It’s sort of like the classic debate between Glock owners and 1911 advocates. Or what is the best cartridge or bullet? I’m pulling some of my previously published data on this rather than contributing much in the way of new material.


In my collection of quotes I have one from Greg Hamilton which is essentially +1 on what Bane says:



As for the “I don’t shoot that kind of game because I don’t want to learn bad tactics” crowd, I think that is an over used excuse by people that can’t win. Shooting IPSC or IDPA won’t make you a bad tactician. Being a bad tactician will make you one! Most of the people that complain about tactics wouldn’t know a tactic if it hit them in the ass.


Tactics are making the most out of the situation with the resources at hand. Every time you “game” a stage you are engaging in tactical thinking. They just might not be the right tactics for a gunfight.


Greg Hamilton
11/11/2001
Insights Training Email List


The following is only partially on target for the topic at hand but it is still worthy of bringing up:



From: Joseph K. Huffman
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 11:21 PM
To: ipsc mailing list
Subject: RE: New target…


[…stuff deleted…]


‘Classic Target’ makes me think of George Orwell’s ‘1984’ and ‘Animal Farm’ books. To me IPSC is about shooting ‘bad guys’. It is about using a gun to defend self, family, and country. If someone were to ask me if IPSC was training people to shoot other people I would reply with an enthusiastic “YES!”. There are some people that need to be shot. And if the time comes that they need to be shot and I’m the one that must do the shooting my speed, accuracy, and power will be some of the critical items in deciding who walks away from the encounter and who leaves on a stretcher. For some government, or some naive group of people with political clout, to claim a moral high ground and demand that I stop practicing shooting at people is ludicrous. Self defense is a right all species on this planet have claimed for all time. For someone to deny me the opportunity to practice it is as alien to me as anything I can imagine. It causes an internal reaction of outrage in me that I find difficult to express accurately. If the world IPSC organization wants to add another target to achieve political advantage in some country or to gain entrance to the Olympics, fine. If necessary, as a first step, shoot with single shot air guns. Do what you have to in those areas where shooting real guns at (somewhat) realistic targets is not viable. But don’t take away the fundamental principles of this ‘game’ from everyone — shooting ‘bad guys’, fast, accurately, and with ‘stopping power’.


-joe-


The point I like to make is, “How many class B and above IPSC shooters have lost a real world gun fight?” As far as I know the answer is zero. IMHO any time you get someone to the range and they put in some “trigger time” shooting fast and accurately they are improving their “real world” gun skills. Show me the data that suggests otherwise and then we can talk more but until then we just have opinions.

Racking up the victories

With the Heller decision we successfully landed on the beach and are now advancing.


The Apex of the Triangle of Death reports on the latest victory in Morton Grove Illinois where they surrendered without firing a shot.

Gun selection for our mercenary training

The top ten gun bloggers (it was a rigged election–I know it must be because I won) are going to Blackwater USA next month for some training with Todd Jarrett all sponsored by Para.


We aren’t being trained as mercs but I figure it’s a good story to tell people and I love the shock value.


Para is supplying the guns and has asked each of us what caliber we want. I asked for .40 because that is the pistol caliber I most frequently reload. Sorry, that wasn’t an option. My options were 9mm and .45. I have all the components and equipment for 9mm so I initially asked for that. Then a minute or so later I asked what the capacity on that gun was. It is 9 + 1. Arghh! 9mm and it’s not even a reasonably high capacity? I carry 18 + 1 in my .40! Okay, so if I’m going to be stuck with a low capacity gun I might as well go with the larger caliber. So it’s the .45. It’s a 1911 style gun and I can use it in the Single Stack division (I currently shoot Limited) for USPSA competition.


Now I find out that this isn’t exactly a 1911 style as I think of it. It’s a “Light Double Action” trigger instead of a single action trigger! The 9mm they offered has a single action trigger. Hmmmm… It’s looking like we’re talking the lesser of two evils here.


Okay. I’ll give them chance. I’ll still go with the .45 but this might be putting me at a disadvantage with the bet I have with Caleb. He’s going with the 9mm and he is spending a lot of time practicing.


Uncle is doing a survey to resolve his similar quandary.


Rob is going with the .45.

We have a winner!

Don Gwinn of The Armed School Teacher has just announced he got the 11th position at the Gun Blogger Summer Camp. Congratulations Don!


I’ll see you in a few weeks.


H/T to Tam (who will also be attending) for the link to Gwinn’s announcement post.

Quote of the day–Caleb of Call Me Ahab

I have had a tendency in my young life to occasionally run my mouth with abandon (my wife is shaking her head at that); however I have been fortunate in the majority of this situations to be able to back up my mouth with skill or plain old dumb luck.


The more I read Joe’s archives, the more I realize I’m going to need a lot of the latter to win our friendly wager.


Caleb of Call Me Ahab
July 15, 2008
Pride goeth…
[Caleb will be at Gun Blogger Summer Camp with me next month. In a long email thread among some of the bloggers with the subject “My dad can beat up your dad” Caleb ended up challenging me to a bet on our shooting abilities. I can only recall accepting two bets in the last 35 years (I won both). I just don’t bet unless I’m pretty close to certain that I’m going to win. This was the most risky bet I have accepted in the last 35 years. Based on the cards face up on the table I’ve got a better hand but one never knows until all the cards are turned over. That will occur on August 24th.–Joe]

Summer camp

While some of the gun bloggers are off sweating at a summer camp in the North Carolina heat you should not feel sorry for yourselves. You should go to your own summer camp on the opposite coast during some of those same days (August 23 – 31):



This course will encompass how to patrol, recon, ambush, and raid, and will involve individual and small unit tactics, leadership, planning, operations orders, warning orders, and rehearsals.

One of the ultimate expressions of this was done during the Vietnam War and was know as MACV-RECONDO school . This school was set up by Project Delta (yes, the guys who later founded Delta Force) and then turned over to 5th SFG. This was the basis for LRRP/Ranger type operations in Vietnam. This course will be modeled after that school but with a modern backdrop and modern planning procedures.

There will be instructors from the actual Vietnam Recondo school along with modern experienced Rangers and Special Forces personnel. Outside of the military nothing like this has ever been offered before. Others have done fantasy camps, no one has run the real deal. Most active duty infantrymen never get a chance for this level of training!

This course will be a 24/7 immersion conducted out of a “fire-base” with large military tents and cots, in a training area of more than 800 acres. Food will be provided. The missions will go from very small unit recons, to two-element ambushes, to multi-element raids, with QRF or “hatchet force” operations as well. Basically, 5-6 man to full-class operations. All students will be involved in leadership and planning. This class is not just about tactics-the leadership and planning portions are as important as tactics, as is working as a team. Stress will be induced through the rapid pace: this is a learning tool for leadership and teamwork that cannot be overemphasized.


Do it now before a new administration declares this sort of thing to be a domestic terrorist training camp or some such thing.

Gun nuts pod-cast on Para/Blackwater summer camp

Caleb and Squeaky will be pod-casting tomorrow night on the summer camp some of us are attending:



Talking about the recently released results of ParaUSA’s blogshoot contest, where 10 bloggers and one lucky reader will get to go to Blackwater’s state of the art training facility in North Carolina for a weekend of shooting with Todd Jarret.


Assuming I’m not on the road (I’ll be traveling back to the Seattle area tomorrow afternoon/evening) I’ll be listening.

I’m going to Gun Blogger Summer Camp

I just got a call from Kerby Smith from Para USA, Inc. They congratulated me on being one of the top ten bloggers in their contest. Other winners include:



There should be three others as well. I expected Sebastian and Kevin but Sebastian says he hasn’t been notified and Kevin hasn’t posted anything about it the last time I looked.


Michael Bane (Update: with Bitter and Sebastian) will be attending as a video photographer, plus there will be some lucky voter that will attend as well.


In other news, Kerby said they just announced their new tactical rifle and they are opening up shop in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Quote of the day–Kerby Smith

Dear Joe,


Congratulations, you were one of the top ten bloggers in the Para Gun Bloggers Contest.


Kerby Smith
Email sent Monday, July 07, 2008 12:24 PM
[Whooo hooo!!! I’m going to Virginia to train with Todd Jarrett! Thank you everyone! I really appreciate all the votes.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Greg Hamilton

Plan A
Translation: Shooting “scumbag” in the chest.

Plan B
Translation: Shooting “scumbag” in the head.

Plan C
Translation: Shooting “scumbag” in the pelvis.

From the Greg Hamilton to English Dictionary by Meredith Robinson

Last chance to vote for me

I’ve mentioned this before but a reminder that this is your last chance to vote for me can’t hurt.


The back story:


There were 40 gun bloggers, including myself, that participated in the 2nd Amendment Blogger Bash at the NRA Convention last month. There is now a contest to select 10 of those bloggers to participate in “Gun Blogger Summer Camp”.


Action item:


Would you please vote for me? Go here and find “The View From North Central Idaho” near the bottom of the list: http://www.para-usa.com/new/special/blogger_contest06-08.php#vote click on the radio button and submit it. You don’t have to put in your address and phone number unless you would like a chance at attending the camp as well (one lucky voter will get to attend with the blogger winners).


Please do it today. This is the last day of the contest.


Thanks!

What not to do with a loaded firearm


Via Xenia’s fiancée John.


I cheated and won

Despite thousands of people walking around carrying guns and even drinking while armed the only shooting I saw was the air gun stuff going on at the convention hall. Rick from Traction Control challenged Kevin and I to a little friendly shooting. The targets are below.

I cheated. Something Greg Hamilton of Insights teaches his students–the goal is to win. In a gun fight winning is the only thing that matters. Playing fair is for losers.

Rick and Kevin shot first and reported the gun was shooting low and right. So I aimed high and left. I scored a 49 and won.

Shotgunning: 12 shots in 1.73 seconds

Very impressive video from Berreta (the link is broken, but it might have been this video):

Not just the speed (0.144 seconds per shot) but the accuracy at that speed. I have always been super impressed with Pat Kelley and it appears this guy is on par with Pat. Here is a quote from Pat when I saw him shooting at a match:

Damn Benelli!  As soon as you try to do a point one three split the hammer follows the bolt down.  It’ll do a point one four, but you get yourself in trouble as soon as you try a point one three.

Pat Kelley
IPSC Grandmaster
Wily Coyote Three Gun Shoot
Whitebird, Idaho
August 2, 1998, 11:45 AM
Referring to his shotgun that malfunctioned when he tried to shoot it faster than it was capable of shooting.

This reminds me that I have another quote from Pat that I’ll use for tomorrows QOD.

The white-tailed deer in my van

This morning I finished cleaning my heavy barreled AR-15 and then cleaned my .300 Win Mag. It was raining but was supposed to stop by midday where I was headed (they were wrong). I packed up my rain gear (a poncho), gun gear, hunting knife, computer, some food, and water. I had to mail some stuff to one of my lawyers and finally got out of town a little after noon. I arrived at the Boomershoot site a little after 13:00. I walked from near the 380 yard line to the Taj Mahal about a quarter mile away taking about 1.5 hours going slowly around the area, nearly twice, in opposite directions. I expected to find a deer in the tall grass or under a tree where I had seen two deer before. Lyle and his son and I had seen three deer about two weeks ago. No such luck today. I got soaking wet from the knees down. I did a little work at the Taj Mahal and dried out a little bit. I didn’t warm up any though. After an hour or so I left and as I drove south over the hill toward South Road on Meridian Road I saw two deer. One was stopped looking at me from about 100 yards away. I stopped and watched as the first one ran away and the other just stared at me. It was on land I didn’t have permission to hunt on. On the other side of the road was more land I didn’t have permission to hunt on. If it crossed the road I couldn’t shoot it while it was on the road. It was safe from me for over 400 yards in any direction. I drove on and it ran away as I got closer.

I was cold and damp and was enjoying the warmth of the van. I decided to do some “road hunting.” I would drive around for a while and see if I could see anything from the roads on any of the land I had permission to hunt on. I drove slowly north into a field we call “The 120”. Nothing. I turned around and slowly drove back out to the main road. I drove west on South Road and then north on Newman Road. I turned west into another field where Lyle, his son, and I waited for dusk and deer to appear before. Last time dusk and then darkness had arrived without any deer.

About 16:00 I parked and set up to wait for dusk and the hoped for deer. An aerial image of the location is here. The top strip of green is trees and brush. Just to the south (down) is my parents land. In the middle of the picture, going north-south, is a strip of grass in a draw. It is called a grass waterway. I had parked my van just south of where the grass waterway bends to the east. Using the van for shelter from the breeze and the rain I setup and waited. I fired up my computer and used the hot air from the fan to dry the ocular lens that had water drops on it. I checked temperature, 46 F, and the barometric indicated altitude–3000 feet above sea level. I put the information into Modern Ballistics and used the laser range finder to get distances to the nearest trees and various landmarks in the grass waterway. I set the scope angle to an indicated 5.75 MOA. Using the 180 grain Federal Power-Shok cartridges for my .300 Win Mag that would give me a zero of 234 yards and a point blank range of 273 yards with a point blank size of 4.8 inches. The nearest trees were about 270 yards. Anything my side of the trees could be hit within 2.4 inches of my point of aim without adjusting for elevation–assuming perfect ammo, gun, and shooter. None of those were perfect but from 200 to 260 yards the point of impact should be +/- 1.4 inches assuming everything is perfect. The deer, almost for certain, would be within that range if it appeared.

At 16:40 my daughter Kim called to discuss snow tires for her car. I chatted for a while then saw two deer walk out of the woods and stroll slowly to the east. I told Kim, “I’m out hunting and I just saw two deer come out of the woods. I want to shoot them now.” We said good-bye and I turned my attention to the deer. The deer were together in the center of the grass waterway having just come out of the woods. My laser range finder said I was 255 yards from the lead deer which was broadside to me and a better target. I was aiming just ahead of the shoulder as it was walking into the shot. The gun went off without a conscious thought from me–IPSC does that to you. In IPSC when I’m doing things right I find that as the sights are aligned on the target the gun goes boom without me knowing it was going to happen–even when it’s happening three times a second. Just as I pulled the trigger the deer stopped and put it’s head down to eat. In the 0.3 seconds the bullet took to reach it’s target the deer would have put it’s heart into the path of the bullet. But because it was stopped the bullet got it’s spine instead of the heart and lungs–we both got lucky. It would be hard to get a cleaner, quicker death than a completely severed spine between it’s head and heart. I got an easier job of cleaning the chest cavity and have more eatable meat.


The untouched deer after being shot. Click for a larger image, then click again for still larger.

Another example for doubters of Myth Busters. The deer fell toward the shooter (actually it turned 90 degrees toward me then fell over so the long axis of it’s body was aligned with me). You are looking at the exit wound side of the deer. It did not get pushed or knocked down by the bullet impact. It’s spine was severed and whatever muscle twitches remained caused it’s only motion as it crumpled to the ground.

The other deer jumped and ran a few steps before stopping and looking in my direction. I wondered at first if I had missed and this was the deer I had shot at. I looked closely through the scope and could see the white from the belly of the deer I had shot. It was motionless. I quickly packed up enough to drive to the downed deer. The still standing deer didn’t run away until I had started up and was moving toward it.

I parked the van next to the deer and started cutting on it. I then called Doug to tell him and hoped he would volunteer to come help. He did. When he and his son Brad arrived about 10 minutes later it was getting dark and it was still raining. I was doing this for the first time and progress was slow for me before Doug arrived. Doug brought a hatchet that we used to break open the pelvis and the sternum. After tagging it and emptying the body cavity we put it on the tarp in my van and drove back to his place to skin it while hanging up in the machine shed.

I called Kim back after the gutted deer was in the van and on the way to the shed for skinning. She asked if she was still going to get some of the meat. I told her, “Of course”. After talking to Kim I called Xenia and told her I would be home a little late because I had got my deer.

In the shed we had artificial lights, a roof over our heads, and equipment to hoist the deer up to chest height for easy skinning. 1.5 hours after I took the shot it was gutted, skinned, and wrapped in a tarp in my van.

I went inside to visit with my parents and clean up a little. I wore plastic gloves and my poncho while working with the deer so I didn’t get much blood on me. I just had to clean my knives and a little bit blood from one sleeve of my shirt. Mom fixed me a peanut butter, jelly, and lettuce sandwich and gave me a glass of milk for my supper. I left my parents place at 18:30 and was home, parked in the driveway with the carcass of a white-tailed deer in my van by 19:30. Tomorrow it will go to the meat cutter who will age it, then cut, and wrap the meat.

Interesting coincidences–I have harvested (using Barb’s Jeep rather than my rifle) only one other deer before. It also was on Halloween and just seconds prior to downing it I got a call on my cell phone. That time I was on the phone talking to Barb when the deer jumped out in front of me and the impact caused compound fractures in both its hind legs. I killed it with my pistol and again Doug came to field dress it.

Doug asked me if I got sick to my stomach as I pulled the trigger. He still does sometimes. Other people get very excited and can’t shoot worth a darn when a deer gets into their sights. I didn’t feel any excitement or sickness–just the recoil of the rifle on my shoulder. There was no particular joy or sadness either. Just another four legged, crop eating pest was dead and I would have some meat to share with my children over the next few months.

More pictures from my first hunting season are here. Tomorrow, after the light is better, I plan to update the photo album with pictures of the entrance and exit wounds.

Update: I took the deer to the meat processor Tuesday morning. While on the scales with head and legs still attached it weighed 79 pounds. The photo album has been updated with pictures of the entrance and exit wounds.

Update2: Information on whitetailed deer. Also of interest is that in Clearwater county, where this deer was harvested, a collision with a deer is the most common form of car accident.

Quote of the day–Kerry Pierce

I love making empties. The size and shape of the targets that I miss are rather irrelevant to my joy.

Kerry Pierce
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April 8, 1999