Quote of the day—Josh Sugarmann

When it comes to gun control, the American public is way ahead of our elected officials. Americans overwhelmingly want health and safety regulation of the gun industry. A significant percentage, in some areas a majority, favor a handgun ban and, in virtually every part of the country, more Americans favor a handgun ban than own handguns.

Josh Sugarmann
March 15, 2000
New Survey Reveals More Americans Favor Handgun Ban Than Own Handguns
[The actual number, according to Sugarmann’s own numbers is that 36.6% of the people in the U.S. asked said they support a handgun ban while 24.8% own handguns. I’m not sure why the number of people who own handguns is relevant here other than for Sugarmann to pretend to have something to crow about. Does he think that the 36.6% of the people wanting to ban handguns would be able to take them away from the 24.8% that own them? Let’s explore that a little bit.

Assuming one shot is required per person that attempts to take a handgun away. That means on the average each handgun owner needs to have about 1.5 rounds of ammo to not even need to set their beer down and get up out of the easy chair when dealing with those criminals. Of course if it were me and I had to defend my property against criminals attempting to take it from me by force I would sue the survivors and/or their estate for the cleaning service for both my home and my gun, the time lost, and the ammo I used. It’s a lot more effort that just pulling the trigger a few times and calling the cops but I think it sends a message when they have to pay for the dispatch as well as disposal costs.

In a more serious frame of mind the number of real interest that Sugarmann avoided reporting is that 63.4% did not support banning handguns. And unless you are talking about a Constitutional Amendment what does the number people wanting to infringe a specific enumerated right matter at all? If there were more people that wanted to enslave people with black skin than there were people who had black skin does it really matter on any scale you want to measure it by? In either case if someone tries to implement something that clearly over the line it’s “game on”.

Keep in mind this was over 11 years ago so it’s possible that Sugarmann has raised his estimation of the I.Q. of those that read his garbage and this now longer represents the quality of his work. But I wouldn’t count on it. He’s been in the business of deceiving the public for so long I doubt that he even knows how to be ethical.—Joe]

Ok, That Is Pretty Cool

I’ve come to shrug my shoulders at the various “flying car” ideas out there.  Most of them have never flown, and probably never will, despite having the flight specs listed on the their web sites.  There are of course helicopters and auto gyros, but I don’t know of any highway rated ones.


This one is already in the air and the road, and seemingly ready to go.


I want the option of putting floats on mine, and skis, plus four wheel drive, and it needs to able to carry four people, the dog, and a week’s worth of camping supplies for the family, my tools, several rifles and a couple thousand rounds of ammo.  I’ll have to wait for the “F150 4 x 4” version, and then get it used, ’cause I can’t afford a quarter mil.  You early adopters will no doubt be a great help.

TSA gets frowned at

They should be sent to prison for deprivation of rights under the color of law but a Federal Judge frowning at the TSA and telling them to get public comment on the body scanners is better than nothing.

I recognize that gun!

I recognize the gun, the shooter, the time, and the place.

Quote of the day—Wayne LaPierre

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms in defense of self, family and country is ultimately self evident and is part of the Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution. Reduced to its core, it is about fundamental individual freedom, human worth, and self-destiny.

We reject the notion that American gun owners must accept any lesser amount of freedom in order to be accepted among the international community. Our Founding Fathers long ago rejected that notion and forged our great nation on the principle of freedom for the individual citizen – not for the government.

The cornerstone of our freedom is the Second Amendment. Neither the United Nations, nor any other foreign influence, has the authority to meddle with the freedoms guaranteed by our Bill of Rights, endowed by our Creator, and due to all humankind.

Wayne LaPierre
July 14, 2011
NRA Delivers Remarks at United Nations Concerning Proposed Arms Trade Treaty
[The rest of the remarks are of a similar tone. It’s not that long and it’s worth reading the whole thing.

Although it would take two thirds of the Senate and an anti-gun president to get it through I have often considered a version of this treaty as the biggest threat we are facing. An anti-gun president isn’t that hard to come by and in the long term thirds of the Senate might be feasible under some circumstances.

MAIG also deserves a high ranking but their agenda is more susceptible to local political action and court challenges. A ratified treaty is a much different and more difficult beast to deal with.—Joe]

Ten years and $1,000,000 fine

I wonder if this is why President Obama is ramping up his fundraising machine (H/T to Cam Edwards).

I still think BoomershootWife has the better idea about what to do with him.

Following the letter of the law

I find this rather funny. As explained by Brennan B. on the gun.mail discussion from work yesterday:

For anyone who’s been lusting after a handgun that’s not on California’s “safe” list, a new workaround for that infernal list has recently surfaced.

Basically it involves converting the handgun into a single-shot with overall length >10″ in order to qualify for the target pistol exception to the handgun list.  Then it can be legally sold to you.  Once you’ve completed the paperwork and waiting period it’s your gun, at which point you can legally hire a gunsmith to change out the clowny-looking ~8″ barrel back out for a standard one, and un-pin the 0-round magazine from the frame.  Then you can sell those parts back to the shop that did the single-shot conversion.

Note that this work can be done in-state which means the gunsmith hired to do the conversion, the FFL from which you buy the gun, and the gunsmith that converts it back can all be the same guy.

Prohibition of things doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter what you are trying to prohibit. You can only punish actions.

Ruben Navarrette Jr. thinks he lives in a dictatorship

Sometimes you just have to shake your head and suggest people like Ruben Navarrette, Jr.  should go live in North Korea or something:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has decided to try to clean up Dodge City by requiring gun dealers in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas to report bulk sales of semi-automatic weapons. That requirement already exists for handgun purchases. If an individual walks into a gun shop on the border and buys two or more guns within a five-day period, the agency wants to know about it.

That makes sense. Some of those are likely headed to Mexico. And if you want to go after drug traffickers, start by taking their guns. If you can seize the drugs, fine. But without guns, the bad guys can’t protect themselves or defend their product. So they’re out of business.

Who could find fault with this approach by law enforcement? The National Rifle Association, which claims the reporting requirement infringes on the Second Amendment and the right of individuals to bear arms.

Do you remember the part of the Constitution where it says that people have the right to buy two or more automatic weapons within five days without law enforcement knowing anything about it?

Someone should remind Ruben Navarrette Jr. that there is nothing in the constitution that says the ATF or even President Obama get to make law all by themselves. The existing law explicitly says the reporting requirement the ATF and Navarrette desire is not allowed. Little things like changing Federal law require the change be voted on by both the House and the Senate.

But then it’s pretty easy to tell that Navarrette isn’t a big fan of the constitution and probably not even the existence of the House and the Senate. North Korea should suit him well.

Quote of the day—bob r

If you cut out the tumor, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you kill the rabid dog, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you cut out the gangrene, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you remove the mudslide from the road, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you remove the nail from the tire, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you remove the excess fat from your ass, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you remove the worm from the apple, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you remove the slug from the garden, what is it going to be replaced by?

If you remove the hornet nest from the entry way, what is it going to be replaced by?

bob r
July 14, 2011
Comment to Random thought of the day in response to ubu52 asking, “If TSA goes away, what is it going to be replaced by?”
[As Say Uncle has said, “Same planet, different worlds”.

ubu52, and many others, have completely different base assumptions about the world we live in, politics, and human nature than I and the people I usually associate with do. This makes it hard to have meaningful discussions let alone share the same government.—Joe]

Gambling with Societal Stability

That title reads like it’s from one of the pathetic doctoral theses that students are forced to write, and that no one will ever read, doesn’t it?


No, I’m talking about gambling, or “gaming” as a business.


Gambling, it was said, should be outlawed because of the horrific problems that can result from it.  Some people, lured by the prospect of easy money, cannot control themselves, and so on.  And so gambling was outlawed.  To save us from ourselves.  It’s based on the thoroughly Marxist tenet that says; if we’re allowed to make our own decisions, we’ll surely mess up everything.  Because we suck.


Oh, but wait; there can be a lot of money to be made in gambling, so we should have a state lottery!  Cool!  Think of all the sweet, sweet money!


Now, all of sudden, and just because the government owns it, gambling is WONDERFUL!  Why, look at all the things it funds!  Think of The Children!


The Washington State Lottery has been running radio ads telling us of all the beautiful, wonderful, loving things that the lottery does for all of us and our community.  They quote the happy winners and urge us to gamble like there’s no tomorrow, imploring us to ask ourselves with the catchy phrase; “Who’s world could YOU change?”


See, you cops and you in the justice system and you legislators; this is how the remaining shreds of respect for the law, and law enforcement, are being eroded.


It’s the worst, most destructive thing in the world when WE deoit, but it’s the very definition of beauty and all things holy when YOU do it.


I have a friendly tip for you in this regard–  FUCK YOU!  You’re not helping to stabilize your communities with this sort of crap.  You’re helping to de-stabilize your communities with the enforcement of laws that punish people who HAVEN’T violated anyone’s rights.


This, ladies and gentlemen, is why, if we’re going to de-criminalize drugs, we must keep the drug trade as far out of the hands of government as possible.  This is the sort of crap that led to the creation of the BATFE following the horrors of Prohibition, if you know your history.


If we follow that horrid model, let’s see; “We gave some of the gambling to Indian tribes, so maybe we can give the pot trade to…hmmm…maybe the Hispanic Americans?  Maybe the poor white trailer trash?  Or should they be given the meth trade?  Oh what the hell, lets have the government play the role that used to be played by the syndicated crime gangs that the government created with substance laws in the first place.  Sure—they own it already, by rights.  Fine, now what about prostitution?”


I’ve been asking the question for years; haven’t we learned a single thing from the Prohibition era?  Now I’m wondering.  Maybe we did learn something from Prohibition.  Maybe we learned that there’s a ton of money and power to be gained from making certain things illegal, causing a bunch of crime and chaos, ratcheting up the law enforcement and reaching for more “tools” for said enforcement, then when it’s so far out of control that the people are saying they’ve had enough and they’re demanding “something” be done, government takes it over where the gangs left off.  State pot dispensaries, AND we still have all the 4th amendment incursions we had during the drug “war” AND we still have the DEA.  “Top down, bottom up, inside out” (that model fits perfectly here, so if you haven’t heard of it, you had better start googling it.  We’re being set up).  And you people think it’s a freaking great idea.  Suckers.  Fools.  Dupes.  You think you’re for freedom, and you’ll be begging for this shit, as an improvement.  Just as it was planned.  The BATFEM, here we come.  You’ll call for it, thinking yourself clever, but you’re just someone else’s Stradivari.


On the other hand, we could have a free society, like we were promised after the Revolution.  Now which would you rather?  A free society, or a government-run, hypocritical shit hole with different rules for different groups of people and still different rules for government-run businesses?  We fought a revolution over much less than this, and defeated the most powerful military in the world in the process.  Americans tend to think freedom is worth fighting for.  It’s in our blood.

Quote of the day—Charles Heller

Follow their criminal and bloody escapades from the Ken Ballew raid debacle in 1971, to the deceit that triggered the Randy Weaver travesty in Idaho, to the incitement of violence in the horror at Waco,Texas, to the despicable acts in the John Lawmaster Raid.

The ATF, and later the BATFE, has now distinguished itself as the least disciplined, least accomplished, least effective, and most unethical “law enforcement” agency in U.S. law enforcement history.

Charles Heller
Executive Director of Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership
Gun Control – And Now For Something Completely Different
July 13, 2011
[I could see a solid case for that claim being made and defended.—Joe]

Random thought of the day

Barron suggests people show the TSA some verbal disrespect if you happen to meet them when they are not in a position of power over you.

I can’t find much fault with what he suggests. Perhaps it is just a waste of time. What I wonder is how much of this it would take before it would cause the turnover rate to noticeably increase. Beyond that how much would it take before the TSA would be shut down? And how many people would it take to accomplish this? This question can be generalized to other disliked organizations (not even restricted to governmental organizations).

If you say there are some organizations that can’t be eliminated this way then you don’t have enough imagination. Hypothetically the level of force can be scaled up to any level so in the extreme case this would be deadly force. And for small enough organizations, say a few dozen, one could imagine that a single “activist” could eliminate the entire organization and not get caught. Hence, in this extreme case one person could rid the planet of one hated organization by themselves.

At the other extreme you have one individual frowning at a single member of the hated organization composed of millions. The effect of which could not possibly be measured.

In between these two extremes there must be some level of force and number of applications of that force that results in the organization being disbanded. Could it be possible to determine what the minimum force and minimum required number of applications without going up against the TSA? Surely there is data that could be extrapolated from. If nothing else interviewing people that divorced their spouses or quit their jobs would provide some hints.

Suppose we had the numbers and we knew, for example, that the organization would disband if one of the following were true:

  • 50% of the organization were verbally abused every day for one month
  • 10% of the organization were physically assaulted at least once every month
  • 1% of the organization were murdered each month.

Now we look at the problem from a different perspective, the moral acceptability of the actions. Suppose the organization were the Police Battalions moving through Poland and the USSR in 1941-2. Morally any level of force would be justified because of the defensive of innocent life. On the other end the organization might be activists for a Pro-Choice/Life organization and even though they might stir up some strong emotions it would be difficult to justify using force beyond verbal abuse.

Now comes the tricky part. How do you measure the moral tradeoff in quantity versus level of force? That is, for the example at hand, suppose that you could end the TSA by slapping a single TSA agent. Probably one could justify that. It would be worth violation of moral principles because you stopped the violation of other principles by the TSA. Very much like using deadly force to defend innocent life from those that take it.

So is that how one should balance the moral scales? Force must be in proportion to that applied by the hated individual or organization? That works when the numbers are one on one. But what when the offenders number in the 10s of thousands and they offend hundreds of times per day and will repeatedly offend into the endless future? How are the scales of morality balanced now? What can be justified as the weight of those millions of offenses stretching on into eternity are balanced against a small number of greater offenses? Is one person suffering a vigorous slap the moral equivalent of 10 full body pat downs and five nude body scans of the innocent victims?

Closely related is another question. How many people would someone have to kill before a law were changed or broken law ignored? Imagine some criminal is holed up in a building, surrounded by the cops, and the negotiator tells him to surrender. The criminals says he wants to consider his options and asks, “How many people do I have to kill to be allowed to go free?” The negotiator says, “It doesn’t work that way. You will not be allowed to go free no matter how many people you kill.” The criminal says, “You lack imagination. Obviously if I kill everyone else on this continent I will go free. But I don’t want to do that. That would be too terrible and too difficult. But if it were somewhat fewer I might consider it. So I want to know what the number is.”

So what is the answer? If the “right people” people in the executive branch, down through the local police force, are killed that would probably do it too. That number might be relatively small. Perhaps a few hundred. It would be exceedingly immoral of course. But posing the question fascinates me because of the implications. It appears that if an extraordinary evil is perpetrated against, perhaps, some very small number of people then the entire fabric of our society could be changed.

9/11 was a crude example but that data point supports the hypothesis. The people who were murdered were, for all intents and purposes, chosen at random. And although it had profound changes on our society the response was different from that intended by the attackers. But what if the people attacked were individually chosen for their position of power and it was believed the attackers could do it again at will and probably never get caught? The attackers don’t have to put themselves into positions of official power. They just have to have “veto power” over the lives of those who wield it.

Our society and political system is perhaps far more fragile than we would like to believe. It’s resilience is extremely dependent upon being able to almost completely thwart those that would exercise “veto power” and get away with it.

Update: Mexico probably has a lot of data that could be used to answer the questions.

Firearms Law Canada

If you follow Canada’s firearms law and policy, as I do, then this blog by criminal lawyer Solomon Friedman appears to be a very good source of additional insight from the pro-gun side rather than just the anti-gun media.

I have added it to my RSS reader.

Quote of the day—Chris Cox

They don’t have the statutory authority to do it and we’ll file a lawsuit as soon as the first letters are sent.

Because the American people don’t approve of his gun-control agenda, he’s trying to circumvent Congress. The whole thing is a distraction away from the gross incompetence that we’ve seen in this Fast & Furious scandal…The truth is a $40 billion criminal enterprise is not going to be worried about paperwork violations. This is not a serious attempt at controlling the drug cartels.

Chris Cox
NRA Legislative Director
July 11, 2011
NRA: New Gun Control? We’ll Sue
[What isn’t explicitly stated is that the requiring the reporting of gun sales cannot be done by executive order. A change of this type requires legislative action.

It’s as if President Obama believes he is Dictator Obama and can go around fighting wars and creating laws without regard to the existence of the legislative branch. Oh, yeah. He might actually believe it and is doing that.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Dennis Henigan

It is true that D.C.’s gun laws are, to some extent, undercut by weaker gun laws of surrounding jurisdictions, particularly Virginia. But that is hardly the fault of D.C.’s gun laws.

What we’re talking about here is possession of a lethal weapon. The fact that D.C. criminals have to import their guns from other jurisdictions demonstrates that D.C.’s strict gun laws actually work.

Dennis Henigan
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
July 11, 2011
MPD Says D.C. Gun Laws Have No Impact On City Crime
[What he says is true only if by “work” he means the intent of the law is to make it difficult to exercise your specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms. If the intent is to reduce violent crime then the gun laws clearly do not work. But then almost everyone knows Henigan intent is not to increase public safety when he advocates for more restrictive gun laws.

See also this QOTD where Half-Truth Henigan says it is difficult to sort out whether high gun ownership rates cause violent crime.

As I have said before, I want to know the real reason why they continue to advocate for restrictions on guns. I want them asked that question every time they open their mouth.—Joe]

End of the road for the Bradys

I was looking at one of the photo albums at the Brady Campaign Facebook page and found this:

BradySponsoredByHoustonGunForum

Notice (click to get a larger version if needed) that in the bottom right corner the ad displayed is for the Houston Gun Forum.

When Sarah and Jim Brady look like this and they have gun forums advertising on their pictures you have to know the end of their road is near. It is time to slap a “do not resuscitate” sign on their door and put their organization in hospice care.

Thanks

As the anti-gun organizations implode and fade into nothingness I’m expanded Boomershoot production facilities.

Today the BoomershootBabe (daughter Kim) and Barron will be unloading materials for the Mecca for long range shooters. Thanks guys. I’m sorry I couldn’t be there to help. I’m 350 miles away working on improving the entry software for Boomershoot 2012.

Give it up

As reported by Linoge, Say Uncle, and Sebastian the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence let their domain registration lapse.

It’s time for these guys to give it up. In any other business when times get really rough and the market for your product is shrinking there is a lot of consolidation and some organizations just close up shop. I’ve been there and done that and so have a lot of other people I know. There comes a time when there just aren’t enough people buying your product and you need to move on. How many buggy whip manufactures are there in existence today?

Remember the Bell Campaign? The “Million Mom March” took over that. Then the MMM merged with the Brady Campaign. Now the Brady Campaign race horse is about ready for the glue factory.

The CSGV? They were long past their prime before their senility went public. It’s time for them to give it up. If they think they must continue to sell their unwanted product they should go talk to the Brady Campaign and see if they have any job openings. Maybe the Brady’s still have a horse or two that will respond to the CSGV buggy whip.

Quote of the day—Josh Sugarmann

First the NRA’s leadership murdered its parents. Now it’s eating its children. The extremist positions staked out by the NRA’s leadership are taking their toll in dollars and cents. It is clear that even the NRA’s own members can’t stomach the leadership’s extremist anti-public safety, anti-law enforcement rhetoric and actions.

Josh Sugarmann
Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center
March 19, 1997
National Rifle Association Has Been “Technically Insolvent For Several Years” New Internal Document Reveals
[And 14 years later how do the balance sheets and membership numbers of the NRA and the VPC look now? I guess Sugarmann was wrong—as is nearly always the case.—Joe]

Gun Blogger Rendezvous

I just sent in my registration materials and reserved my hotel room for Gun Blogger Rendezvous VI.

Ry and I will be driving down together this time. We might have room to take some additional guns and ammo from the Seattle area if someone plans on flying and doesn’t want to pay the outrageous extra baggage fees.