Quote of the day—Paul Sanders

Have you ever thought about the underlying theme of gun control? 

“It’s too easy to get a gun.”

Exactly what does that mean?  Simply “getting a gun” is a harmless action.  What one does after they obtain it is what matters.  Since we can’t control what someone does with a firearm after they obtain it, we simply prevent them from getting one in the first place, or so the idea goes.

There are a couple of big problems with this premise.  First of all, we have this little thing called due process.  In a free society, we simply do not deny someone their rights based on what they “might do.”  You can spin it any way you like, that is simply not how a Constitutional Republic is supposed to function.  Our founders would roll over in their graves at such a suggestion.

Secondly, if you take the “solution” to its logical conclusion, we must make it impossible for everyone to get a gun so nobody can misuse it.  There is simply no other conclusion to which you can arrive.  Preventing someone from purchasing a firearm based on suspicion of future behavior is a fool’s errand.  The only way for it to be effective is to apply it to everyone.

So, when someone says, “Nobody wants to take your guns”, what they really mean is, “We want to make it impossible to ever get one in the first place.”

Paul Sanders
December 23, 2018
The Flawed Premise of Gun Control
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

Quote of the day—John Crump

New Jersey’s standard capacity magazine ban is now in effect making New Jersey’s one million gun owners criminals in the eyes of the state. But in an act of mass defiance, New Jersey residents refuse to comply.

Any magazine holding more than ten rounds is now illegal in the Garden State. The standard magazine for an AR-15 holds 30 rounds. Glock 19s, which is the most popular pistol in the United States, holds 15 rounds. Anyone who is possession of larger magazine is committing a fourth-degree felony.

John Crump
December 14, 2018
Million Plus NJ Gun Owners Defy State Law, Refuse to Turn Over Banned Gun Mags
[Via email from Chet M.

The article says as near as they can determine there have been zero magazines turned in. But that was almost two week ago. So there probably have been a few people who have complied by now. I expect the numbers will be small. Perhaps higher than in some other places like California, Colorado, and Connecticut where the numbers run in the five to 10 percent compliance rate.

So… what will the authorities do about the mass defiance? My guess they will not do anything overt. But if you get pulled over for a minor traffic violation and they find a 15 round magazine (or plant one) in your car you will find yourself facing 18 months in prison and a $10,000 fine for each magazine they found. They law was never about public safety. It was virtue signaling. Now it can be used selectively punish people who have not hurt anyone.

It’s about control.—Joe]

Quote of the day—James Densley @theviolencepro and David Squier Jones @SquierDavid

Leading experts in criminology, public health and law consider background checks performed by a licensed firearm dealer, law enforcement agency or other neutral third party arbiter to be the most effective way to reduce rising gun deaths, including suicides. And about 80 percent of all Americans support background checks for private sales and at gun shows. Polls show majority support for comprehensive background checks even among NRA members, but to pass common sense gun laws, lawmakers need super-owners to share in that common sense and speak out against the NRA’s more extremist positions.

The first step is redefining and reframing universal background checks as good succession planning. Only by closing the private sale loophole can super-owners ensure the safe redistribution of their valuable collections.

James Densley @theviolencepro and David Squier Jones @SquierDavid
December 21, 2018
Want Better Gun Control? Win Over The NRA’s Core Members.
[<SNORT!>

Apparently, someone, hasn’t read the memo. Study after study has shown background checks do not reduce “gun deaths”. It’s a good hypothesis, but it just doesn’t work. Just as the gun owners said it would not, since, well, since at least the mid—1990s when I first got into the debates.

More likely, and the “redefining and reframing” transparent intention of deception is a good clue, these people don’t care about the failure of the background checks. They want “universal background checks” for the registration “benefits”.

Just say, “No!”—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jacob Sullum

Today the Justice Department finalized its ban on bump stocks, which Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker claims merely “clarifies” federal law. It actually rewrites federal law, a function the Constitution assigns to Congress. Whitaker also wants us to believe that the bump stock ban shows “President Donald Trump is a law and order president.” To the contrary, it shows he is a president who ignores the law whenever it proves inconvenient.

Jacob Sullum
December 18, 2018
Trump’s Bump Stock Ban Shows Once Again He Is Happy to Ignore Inconvenient Laws
[See also Analyzing the Bump-Stock-Type Devices Rule and What Everyone Needs To Know About The Bumpfire Stock Ban for some of the more “vigorous” opposition to the ruling.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Joon B‏ @JoonB3

Here is a new idea, somebody should start a new responsible gun owner organization which will support 2nd amendment and strict gun control.I swear NRA members will leave NRA by droves and sign on with new organization.

Joon B‏ @JoonB3
Tweeted on November 28, 2018
[And someone should start the sister organizations:

  • Which supports the 1st amendment and strict speech, religion, and personal association control.
  • Which supports the 3rd amendment and troops living rent free in your home.
  • Which supports the 4th amendment and unannounced searches of your property, computers, and underwear.

Either Joon B is clueless or they are trolling us. Probably a fake account trolling for the fun of it. They only have four followers after being on Twitter for a year so you know they can’t have significant content of interest to anyone.—Joe]

Quote of the day—RussianBot (@JamesWSchuler)

When you consider that most people figure out how to ask a question before leaving grade school, yet journalism is almost entirely populated by people who needed an additional four years of secondary education to crack that nut, it all makes sense.

RussianBot (@JamesWSchuler)
Tweeted on November 30, 2018
[It’s not entirely true, but it has a strong leaning in the direction of truth.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Vincent Harinam & Gary Mauser

The Canadian gun-ban debate may prove instructive for Americans looking to avoid the consequences of hasty, emotion-driven gun legislation. Three lessons can be gleaned, with each highlighting the pitfalls of a distorted national conversation and the ineffective legislation it breeds.

Lesson 1: A failure to recognize past failures dictates calls for more restrictive legislation.

Lesson 2: Politicians prefer grand gestures over measured policies.

Lesson 3: Long term and secondary consequences are rarely considered.

Vincent Harinam & Gary Mauser
December 17, 2018
Canada’s Impending Gun Ban: Three Lessons for the U.S.
[I think there analysis is pretty good for the majority of the population who isn’t already committed to a side. The pro-freedom people already see the path we are being guided down as leading to disaster.

The anti-freedom people see the above “lessons” as features to snooker the sheep and useful idiots.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Javier Vanegas

Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight. The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.

Javier Vanegas
A Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador.
December 14, 2018
Venezuelans regret gun ban, ‘a declaration of war against an unarmed population’
[Never give up your guns. Only your enemy wants you disarmed.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Chad Felix Greene

Everything I was told to fear about being openly gay has become a reality in being openly conservative. The fear of being fired, harassed, called dehumanizing names, bullied, and denied access to public life (even violence) are all realities I face today as a conservative.

By the very nature of the left’s views on what constitutes “hate,” I am incapable of freely expressing myself on any public forum without very careful editing and presentation. I never truly experienced hate until I came out as a conservative.

Chad Felix Greene
December 11, 2018
The Stigma Against My Conservative Politics Is Worse Than The Stigma Of Being Gay
[I was recently told that a certain organization had a reputation of being a bunch of conservatives… “But they aren’t all bad.”

In her mind “conservative” was a synonym for “bad” and she didn’t want to have anything to do with “people like that”.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Josh Horwitz

AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifles have become the favorite gun of American mass shooters. These weapons were made to do one thing: kill as many people as quickly as possible. In the 14 years since the federal assault weapons ban expired, we have seen mass shootings become more frequent and far more lethal.

It is time for Congress to revisit a federal ban on semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15. They should also take action to regulate these weapons the same way we regulate fully automatic weapons and other class 3 weapons. Congress should also take action to regulate high capacity magazines and accessories that are designed to increase lethality. By regulating assault weapons, high capacity magazines and accessories like bump stocks, Congress can take significant action that will save American lives.

Josh Horwitz
December 13, 2018
Five gun violence prevention priorities for the incoming Congress
[I find it very telling that the link to this article (thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/421292-five-gun-violence-prevention-priorities-for-the-incoming-congress) puts it in the civil rights category. Is this a subtle acknowledgement that they know the proposals are a violation of civil rights?

One should note that, “gun violence” decreased since the “assault weapon ban” expired in 2004. And rifles of any type, AR-15s being a subset, are only rarely used in crime. But liars lie. You can’t expect them to tell the truth.

Since AR-15 type rifles are the most popular gun in the U.S. and the Heller decision makes it clear that firearms “in common use” it means such a ban would be unconstitutional. But people like Horwitz do not care about specific enumerated rights.—Joe]

Quote of the day—I am Groot @Waspotty

Privilege ?

I’ll tell you what privilege is!

It’s growing up in a country where your ancestors toiled and died to give you the opportunities and the life you have, and you denounce it.

It’s being an immigrant into a country you and your kin had NO part in forming, and taking all it’s benefits, democratic rights and freedoms and then reject it.

That’s ‘privilege’.

Priviledge

I am Groot @Waspotty
Gab post on December 13, 2018
[Via email from Chet M.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jon Miltimore

A new academic study has found that, once again, gun laws are not having their desired effect.

A joint study conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the University of California at Davis Violence Prevention Research Program found that California’s much-touted mandated background checks had no impact on gun deaths, and researchers are puzzled as to why.

Jon Miltimore
December 5, 2018

California’s Background Check Law Had No Impact on Gun Deaths, Johns Hopkins Study Finds
[When someone demands more background checks on gun sales tell them, according Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the University of California at Davis Violence Prevention Research Program, it is a waste of resources. The existing resources used to do the background checks should be reallocated to things that might make a difference. Perhaps more police officers or better mental health care. Or even letting people keep their tax money and spend it as they see fit.

If they insist, them ask them, “Since we know for a fact that background checks do not improve public safety what is your real reason for continuing to insist on expanding them?”—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jason Brennan

Most people seem to subscribe to what I call the Special Immunity Thesis: the idea that the set of conditions under which it is permissible, in self-defense or defense of others, to deceive, lie to, sabotage, attack, or kill a government agent is much more stringently constrained than the set of conditions under which it is permissible to deceive, lie to, sabotage, attack, or kill a private civilian.

On the flip side, we have what I call the Moral Parity Thesis: the idea that, very simply, you have the same right of self-defense against government agents as you do against civilians. Officials have no special moral status that immunizes them from defensive actions. When they commit injustices of any sort, it is morally permissible for us, as private individuals, to treat them the same way we would treat private individuals committing those same injustices. Whatever we may do to private individuals, we may do to government officials. We may respond to governmental injustice in exactly the same ways as private injustice.

The Moral Parity Thesis has radical implications. It means you may assassinate leaders to stop them from launching unjust wars. You may fight back against a police officer who arrests you for something that shouldn’t be a crime—e.g., marijuana possession or homosexuality. You may escape from jail if mistakenly convicted or convicted of a bogus crime. Your business may lie about its compliance with an unfair regulation and evade excessive taxes. A jury or judge may nullify an unjust statute by refusing to convict those who break it. The Moral Parity Thesis vindicates helicopter pilot Hugh Thompson, who threatened to kill fellow American soldiers to stop them from killing civilians during the My Lai massacre in Vietnam. It vindicates Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden for sharing at least some state secrets. It vindicates government agents who sabotage unjust efforts from within.

My basic argument is simple: By default, we should accept the Moral Parity Thesis, unless we can find some good reason to believe the Special Immunity Thesis instead. Upon inspection, though, the arguments for the Special Immunity Thesis fall flat. Governments and their agents aren’t magic.

Jason Brennan
December 2018
When Nonviolence Isn’t Enough—Does the right to self-defense apply against agents of the state?
[It’s an interesting article on personal and political philosophy.

Lysander Spooner had some things to say on this topic as well:

It is a natural impossibility that a government should have a right to punish men for their vices; because it is impossible that a government should have any rights, except such as the individuals composing it had previously had, as individuals. They could not delegate to a government any rights which they did not themselves possess.

I took a philosophy class in college but it was far less interesting and relevant than what I have read in the years since. And it was philosophers never mentioned in class, such as Ayn Rand and Spooner, that my Marxist professor left out of the curriculum that made the difference.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Gary Kleck

News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were known to have been used, occurring in the United States in 1994–2013, were examined. There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload. In all of these 23 incidents, the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2- to 4-seconds delay for each magazine change. Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain such slow rates of fire that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

Gary Kleck
June 1, 2016
Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages
[The next time someone claims society needs to ban standard capacity magazines because of mass shootings tell them the facts do not support their hypothesis. Then ask them, “What is the real reason you want to ban them?”

H/T to Matthew Carberry‏ @CarberryMatthew via a Tweet.—Joe]

Quote of the day—CIrcuit Judge Stephanos Bibas

The ban impairs using guns for self-defense. The government’s entire case is that smaller magazines mean more reloading. That may make guns less effective for ill—but so too for good. The government’s own police detective testified that he carries large magazines because they give him a tactical “advantage[],” since users must reload smaller magazines more often. App. 116-18. And he admitted that “law-abiding citizens in a gunfight” would also find them “advantageous.” App. 119. So the ban impairs both criminal uses and self-defense.


The law does not ban all magazines, so it is not per se un-constitutional. But it does impair the core Second Amendment right. We usually would stop there. How much the law impairs the core or how many people use the core right that way does not affect the tier of scrutiny. So like any other law that burdens a constitutional right’s core, this law warrants strict scrutiny.

Stephanos Bibas
Circuit Judge, dissenting.
December 5, 2018
Page 5 of the dissent in Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, Inc.; Blake Ellman; Alexander Dembrowski, Appellants v. Attorney General New Jersey; Superintendent New Jersey State Police.
[See also my “dissent”.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Robert Snaza

This law does nothing to prevent criminals from doing what they want to do. This law is more like going after people who are gun owners who are not criminals and telling them what the state wants them to do.

Robert Snaza
Lewis County Washington Sheriff
November 30, 2018
Lewis County Sheriff’s Office won’t seek out I-1639 violators
[Correct. Gun owners are resentful of this and I expect there will be a lot of people who ordinarily are law abiding who will ignore this law and donate money to court cases to see that the law is overturned.

Via email from Chet.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Tom Arnold (@TomArnold)

This explains why 80% of gun owners shoot themselves or members of their own families.

Tom Arnold (@TomArnold)
Tweeted on November 30, 2018
[See also, Math is hard by Carl Bussjaeger.

As we have known for a long time, anti-gun people have problems with numbers and arithmetic. Arnold is just reminding us of that and that Hollywood types do not have any special knowledge in anything other than pretending to be something other than what they are and reciting lines from a script.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Braden Lynch

I appreciate “studies” about firearms, but discount them in regards to policy decisions. The absolute right to be armed was decided in 1791.

Braden Lynch
November 30, 2018
Comment to Quote of the day—Jacob Paulson
[Furthermore, this right includes military weapons. Thinking about it from the point of the founders and the text of the 2nd Amendment this makes sense. But following up on this it was clearly pointed out in the Miller Decision. Even further it implies that unless it was a weapon useful to the militia it is not protected. In other words, it could be claimed that according to SCOTUS the 2nd Amendment only protects military weapons:

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.

I would also point out that the right preexists 1791. It is a right which has been claimed by all species for all time. Even mushrooms claim this right.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Karl Popper

The so-called paradox of freedom is the argument that freedom in the sense of absence of any constraining control must lead to very great restraint, since it makes the bully free to enslave the meek. The idea is, in a slightly different form, and with very different tendency, clearly expressed in Plato.

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

Karl Popper
1945
The Open Society and Its Enemies: New One-Volume Edition, Notes to the Chapters: Ch. 7, Note 4
[Via email from Bob T.

Interesting observation. I had a similar discussion with a co-worker many years ago. We didn’t arrive at a solution. And it is quite clear our government and society has gotten us into the end game of this paradox without implementing the apparent solution offered by Popper over 70 years ago.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Wheel of Death

Most people don’t realize an easy high explosive is nothing but nitromethane and ammonium nitrate. Beats TNT in some aspects. Add 800 mesh Al powder, and you can make EFP’s with a decently formed plate.

An RPG is a step up in complexity. And fusing a fuel air bomb is as well. All doable with patience.

Wheel of Death
November 29, 2018
Comment to Mark Walters: What a Democrat House Means to Our Gun Rights
[People talk the talk over there but I haven’t seen anyone walking the walk. Until then we need to invest in lobbying, voting, and lawsuits.—Joe]