I participated in a USPSA match at Marysville (Washington) today. For some reason I was extremely nervous for the first stage. My stomach was tied in knots and my shooting suffered. The second stage I shot (Killer B’s) I felt better but I still shot extremely poor. I had three misses and hit a no shoot target. It was a tough stage and two people zeroed it. But I shouldn’t have had problem with it. After that I settled down and did okay. But only in one stage (Dirty Mike) was I rather pleased with my results. But that wasn’t the stage that I did the best in compared to everyone else. I did the best in the classifier where I came in 3rd out of 17 in Limited and 7th out of 43 overall. Seven people zeroed that stage.
I tested out video glasses I got from Amazon and have shooter point of view for all but one of the stages:
The configuration program for the glasses didn’t work so I couldn’t set the date and time on the glasses and I couldn’t turn off the time stamp. So all the video has the wrong time.
I forgot to turn the camera on for the stage that I messed up on the most. That is the stage I would have most liked to have the video for!
I attended a steel match in Renton today. I was feeling kind of weird. I hadn’t gotten much sleep then I was really rushed trying to clean two guns and then get to the match on time. I left nearly 30 minutes later than I planned and I think there was far more adrenalin in my system that I can tolerate without side effects. I was shaking most of the morning, my stomach was upset, and I was feeling strange in the head.
My shooting felt pretty good anyway and I was pretty sure I was doing well compared to everyone in my squad. I was shooting in both rimfire iron sighted pistol and centerfire iron sighted pistol.
The stages looked like this:
Smoke and Hope
Closed Quarters
Roundabout
Double Tap
With Double Tap there was another USPSA target to the far left my camera couldn’t capture from the shooting box. The two USPSA targets were to be shot twice then the center target was the stop plate.
For those unfamiliar with scoring steel matches of this type you shoot the stage five times. Your score is the sum of your four best times. Hence you can determine the average time for a shooter to fire the five shoots on a given stage by dividing their stage time by four. If, for example, someone (like me when I shot rimfire) has a score of 10.14 for Closed Quarters it means I got five hits, on the average, in 2.535 seconds. Considering that it probably took about a second to get the first hit going from the orange marker on the ground to the first plate the other four hits took about 0.384 seconds each. I’m constantly amazed this is even possible let along that I can do this.
My standing in the match was somewhat surprising to me:
NW05 Steel Challenge Aug 2015 2015-08-09
Final
Name
SCSA
Class
Division
Time
Stage 1 Smoke & Hope
Stage 2 Closed Quarters
Stage 3 Round About
Stage 4 Double Tap
1
White, Alex
U
RFRO
38.53
9.95
9.18
10.48
8.92
2
Miner, Bradley Jr
U
RFRI
40.14
8.92
8.86
10.20
12.16
3
Paczosa, Connor
U
RFRI
41.96
10.59
10.20
12.53
8.64
4
Kanter, Jeffrey
U
RFRO
44.35
12.57
8.18
12.68
10.92
5
Boyd, Michael
U
OPEN
45.72
12.35
9.18
12.02
12.17
6
Sawicki, Myron
U
RFRO
51.30
14.46
10.40
14.63
11.81
7
Huffman, Joseph
U
RFPI
52.05
13.12
10.14
16.43
12.36
8
Larson, Addison
U
RFPI
52.45
13.78
9.57
17.63
11.47
9
White, Alex
U
RFPO
54.14
20.41
8.92
14.37
10.44
10
Boyd, Michael
U
RFPO
54.70
14.99
11.39
15.94
12.38
11
Larson, Addison
U
RFRO
55.98
12.72
13.46
19.69
10.11
12
Komatsu, Jeff
U
RFPO
56.52
13.88
15.52
14.53
12.59
13
Sawicki, Myron
U
RFPO
59.40
15.94
13.46
16.38
13.62
14
McCurry, Jason
U
RFPO
59.58
14.84
12.97
19.11
12.66
15
Pounders, Thomas
U
RFPO
60.44
16.63
12.56
18.65
12.60
16
Meboe, Greg
U
RFRO
60.56
14.94
10.55
18.45
16.62
17
Potter, Rob
U
LTD
61.07
14.47
13.26
17.26
16.08
18
Sheppard, Bob
U
LTD
62.19
14.65
13.72
18.95
14.87
19
Sawicki, Myron
U
RFPI
62.36
19.93
11.70
19.10
11.63
20
Mortell, Jeffery
U
RFPI
63.27
17.50
12.74
18.89
14.14
21
Dec, Theresa
U
RFPI
63.34
15.33
15.26
19.53
13.22
22
Sheppard, Bob
U
OPEN
63.75
15.37
13.89
19.29
15.20
23
Huffman, Joseph
U
ISP
64.57
15.44
13.81
19.43
15.89
24
Morris, David
U
RFPI
65.49
14.41
15.44
20.14
15.50
25
Miner, Bradley Jr
U
PROD
65.68
12.65
18.78
19.14
15.11
26
Bakken, Lance
U
RFRI
68.93
19.84
14.75
18.76
15.58
27
Kanter, Jeffrey
U
CFI
69.29
16.84
16.40
20.75
15.30
28
Paczosa, Dan
U
PROD
69.33
15.38
15.84
23.38
14.73
29
Tomczyk, Lukasz
U
CFL
70.35
16.58
14.78
22.87
16.12
30
Tomczyk, Lukasz
U
OPEN
70.68
15.15
17.41
22.31
15.81
31
McCurry, Jason
U
PROD
71.55
16.57
15.53
22.41
17.04
32
White, Eric
U
CFL
72.97
16.96
18.20
23.00
14.81
33
Breitkreutz, Gale
U
CFO
73.20
20.54
15.46
19.70
17.50
34
Meboe, Joey
U
RFPI
76.94
16.08
13.62
32.82
14.42
35
Potter, Rebecca
U
LTD
79.48
19.62
19.00
22.77
18.09
36
Komatsu, Jeff
U
CFI
79.56
15.52
21.81
23.91
18.32
37
Skedd, Jim
U
CFL
80.67
19.20
20.50
22.06
18.91
38
Crow, Don
AA5736
U
PROD
81.44
18.30
22.60
21.65
18.89
39
Jensen, John
U
PROD
81.50
18.65
20.95
24.20
17.70
40
Meisner, Mike
U
CFO
83.08
21.00
19.59
25.68
16.81
41
Susan, Kleiner
U
RFPO
85.26
20.05
18.47
25.14
21.60
42
Ridenour, Tim
U
ISR
85.91
21.58
18.02
23.88
22.43
43
Mortell, Jeffrey
U
PROD
89.48
18.80
19.58
33.95
17.15
44
Blackston, Rick
U
PROD
91.23
23.44
22.30
27.19
18.30
45
Meboe, Oscar
U
RFPO
91.97
21.91
16.17
34.37
19.52
46
Bakken, Lance
U
PROD
93.09
29.76
27.83
19.49
16.01
47
Garden, Euan
U
LTD
93.59
21.11
23.30
24.91
24.27
48
Miner, Bradley Sr
U
LTD
95.62
18.57
29.57
23.38
24.10
49
Meboe, Isabelle
U
RFPO
95.70
22.72
18.51
27.88
26.59
50
Dec, Theresa
U
PROD
96.60
18.12
28.40
29.98
20.10
51
Paczosa, Connor
U
PROD
98.63
23.51
22.50
28.03
24.59
52
Bakken, Emily
U
RFPO
99.64
22.87
21.17
32.19
23.41
53
Garcia, Quinlan
U
RFRI
99.68
24.47
16.89
34.75
23.57
54
Pounders, Thomas
U
PROD
103.14
38.05
19.50
27.32
18.27
55
Waak, Jim
U
RFPO
104.13
21.84
27.81
33.03
21.45
56
ALvarez, Ezzy
U
RFPI
104.28
33.02
21.11
32.73
17.42
57
Jarus, Roon
U
PROD
104.72
21.02
22.66
37.65
23.39
58
Wood, Sabrina
U
RFPI
114.91
21.64
20.24
52.87
20.16
59
Pukalo, Chris
U
ISP
115.82
27.79
31.98
29.30
26.75
60
Hurley, Tessina
U
ISP
126.96
25.60
32.40
31.64
37.32
61
Crow, Gail
U
PROD
157.63
32.73
35.05
54.43
35.42
62
Bakken, Emily
U
PROD
160.11
38.79
45.57
44.84
30.91
63
Ma, Kenneth
U
RFPI
–
–
–
20.72
17.17
64
Smith, Tim
U
LTD
–
20.01
–
–
12.74
I’ve been wanting to get my classification stages completed so I could get a better sense of where I stand compared to shooters nationwide. But I keep getting repeats of stages I have already shot. This match was no exception. We had Smoke and Hope and Roundabout as the only two classification stages. At least I improved my centerfire times from my previous 18.76 seconds to 15.44 seconds on Smoke and Hope. But my time on Roundabout went from 18.67 seconds to 19.43 seconds.
With my rimfire pistol I came in 7th overall which is ahead of all the other pistol shooters, including open class pistol shooters. With my centerfire pistol I came in 23rd overall and 3rd among centerfire shooters.
Several months ago Joycie expressed an interest in learning to shoot a gun. She had a couple scary incidents. One where she thought someone was in her house and another incident where a suspicious person was in her backyard.
Of course I immediately offered to take her to the range but for various reasons it didn’t happen right away. Finally Barb made the reservation for the training bay at the local indoor range and Joycie and her husband Michael put that time slot on their schedule. Here is the story from our time on the range last night:
They did the paperwork with the range, got the range safety briefing. We then walked through the normal range with stalls about half full of people shooting. Joycie jumped every shot fired but made it through to the training bay without chickening out. There we took off our hearing protection set up a table about 15 feet from the target line.
I started them out with the Ruger 10/22 with a suppressor so we could talk without hearing protection:
It was really too close for the scoped rifle, the target was just a little bit blurry, and the hits were an inch or so low from the point of aim. But these were new shooters and I wanted to make sure they could hit the paper without difficulty. They both did great with it.
Next I put the suppressor on the Ruger 22/45 and showed them how to shoot it:
Michael had no problems with it but it took Joycie a while to get the hang of getting both sights lined up on the target.
Next they tried the .22 LR revolver:
With no suppressor and such a light gun even the recoil from the .22 was intimidating to Joycie. She was able to settle down enough to get good hits by sitting at the table.
We were running out of time and I gave her the option of a 9mm or .40 S&W pistol or an AR-15. Joycie asked if the AR-15 was an Uzi and if it would shoot out all the bullets one after the other. I smiled and told her no. It was an AR-15 and it shot one bullet for each pull of the trigger just like the other guns she had been shooting. She chose the AR-15.
Michael emptied a 30 round magazine with excellent hits in probably two or three minutes. We were very short on time and Joycie fired maybe five rounds with decent hits before we had to pack up and leave before they locked the doors on us.
As is usual, there was the new shooter smile and Joycie wants to try that again:
Joycie also wants to see what competition is like and may show up to watch a pistol match sometime soon.
I haven’t seen the results from that yet but I expect I came in the top three or so. Maybe 2nd.
I was partially wrong:
Place
Shooter
Division
Points
Time
Hit Factor
1
Joe H.
Open (but iron sights)
261
106.93
2.4408
2
Adam M.
Limited
214
94.18
2.2722
3
Steve P.
Tactical
156
81.21
1.9210
4
Velle K.
Limited
251
133.12
1.8855
5
Don W.
Tactical
198
116.56
1.6987
6
Roger W.
Limited Major
238
147.19
1.6170
7
Jesse W.
Tactical
152
123.47
1.2311
8
Terri B.
Open
242
281.8
0.7878
I had based my estimate on my time. I knew my hits (points) were good but I didn’t know they were that much better than everyone else.
I was a little annoyed that even though I had iron sights on everything I was put in open division simply because my shotgun had detachable magazines. Other people with scopes on their rifles were not in “Open”. I got the last laugh on that though. Adam had his rifle scope fail. It literally broke with internal components displaced and visible through the ocular lens. He was left with attempting to look under the scope along the barrel as best he could, seeing where his hits were, adjusting, and shooting again. He shot fast but had poor hits.
I shot a match at the Lewiston Pistol Club today for the first time in years. In my squad I shot far better than anyone else but that didn’t hold true when extended to the other two squads. I did place first in the Senior category and I came in 4th out of 22 overall:
LPC Aug 2015 USPSA
8/2/2015
Match Results – Combined
Place
Name
Member #
Class
Division
PF
Lady
Mil
Law
For
Match Pts
Match %
1
Mcintosh, Adam
A42720
M
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
434.6087
100.000 %
2
Ervin, Dylan
A87751
A
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
410.6277
94.482 %
3
Meredith, Scott
A87873
B
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
398.5651
91.707 %
4
Huffman, Joe
TY29386
B
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
360.0485
82.844 %
5
Stone, Will
A89845
D
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
358.8812
82.576 %
6
Piper, Steve
A88114
B
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
345.5529
79.509 %
7
Stratton, Sean
A83500
B
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
342.5806
78.825 %
8
Wood, Don
TY25263
B
SS
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
307.4082
70.732 %
9
Wisniewsk, John
U
LTD
MINOR
N
N
N
N
287.5903
66.172 %
10
Watson, Roger 1(L10)
A75534
C
L10
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
286.1616
65.844 %
11
Moore, Bill
TY67422
C
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
267.5720
61.566 %
12
Humann, Jodi
L3876
D
PROD
MINOR
Y
N
N
N
255.6300
58.818 %
13
Watson, Jesse
U
LTD
MINOR
N
N
N
N
248.9564
57.283 %
14
Kolde, Velle 2(LTD)
A29239
U
LTD
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
241.0669
55.468 %
15
Wisniewsk Jr, John
U
LTD
MINOR
N
N
N
N
225.5390
51.895 %
16
Watson, Roger 2(REV)
A75534
B
REV
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
212.4302
48.878 %
17
Simmons, John
FY75133
C
LTD
MINOR
N
N
N
N
198.5667
45.689 %
18
Cogburn, Gene
U
OPEN
MINOR
N
N
N
N
189.1096
43.513 %
19
Mangels, Kim
A91015
U
LTD
MINOR
Y
N
N
N
157.5848
36.259 %
20
Binkley, Teri
OPEN
MAJOR
N
N
N
N
114.5484
26.357 %
21
Stratton, Savanha
U
LTD
MINOR
Y
N
N
N
36.1257
8.312 %
22
Piper, Renee
U
LTD
MINOR
N
N
N
N
27.1287
6.242 %
I probably didn’t get high enough Hit Factor on the Classifier stage to push me back up into the solid B class but since I started shooting with this club back in the mid ‘90s I considered it a win for me if I came in ahead of Don Wood. I accomplished that goal today so I’m pleased.
There was also a three-gun match after the USPSA pistol match. I shot it in as well. I haven’t seen the results from that yet but I expect I came in the top three or so. Maybe 2nd. Some of the other really good shooters had equipment problems. I had one failure to feed with my shotgun but other than that everything ran really well.
It was really nice to visit with people I hadn’t seen in years and catch up on things with everyone.
I should have taken pictures. I don’t know why I didn’t. Maybe because it was hot. I know that part of the time I was not feeling well. Drinking another half liter of water seemed to fix that problem so after that I drank a liter or so at each stage of the match. Did I say it was really hot?
For handguns. Apparently it’s “not an NFA item” because it doesn’t actually attach to the handgun. SO if you duct tape it…
It seems like an OK idea on the surface. Some will of course say that if you “learn to shoot” you won’t need it, that you should be able to get the gun’s inherent accuracy, or near to it, in practice without that kind of support. That’s a nice theory I suppose.
My problem with it would be that the sights are now that much closer and I already have a hard time focusing on the front one as it is unless I’m wearing special corrective lenses or looking through a small aperture. So now I’d need a Glock with a peep sight, which would suck when used at arms length. That or a reflex sight. Or one of those pasty apertures you can stick on your glasses.
I received an email today with a discount code (5% off) for certain gun safes. The code is “FatMarble4u” and is valid for the “Fatboy Jr.” safes in burgundy and grey marble at gunsafes.com.
The prices on their website include shipping, or as they put it, “free shipping”.
USPSA matches frequently have stages which can be shot many different ways. It’s a thinking game almost as much as a shooting game. What is the best way to shoot this stage? And the best way depends on the shooter. Can they easily make long distance shots? Can they run and stop quickly? Can they shoot better over or under obstacles?
One of my biases has always been to run to a set of targets and shoot them from close up rather than shoot from a distance. I consume time running but I can shoot a lot faster and get better hits when I am close to the targets. But there is a tradeoff. If there is only one target then almost always it is going to be better to take your time and make one or two carefully aimed shots rather than run 50 (or more!) feet to hit a full sized USPSA target. So how do you know when you should run and when you should just shoot?
I’ve always just sort of guessed and sometimes had dramatically great results. So much so that I have had better scores than Master class shooters and the shooters who followed me would shoot it “my way” rather than the way others had been shooting it before me.
But how can one know which is the better way, without shooting the stage both ways, rather than relying on intuition? I decided to do some tests. I reserved a bay at the local indoor gun range and placed a bunch of USPSA targets at the end of the range. I then moved back various distances and tried shooting the targets various ways.
In each test I shot carefully enough to get all A-zone hits.
At 15 yards I found I could run to about one yard away from the targets and then get a single shot on the first target in about 3.5 seconds. The second shot on a target required about 0.20 seconds. As I moved parallel to the target line the transition to each new target required 0.40 seconds. From 20 yards the run time was about 4.4 seconds with, of course, the same splits on the targets as I moved parallel to the target line.
From a low ready position at 15 yards it took me about 1.3 seconds for the first shot with splits of about 0.55 seconds regardless of whether it was the same or a different target. From 20 yards it was about the same acquisition time for the first target but with splits of about 0.95 seconds.
I also tried shooting at the same time I moved toward the targets. This took much longer than either of the other methods.
From this information I made a spreadsheet that allowed me to explore the decision as to run and shoot or just shoot. The results surprised me. I expected that at greater distances it would be require more targets to make it more worthwhile to just stand and shoot rather than just shoot. But that wasn’t the case.
At 15 yards I should run and shoot if there are five or more targets. Otherwise I should just stand and shoot. At 20 yards I should run and shoot if there are only three or more targets.
It turns out the time to run goes up linearly with the distance but the additional split time (compared to shooting from one yard away) goes up at a faster rate. I was going to extrapolate from these two data points to different ranges but with the split time varying in a non-linear fashion I need more data to be able to do a proper extrapolation.
On Monday evening I received an email saying the normal match was canceled. No reason given. On Tuesday morning I got another email saying “Change of plans…The Steel Match is back on for this Saturday the 25th.”
It was a cool and cloudy day and sort of dreary but I have never been on a ferry ride that I didn’t like:
Chatting with people before the match I found out the reason for the cancellation was because the weather forecast was for rain. The reason for having the match anyway was because a couple people sent email saying they wanted to have the match anyway. It was sprinkling a little bit before the match. During the match only a few drops came down but we didn’t get wet.
We suspected the questionable weather was the reason for there being only eight people who showed up. With only eight people we just ran one squad and had more time to socialize during the match than usual.
The stages weren’t quite as interesting as they have been sometimes but there was a good variety. As is usual for this match they use a yellow stop plate:
In most of the pictures if you look closely enough (click on the picture for a higher resolution photo), you can see the tennis ball used for the aiming point for starting if you aren’t using a holster. No one uses a holster for rimfire guns and combined with the lower recoil the rimfire people turn in some really great times.
That last stage is very similar to the stage we called “Drag Race” at the March 28th match:
The stage yesterday was a little slower than back in March because of the position of the stop plate but I still did well on it. Some people were impressed with one string in particular which, IIRC, using my STI in .40 S&W, I completed in 2.93 seconds with 1.59 seconds used for the draw and first shot. I know it was below three seconds because Jeff said that was the time he wanted to beat. He came very close. He had one string of, IIRC, 3.08 seconds. And one of 3.15 which included a miss, and a makeup shot, on the stop plate. If he had not missed it would have been 2.75 seconds. Also of note is that all the other centerfire shooters were using 9mm which has a lower recoil but I do fine with the .40.
To me, even though I can repeatedly do it, it’s almost unbelievable to be able to draw and shoot five targets of that size, at that distance, in about three seconds. After consuming 1.5 seconds on the draw and first shot the split times between the other shots average a third of second.
Both my guns ran perfectly and although I had a few misses things went well.
I participated in a USPSA match on Sunday. It was the largest local match I have ever participated in. Originally they told us 97 people were attending but the results only show 92 so maybe some people left without shooting. That would be entirely understandable. It was a hot day for the Seattle area. It was 97 F when I left. The sweat was dripping off of me most of the time and I consumed two liters of water without once using the bathroom. Including my travel and registration time I spent 10 hours participating. It’s a good thing it was fun.
Marysville Rifle Club has stages that are more complex and challenging than those I have found at any other club. Don’t fool yourself into even thinking for even a millisecond these are anything like real life scenarios. They are problems to be solved using gun skills and your ability to move. It’s a game and this match demonstrated it better than any other match I have attended.
Here is an example:
Where, in real life, might you find something that looks like this?
Other stages were difficult because there were targets which were hard to find even when you weren’t on the clock. I, as well as many others, overlooked one target because of this and got a lot of penalties for it.
One stage required us to run about 60 feet then shoot a bunch of targets. I ran, shot targets, started to move to the next set of targets and reached for one of my four spare magazines on my belt. Three of them were gone. My stopping at the first set of targets caused the magazines to fall out of their holsters. This was a 30 round stage and I had just dropped one of my two remaining magazines that still had ammo in it. I had planned to do another reload when I moved between target arrays again. The magazine that remained was my one special magazine. It has a special follower that allows it to hold 19 rounds of .40 S&W. Along with the “super powers” the follower has a flaw. It doesn’t lock back the slide when the gun is empty. For this reason I don’t normally use it but it gave me 20 rounds in the gun and I decided to continue on without going back to look for the missing magazines or pick up the one I just dropped from the gun. I finished the stage with one round to spare.
An unusual thing did happened on a couple stages which can be blamed on the polymer coated lead bullets. They produce a lot of smoke. When shooting targets in deep shadows while the gun is in the bright sunlight the targets would sometimes nearly disappear in the smoke after a couple shots. The smoke reflected the sunlight creating a bright cloud between me and the targets.
As interesting as the previous stages were they weren’t the “best” one. Check this one out:
See the Texas Star on the right? Here is someone shooting one the conventional way:
In our case we had two Texas Stars. One on each side of the barricade. We also started the stage over 100 feet away and had to shoot 11 other targets on the way to the barricade.
It turns out that barricade has a special name. It’s called a Rhodesian Wall. The 1996 January/February issue of Front Sight, the USPSA magazine, had this to say about Rhodesian Walls:
With a Rhodesian Wall, which is not commonly used any more, the shooting position is a raised box behind a wall with a stout rope hanging down the middle. The problem is that the wall is so wide that you can’t shoot around it except by holding onto the rope with one hand, leaning around the edge and shooting one-handed while keeping the feet on the box.
Here is one of the participants in Sunday’s match practicing on the wall:
Yes. You had to shoot small moving targets one handed, around both sides of a barricade, while dangling from a rope, after running over 100 feet.
I have never seen such a difficult stage before. Many people in our squad ran out of ammo before hitting all the plates on the Texas Stars. One guy left three plates on one star and hadn’t even shot at the other one. With misses like that you end up getting a zero on the stage. There were stage times approaching 200 seconds. And I saw one guy get disqualified for breaking the 180 on this stage.
Fortunately last Thursday I went to the range and practiced my one handed shooting. I did well on this stage completing it in 42.12 seconds (an average of 1.316 seconds per shot) with no misses. I had good hits on the paper and got 154 points. The Grandmaster shooters in Limited came in with times of 32.80, 36.83, and 39.48 seconds with points in the range of 150 to 152. This put me at 7th out of 33 in Limited Division and 13th out of 92 overall.
That was my high point of the match. I also did decent on the classifier for a change. I might actually get my classification back up into the B range with that stage.
The worst stage was where I overlooked the target and had a miss on another target racking up 40 points in penalties.
Overall I was pleased with the results. My gun ran perfectly. But the fiber optic front sight insert did disappear sometime along the way, I think it might have been on the Rhodesian Wall stage. It is very fragile and I had to shoot through a port there (as well as several other stages) and it is easy to bump it on the edges of the port. But the irons were still fine and I didn’t really miss it.
I tested out some different .40 S&W ammo the other day. Although I usually use my reloads I like to know which factory ammo can also be used. I seldom have reliability problems with centerfire ammo but accuracy is frequently a problem.
I was very pleased to discover that Federal RTP40180 (RTP => Range Target Practice) did well in my STI DVC Limited. The two groups below are offhand at 10 yards and 25 yards:
Ry and I went to a steel challenge match yesterday. I shot both a .22 and my STI. The .22 ran perfectly. But with my STI I had one round with an oversized spot (0.434”, versus the specified 0.4241”) just above the extractor groove which locked up the gun hard. I had to grip the slide tightly and bang away on the grip with the palm of my hand to get the round extracted.
I had about 100 rounds of the polymer coated lead bullet cartridges left. About half of them would not fit in the case gauge. Last week I purchased the Lee Precision 40SW10-mm Carbide Factory Crimp Die and ran all the rounds through that die and tested about 20 or 30 cartridges. They all fit or were just a little tight. I tested the tight ones in my barrel and found they dropped in just fine. I didn’t bother to run all of them through the case gauge and paid the price for it. I think it may have come from an old batch of reloads from before I started putting all my brass through the Redding G-RX Carbide Push Thru Base Sizing Die. I had assembled thousands of rounds with that brand of bullet before I got the die. Some of the older rounds could have gotten mixed up with some of the newer ones. It didn’t matter as long as I was using my old gun, but it matters a lot with the new one.
Anyway… I finished off all of the existing rounds that might have the problem and should be fine for the future as long as I used both the specialized dies for the new gun with the tight chamber.
I’m pretty pleased with the results. I was top Senior in Rimfire and came in second Senior in the Main Match. If I had practiced a few times in the two weeks prior I might have done a little better but for the most part things were going pretty well for me. Ry took a few videos of me on stage 1 (see also here, here, here, and here).
Here is a video of four of Ry’s runs on a different, far more difficult, stage:
The most disappointing part of the match was that, as she vowed last time, Taylor didn’t hang out with me this time.
Even with the malfunctions I had I won in my classes. I felt like I was shooting very well. I wasn’t thinking, I just moved the gun past the targets and it went off when the sights were on the targets. Misses were rare. It feels really good to have things working like that again.
There were five stages. The times are the sum of all the best four of five strings fired on each stage. So with five stages and four strings per stage you can figure out that I averaged 3.86 seconds per string with my centerfire pistol. That is 3.86 seconds for a draw and five shots on five different targets.
With the rimfire pistol it was an average 3.57 seconds per string. With the rimfire pistol I did not have to draw. The start position for the pistol was pointing at the tennis ball you see in each of the pictures below:
This was a very fast stage. I think I had a couple runs that were under two seconds.
The cartridge still failed to chamber when stripped off the magazine by the slide when I tried it again at home. The bullet in that cartridge was seated too deep by about 0.040”. None of the others were too deep so I suspect it happened during the chambering of the cartridge. I pulled the bullet and reseated it at the proper depth and it chambered just fine. Hmmm… maybe the crimp just isn’t tight enough, the bullet gets driven deeper into the case, then the cartridge fails to nose down into the chamber as it comes off the magazine.
I shot in another steel match yesterday to get more samples.* On the first stage the first few strings went fine then a round failed to chamber the entire depth. I couldn’t pull the slide back. The gun was essentially locked up. I dropped the magazine, held tight to the slide then pounded the grip forward with the web and palm of my hand. The extractor pulled the round out and it was ejected. I put in a fresh magazine and completed the string in 17.xx seconds. I switched to my Montana Gold JHP handloads for the rest of the match and had no more problems.
I brought home the problem round and put in the case gauge. It fit just fine. I put it in a magazine and tried to to chamber it. It failed to chamber all the way. I tried dropping it directly into the chamber and dropping the slide. It chambered but again I couldn’t extract it without slamming my hand into the grip.
But the round fits just fine in the case gauge!
I measured the round. At the largest point it is 0.425”. The specification for .40 S&W is 0.423. So, it is oversized by 0.002”. But CASE GAUGE!
Hmmm… Maybe I have another case gauge around here… I did. I had lost one for a while and purchased another. I pulled out the other case gauge and the cartridge failed, big time.
These pictures are of the same cartridge in two different case gauges:
In the picture on the left I applied a couple ounces of pressure to get it to seat all the way. In the second picture I put the maximum amount of pressure I could comfortably apply with my thumb to get it in that far.
So why is just the ammo with the polymer coated lead bullets giving me problems?
I measured a few bullets. Depending upon which axis I measure the bullets they have a diameter of 0.400” to 0.403”. The specification is 0.401”. The Montana Gold JHPs I measured have a diameter of 0.399.
Here is the cartridge:
You can’t really see it but you can feel a bulge where the base of the bullet is in the cartridge.
Five conclusions:
With a slightly over spec bullet and probably max thickness brass** I end up with an oversized cartridge.
The Midway case gauge, on the left, is slightly oversized.
My gun has a minimum sized chamber.
Two thousands of an inch can make a huge difference in the reliability of a gun.
I must use the L.E. Wilson case gauge (on the right above) for this gun.
I might be able to use the Midway gauge for some other gun(s).
Scary thought… Can you imagine needing your gun in a life or death situation and losing the fight because of two thousands of an inch?
* I can’t use this ammo at indoor ranges and I don’t have easy access to any outdoor ranges except when I shoot at matches.
** Not all cartridges with polymer coated lead bullets fail the tighter case gauge. Only some of them fail.
Pretty interesting. I was confused for a bit though, until I realized that by “excessive headspace” the author really means “excessive case length” which would result in inadequate headspace. Using the shorter 40 S&W cartridge in a 10 mm barrel results in excessive headspace, so it’s a sort of Opposite Day article in that regard. It’s a well-written and interesting article otherwise.
The greater implication, at least for Glock shooters, is that you can go ahead and trim your brass at or below minimum spec and the gun will run just as well and possibly better. This would explain some of the commercial ammo I’ve seen, which has what appears to be a roll crimp rather than the prescribed taper crimp. That COULD result in a dangerous situation, as the crimp opens up across the chamber shoulder. So long as the case is short enough though, that the case mouth never touches the chamber shoulder, everything’s fine and dandy.
I’m one of those people who regularly checks finished rounds by plunking them down into the chamber (barrel removed from gun) to check for headspace. That’s a fine idea for several reasons, but this article puts all that into a rather different light when it comes to Glocks.
I have some 40 ammo lying around, though I don’t own any guns chambered for it, so now of course I’ll have to try it in my G20.
As an aside; I wish we could get past the little, political/legal/social dance we often perform when it comes to disclaimers. The author of that article asserts that using 40 in a 10 is actually safer than using 10 in a 10 or 40 in a 40, but still feels the need to dance the “Don’t try this at home, Kids” dance. I understand how this social twitch came about (I witnessed the whole thing) but really you can stop any time you like.
Yesterday I participated in the Washington State Steel Championship. I knew this was going to be a whole new level of competitors for me and I didn’t expect to have results that would appear to be anything beyond, maybe, average. After shooting a couple stages I was concerned I would come in dead last even though, from my perspective, I was shooting pretty good. I was clearly the slowest shooter in my squad.
I started out shooting polymer coated lead bullets in my STI. These have almost zero hazard of bullet fragments returning to hit shooters and observers. I had put every single round through the case gauge and hoped that would fix my feeding problems I had last week. The first and second stages were fine. On the third stage I had one failure. On the fourth stage I had something like five or six with one set of three failures in a row.
I brought out my handloads made with Montana Gold JHPs which I also had run through the case gauge. I switched to that ammo and never had another failure. There were lots of fragments coming back but that was no different than anyone else.
I was shooting fairly consistently. I had few misses but many of the other shooters on my squad would have multiple misses and still have times a second less than me. And this when my time for a string might be in the four to five second range. So they were shooting, including multiple misses, in 25 to 30 percent less time than me.
Pat Kelley was in my squad and there were other shooters in our squad doing as well or better than he was. I consider Kelley god-like with a shotgun and wonder of nature with any other gun.
The overall results are here. I came in 44th with my iron sighted .22 and 58th with my STI in .40. This is out of 105 entries. I was actually concerned that I would come in dead last so I feel pretty good about being in the middle of the pack.
When was the last time you saw toy guns advertised on T.V.? Many people would consider it evil.
Not many people alive today will remember Roy Rogers. But once upon a time he had a radio series, a television series, was in numerous movies, and was a model for honor, honesty, and clean living.
I’m not sure shooting two different guns was a good idea. The trigger pull on the two was quite different and several times my new STI went off before I expected it to and I missed the targets. I also had problems with jams on the new STI. The cartridges would just start into the chamber and then stop. There were also some rounds that were very tight in the chamber. I suspected my handloads were the problem.
When I got home I looked at the ammo. I think I don’t have enough crimp on my handloads. The factory ammo has a noticeable crimp. My handloads are crimped just enough to have a straight case wall. I also know that not all my handloads would pass the case gauge. If they didn’t I would test them in the chamber of my old STI and throw them into the ammo can anyway. Since that barrel is history I need to run all my rounds through the case gauge again. I probably should crimp them a little more too. I’m going to the International Steel Shooting Association Washington State Championship (ISSA is different from the Steel Challenge Shooting Association) on Saturday so I need to get my gun working this week.
Despite not feeling well, the trigger pull issue, and the jamming problems I did manage to decrease my times on Pendulum and Roundabout. Previously I had times of 30.87 and 23.43. This time I achieved times of 28.66 and 18.67. Smoke and Hope was slightly worse with 19.16 when I had a time of 18.76 in March. I also won my division with the STI.
I wish the club would use some different classifier stages. I need 5 to Go, Showdown, Outer Limits, and Speed Option before I can really know my level compared to other people.