Hilarious to see them still beating this drum when we have just seen the broadest carry rights expansion in US history. After Bruen, the antigun holdouts like New York, California, and New Jersey were forced to issue permits to the broader public for the first time. At the same time, lots of formerly shall-issue states have adopted constitutional carry.
A study from Stanford University of four decades of data found that states that adopted more liberal gun carry laws, and therefore more civilian gun carrying, saw an increase in violent crime of from 13% to 15%. Numerous studies of states that have adopted broad “stand your ground” laws (meaning that people when confronted with a perceived threat in public had no duty to retreat) and that also have liberal gun carry policies have seen significantly higher rates of gun killings. A study of intimate partner violence found that such violence was three times more likely when guns were present. In short, more guns lead to more crime.
So if there was ever a way to “stress test” whether an expanded right to carry leads to more violence, this was it. The result? We are now experiencing the lowest national homicide rate in modern US history, and it’s still dropping.
The predictions of people like Spitzer and his gun control group allies were totally wrong. They should be discredited.
The highlighted area of the quote is Moros quoting Robert Spitzer. Spitzer, almost for certain, conflates “gun killings” with crime. I remember the time after the Boston Marathon bombing when the anti-gun crowd was doing a protest of gun ownership, and they read a long list of people killed with guns. One of the deceased they were using as evidence of “guns bad, ban guns” was one of the terrorist bombers killed by the police when the terrorist was cornered made his last stand. They cannot distinguish between justified and unjustified homicide and/or they deliberate equate them to increase the numbers.
“My correction to Moros’s otherwise excellent post is, they do not need to be discredited. They have been discredited.”
Only for people paying attention. They are still treated as reasonable people to listen to by FAR too many (largely because of media influence, but still).
They need to be discredited *with everyone*. Or at least “the public” generally speaking. That has not happened yet.
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“My correction to Moros’s otherwise excellent post is, they do not need to be discredited. They have been discredited.”
Perfect.
And the only thing I might add is, By reason of insanity.
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Yes, They have a defect of mind that insists on applying the same rule one would apply between friends or acquaintances in a bar fight to a confrontation between yourself and a stranger outside the grocery store at 10 PM when he wants all the money you didn’t spend in the grocery store. This defect of mind, called, I think, a “Category Error”, has been so consistently applied to the matter of crime for so long, I cannot call it anything but a defect of mind, which MTHead rightly calls insanity.
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Others have made their observations to this line, but I’ll add mine anyway:
My correction to Moros’s otherwise excellent post is, they do not need to be discredited. They have been discredited.
As long as there’s still someone who takes them seriously, they have not been discredited enough. We still have work to do.
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Remember, an “Expert” is anyone who calls his resume a Curriculum Vitae and is more than fifty miles from home, with lodging and meals reimbursed by an expense account.
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The left has NEVER allowed facts…or reality…to get in the way of their agenda. And since they OWN the GOP the odds of them eventually prevailing are pretty damn good.
“My correction to Moros’s otherwise excellent post is, they do not need to be discredited. They have been discredited.”
Only for people paying attention. They are still treated as reasonable people to listen to by FAR too many (largely because of media influence, but still).
They need to be discredited *with everyone*. Or at least “the public” generally speaking. That has not happened yet.
“My correction to Moros’s otherwise excellent post is, they do not need to be discredited. They have been discredited.”
Perfect.
And the only thing I might add is, By reason of insanity.
Yes, They have a defect of mind that insists on applying the same rule one would apply between friends or acquaintances in a bar fight to a confrontation between yourself and a stranger outside the grocery store at 10 PM when he wants all the money you didn’t spend in the grocery store. This defect of mind, called, I think, a “Category Error”, has been so consistently applied to the matter of crime for so long, I cannot call it anything but a defect of mind, which MTHead rightly calls insanity.
Others have made their observations to this line, but I’ll add mine anyway:
My correction to Moros’s otherwise excellent post is, they do not need to be discredited. They have been discredited.
As long as there’s still someone who takes them seriously, they have not been discredited enough. We still have work to do.
Remember, an “Expert” is anyone who calls his resume a Curriculum Vitae and is more than fifty miles from home, with lodging and meals reimbursed by an expense account.
The left has NEVER allowed facts…or reality…to get in the way of their agenda. And since they OWN the GOP the odds of them eventually prevailing are pretty damn good.