Quote of the day—clintack

To a leftist, reacting to gun-grabbing rhetoric by buying a gun is incomprehensible. The President just explained that guns are bad. Why would you want to self-identify as a bad person? People who would do that are probably dangerously insane.

clintack
December 11, 2015
Comment to White House Spokesman: Surging Gun Sales a Tragic Irony
[I suspect there is more than a little truth to this. It has to do with their desire to conform with the norms of their tribe. Individualism is not something they really understand.—Joe]

They don’t trust you with a gun

From Robert J. Avrech, Jew With Gun:

Breslau-Jews-disarmed

As has been said by others, if they don’t want you to have a gun it’s probably because they want to do something to you and you would use the gun to resist..

Quote of the day—Robert J. Avrech

There is no such thing as gun violence.

The left uses the absurd phrase “gun violence” in order to rid our culture of human agency — in other words, of morality. The left denies the notion of good and evil just as it denies IslamoNazi terror, a malignant ideology that is spreading like cancer across the globe.

When two IslamoNazis unleashed terror in San Bernardino, President Obama and the Praetorian media defaulted to their anti-gun obsession, a blizzard of Tourette’s-style rhetoric with no connection to reality. The Democrat party’s solution to the scourge of IslamoNazi terror is to disarm honest citizens. In the fantasyland Democrats inhabit, all they have to do is pass laws and the monsters who terrorize us — IslamoNazis and drug-dealing gangbangers — will vanish.

The real world does not conform to such delusions…

Robert J. Avrech
December 22, 2015
Jew With Gun
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Don Kaag

So President Obama is welcome to sign all of the illegal executive orders he wants, where the rubber meets the road is who comes for our guns. And “assault weapons” are the least of their problems, because as a former professional military guy with 20+ years of service I have to tell you that as a commander sitting in the TC hatch of a tank or a Stryker or a Bradley the thing I would worry about most is a local deer/elk hunter with a dialed-in, high-powered, scoped, bolt-action rifle and the skill to hit me with one round in the head at 300 meters. “Molon Labe!”

Don Kaag
December 23, 2015
Facebook comment to Quote of the day—Kurt Schlichter
[Attend Boomershoot to learn and practice for 700 yards.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Brett Peppe

What people can do with what they buy at the gun store doesn’t bother me much. It’s what the brilliant molecular biologist who has gone sideways can do in his basement in mayonnaise jars that absolutely terrifies me.

Brett Peppe
December 22, 2015
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Kurt Schlichter

So, how do liberals get their wish for a disarmed, subservient population? Because all this talk of gun banning – and now they are finally admitting that they want to take our guns – raises some practical questions. Not least among them is how you get a hundred million-plus armed citizens to cheerfully turn over their firearms at the behest of a bunch of liberals who have nothing but contempt for normal Americans.

Don’t count on our guys in uniform killing or dying to please a bunch of coastal liberals determined to turn American citizens into defenseless subjects. And the special snowflake spawn of the coastal elites certainly aren’t going to emerge from their safe spaces and gender studies seminars to suit up in Kevlar and kick in doors in Middle America.

Kurt Schlichter
December 17, 2015
Here’s What A Liberal ‘Gun-Grab’ Would Look Like And Why It Would Ultimately Fail
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

Quote of the day—David Hale

Fuck you Connecticut Carry … go buy some Viagra if you need to open carry in order to get a hard on. Malloy has what you lack in abundance … balls! And yeah, America has much more to fear from you piss ant little boys who need your toys than we ever had to fear from the refugees. Go off in a closet and jerk your tiny dicks … we ARE coming for your fucking automatic weapons you fucking dick heads! NO MORE SANDY HOOKS just so you can get hard!

David Hale
December 13, 2015
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday!

Via email from Rich B. of Connecticut Carry, Inc.

When all they have is ignorance and hate this is what you get. It’s the best they have.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Dana Loesch

Women have always had the right to bear arms, we have had the right to bear arms before we had the right to vote.  I just get mad when I hear people say I can’t carry here, or shouldn’t carry at all or that I need a magazine capacity restriction. Those people make me angry because they put me in danger and my children in danger. If they can hire personal security they can’t tell me how I can protect my children. They are trying to put me and other women at risk.

Dana Loesch
April 18, 2015
Dana Loesch – Truly A Well Armed Woman
[Of course they are trying to put women at risk. Then they can claim to be protecting them by passing still more laws. The more self reliant individuals are the less need there is for powerful politicians.—Joe]

Quote of the day—donna in evanston

Yes, restrict gun ownership.  Eliminate concealed carry.  Ban semi-automatic weapons.  Ban handguns.  Make it damned hard to buy a gun. Make a gun purchase take years.  Investigate the shit out of whomever wants a gun.  Then post the names of the gun owners all over the Internet and list them in the newspapers… right next to the obituaries.

donna in evanston
December 14, 2012
Yes, Mr. President, Take Their Guns Away
[Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Not in his lifetime

Fred Hiatt wants a gun-free society and isn’t afraid to share his bizarre mindset with everyone:

Maybe it’s time to start using the words that the NRA has turned into unmentionables.

Prohibition.

Mass buyback.

A gun-free society.

Let’s say that one again: A gun-free society.

Doesn’t it sound logical? Doesn’t it sound safe?

I don’t know what sort of mind altering drugs he is using but his reality is seriously warped. There is no logic in it as he doesn’t consider the tradeoffs. He only considers the downside of private gun ownership without considering the benefits or the infringement of rights involved in the confiscation of privately owned guns. As for safe, well, ask the tens (or hundreds depending which statistics you want to use) of millions of unarmed and disarmed private citizens murdered by their own governments in the 20th century. Yeah, they seem to be pretty quiet on the topic because they are all dead.

As I have said several times before, the reason they are all coming out of the closet now is the anti-gun people are on a downward slope to oblivion and this is the shrieking as they approach the abyss. It’s a well known psychological phenomena. With the right circumstances and when confronted with unequivocal disconfirmation they will increase their proselyting of the unsupportable belief.

Regardless of his poor mental state don’t every let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.

And if you get a chance, tell Hiatt the U.S. isn’t going to have a gun free society in his lifetime.

Lies, distortions, and ignoring the law

From The Seattle Times:

Building on California’s longstanding ban on assault weapons, the state’s lieutenant governor is preparing a 2016 ballot measure calling for even tighter restrictions, including background checks on ammunition sales.

Until a majority in Congress stands up to the bullying of the gun lobby, states must take action to reduce the proliferation of weaponry that maximizes one’s ability to kill fellow humans.

Washington state should follow suit by banning assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. This would increase the safety of its residents and signal a stance firmly against gun violence.

Editorial board members are editorial page editor Kate Riley, Frank A. Blethen, Ryan Blethen, Brier Dudley, Mark Higgins, Jonathan Martin, Thanh Tan, Blanca Torres, William K. Blethen (emeritus) and Robert C. Blethen (emeritus).

Bullying is done by the strong forcing their will upon the weak. The “gun lobby” is a collection of people standing up against the attacks against our specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms. If, by some miracle the politicians no longer had an interest in attacking us “the gun lobby” would wither up and go away. So who’s the bully here? It’s those politicians and their coconspirators in the media who keep tying to force their will upon us.

It would increase the safety of Washington State residents? Really? Do they have documentation for that? And even if they did, it would still be an infringement of a specific enumerated right, it would be ignored by most, and vigorously resisted by nearly all the others. How would this increase safety for anyone?

But telling the truth doesn’t work for them. They have to lie, distort, and ignore the Bill of Rights and the Washington State Constitution to get their way.

I’m pleased to note the online comments are running about 50 to one against them.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns:

This is what they think of you

If you own a gun or are thinking of owning a gun for personal protection you need to know what some of the anti-gun people think of you. This is from Green Bay 4 Bernie‏@BernieNda4 (H/T to Linoge for the tweet):

there is no such thing as self defence it is murder

Now that you know that you can comfortable ignore or mock them and anything else they might have to say on the topic of guns.

Quote of the day—Michael Z. Williamson

It is essential that we stop this sort of rampant assininity, and it proves the point that the neurotic gun haters will never be satisifed. Bans on full auto are not enough, bans on self-loading sporting rifles don’t sate them, bans on 1930s military collectibles are only a waystop.  We’ve reached the point where a 19TH CENTURY RELIC is an “assault weapon.”

DC has already ruled that a lead muzzle loader projectile, with neither rifle nor powder, is a felonious weapon.

We must fight the war with reason, rhetoric and the law now, or we will most certainly have to fight it later in the streets.

Michael Z. Williamson
December 15, 2015
The Slippery Slope of Definitions
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Bob

All this talk of theirs has gotten really tiring. These guys need to start kicking down doors or STFU.

Bob
December 9, 2015
Comment to Bring it.
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

Markley’s Law, ignorance, hate, and violence

Somehow I don’t think this is the most effective way to convince people of their righteous. It just makes people laugh.

The following is brought you by David Hale on Facebook:

Listen brianless, I live nine miles from Newtown; those could have been my two sons with their brains blasted out because some nitwit mother thought it would be cool to teach her mental ill son how to shoot an automatic weapon. Had Adam Lanza NOT had access to his AR, would he still have shown with smaller caliber weapons? Possibly, but most likely SOME of those first graders would have survived. But you and your sick friends don;t give a shit about that; all you care about is how hard your dick gets when you drive your BMW to the range to shoot you “big boy” weapons. Amazing how none of you brave sons of bitches volunteers to fight in a real war. Take your perceived (and incorrect) right and stick it up your ass! We ARE coming for your fucking guns!

And this:

No, Dickhead I refuse to acknowledge your word for word talking points as you have been pathologically programmed to spout by that criminal Wayne LaPierre and his whores for the gun industry. You will never acknowledge that people would be alive today if weapons of mass destruction for use by the military to kill large amounts of people in as little time as possible were not allowed in the hands of amateurs. But agin, that’s because you and your little group of gun lovers (emphasis on the word lovers since you need them to get it up) have no sense of decency, are hugely narcissistic and probably would stand up for your rights to target shoot even if some maniac pumped a dozen rounds into your own child. Sick, sick, sick.

And this:

Giggle? Glad on this date you find this all so funny, you sick fuck. Sorry to disturb you … go back to jerking off on your weapons dickhead.

And then on to the violence:

And before I delete you from my page, let me reiterate … with the Governor and two US Senators leading the way, Connecticut IS coming for you guns dickhead. Hopefully we will pry them from your cold, dead hands.

We have facts and SCOTUS decisions on our side. They have Markley’s Law, ignorance, hate, and threats of violence. It’s the best they can come up with.

Delusions are often functional

From Twitter after my QOTD (scheduled for April 25, 2016, but due to a software bug is live now):

@JoeHuffman Is a divisive, old, tiny prick who was picked on in HS. We’ve always had guns and #MassShootings is new normal. Find a solution

bachety ‏@mbachety
December 11, 8:22 PM

Guys like @JoeHuffman are the problem. Our nation needs solutions to #GunViolence We’ve always had guns but not #MassShootings

bachety ‏@mbachety
December 11, 8:31 PM

I find it very telling his description of me having never met. Does he imagine he is capable of remote viewing or telepathy?

Old? Maybe. I have a grandson, does that make me old? Everything else is totally wrong.

Divisive? Wow. I get along so well with so many people that the other day one of my co-workers has to explain to me, in great detail, why someone else was, “A douche bag.”

Tiny? I’m 6’ 3” and 200 pounds. That isn’t tiny in my universe. I wonder what color the sky is in his.

I wasn’t picked on in high school. I was large then too and athletic—I was a three-year letterman. I only remember getting picked on once. Henry S. kicked me for some reason. He apologized and promised to never do it again after I caught up with him at the locked back door into the school. After some gentle persuasion he and I got along just fine.

I’m the problem in some way related to mass shootings? I’m still trying to figure out what color the sky is in his universe.

As Heinlein said, “Delusions are often functional.” In this case it helps bachety cope with his lack of facts and rational arguments about gun owners.

Quote of the day—43north

1) NO handguns.  Handgun Control Inc., became the Brady Campaign.

2) NO rifles, and no hunting, as that’s the well-worn excuse for having the damned things.
People get their food from the grocery store, not the open range.  The danger of these guns, which can all be traced to some current or long-ago military arm, is too great.  Become a vegan, all animal-sourced foods are cruel.

3) NO shotguns. 
The FBI crime lab can’t do a “ballistic fingerprint” of a shotgun.  They’re outlawed by the Geneva Convention for use in war.  They contribute lead contamination and undermine threatened and endangered species preservation efforts.

43north
July 23, 2012
Comment to The NRA claims 4.3 million members. The Brady Campaign might have under 29,000.
[Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns. ALL your guns.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Phoebe Maltz Bovy

Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police. Not just because of San Bernardino, or whichever mass shooting may pop up next, but also not not because of those. Don’t sort the population into those who might do something evil or foolish or self-destructive with a gun and those who surely will not. As if this could be known—as if it could be assessed without massively violating civil liberties and stigmatizing the mentally ill. Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.

Phoebe Maltz Bovy
December 10, 2015
It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
[Via email from Barron.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you than no one wants to take your guns.

There is no political hope for these anti-gun people to accomplish their goals. There is no culture support for their goals. In fact it is just the opposite. Support for the right to keep and bear arms has not been stronger in decades and these people know that. When certain conditions are all met people who are absolutely, without any doubt, proven wrong their reaction is to increase proselyting their failed beliefs. Those conditions have been met and we are now seeing that increased proselyting. Read the book.

See also my other posts on this topic.—Joe]

Here’s their plan

If anyone ever tells you “no one wants to take your guns” you can just point them at the NYT or any number of other people that have some vague thought of “ban guns” without any thought given to how that might actually be carried out. And we, rightly so, claim they don’t understand what would be involved in such an effort.

Here is someone who as thought it through a bit more. And note that they envisioned Act II Step 1 as happening today, December 11, 2015:

What has to go?
All magazine fed, self-loading firearms.
Yes, that means handguns too.
Yes, that includes your 4 shot Remington hunting rifle.

Act I Step 1:
The POTUS issues a EO, commanding the BATFE to “audit dealer records” – ie, look for “strawman sales” by reviewing each of the dealers Form 4473 records.
This is actually easier if the dealer has adopted the eForm 4473

For handwritten forms, an OCR scanner would be carried, the form scanned, and information corrected on a laptop prior to the next scan.

What can’t be done? Is hold a news conference.
It can’t be done by BATFE Agents alone, as this demands too many bodies in too many locations, at the very same time.

We as a nation, will have to let a few things slide, while various agencies supply personnel to work with BATFE Agents.
Yes, a same day, nationwide “I’m here to review your records”.  Close every single gun seller that day, days, or week(s) until the audit is complete.  Sold a hundred guns in your entire existence? We’ll be gone by 4pm today.  Sell a hundred per day?  You can re-open after the end of the year.
It’ll put you out of business?  Impact hunting season and holiday sales? (Which next to DiFi’s failed AWB II is the most money you make in a year?)  That’s sad.
CLOSED… can read GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
We score that as a win… you and your fellow death merchants can retrain as Baristas.

So, now we have ALL the records scanned… and a comprehensive list of who purchased what gun where.  Those are sorted for make and model.

Shotguns.
Semi-auto shotguns.

Rifles.
Semi-auto rifles.

Rimfire rifles.
Semi-auto rimfire rifles.

Handguns.
Semi-auto handguns.

(save ALL of this data for later)

Step 2: permit the dealers to reopen – however, now the eForm 4473 is 100% required,
and in a slight tweak, batch processing is done once a week, where the forms are uploaded “to the cloud”.
(as-if ‘the cloud’ isn’t on those servers already)

Step 3: Prioritize you list.

Act II Step 1:

Strike a deal with the Republicans.  For public consumption, word it as ambiguously as possible… as was the ACA (just pass it and we’ll find out what’s in it) and stuff it into the next Continuing Resolution.

On this 11th day of December, 2015 this 114th Congress does hereby resolve to instruct the Department of Justice to audit all Federally Licensed Firearm retailers for compliance with 18 USC as condition of their license, and direct all necessary resources to do same.  The Director of the BATFE, the Attorney General of the United States, and the Director of Homeland Security may adopt policies and procedures necessary to effect this Congressional mandate.

About those Republicans:
First, they’re really not that happy with massive civilian gun ownership, they just like the cash from the pro-gun crowd.
BREAKING NEWS!!
They like the cash from Wall Street, and Corporate America better.

Give Congress the choice between:
a) massive controls on financial transactions, killing their benefactor’s proven-risk derivative market
– or –
b) massive (armed) civil unrest when we pull a Greece and shove a total economic collapse onto the American taxpayer?
Rationed water, electric, heat, food and fuel and a 65% tax on your income.

Everyone other than a Tea Party Republican will choose to eliminate the risk of option b.
The motion will pass.

There’s going to be a political quid pro quo. I’d hang my hat on “illegal immigrants” taking it in the neck. How and why, is below.

Step 2:
Federalize (“second”) the National Guard of the respective states.  Just as we could send them to war in Iraq, we can deploy them as deputized federal agents. One BATFE agent to 3 or 4 guardsmen.

Step 3:
Go door-to-door with your list of gun purchasers, and get access to the guns.  A massive VIPR-like sweep.
No gun? Where is it?
Who has it? Where’s the paperwork?  No gun, no paperwork?
You’re coming with us… the weather in Cuba is fine.
Sadly, it appears the nationwide cell phone network is down, unless you’re using a government contract cell phone.
Yes, surprise is key.
Oh, by the way… you have ID don’t you?  Born here?  Let’s run that ID.
So… you’re here on a visa, that expired in 2003.
You’re coming with us, the weather in Minot, North Dakota is fine.

There’s your required quid pro quo to the Republicans.

Step 4:
Anticipate the Federal Court Injunctions.
Injunctions which are enforced by… the DOJ and US Marshals.
Who are preoccupied in carrying out the mandate of Congress.
You’ve reached the DOJ, leave a message at the beep.

Step 5:
Mistakes happen.
Somewhere in the process, an “honest mistake” happened.

Knock, view, verify and record the presence of the named firearm in the possession of the named owner – or find out who has that firearm – was misinterpreted.

Knock, bash-in the door, verify the presence of, and confiscate the named firearm – became the process.

Rules of Engagement were defined as: “take no incoming fire – lethal means authorized”.
A few “rogue operators” decided that if it looked sketchy, breach the door after the flash-bang grenades, and engage anyone seen with a firearm in proximity using lethal force.

Step 6:
The number of confiscated firearms becomes a problem.  National Guard units are directed to turn the contraband over to Active Duty Military Police.  Certain weapons may be re-purposed by the government, exported to allies, used by agencies, or stripped for parts.

Light alloys are put into a grinder, steel and stainless steel are cut with a plasma torch to render  non-salvageable (prevents theft in transit), then taken to a smelter to be melted down.

Step 7:
The higher Federal Courts, and perhaps the SCOTUS weigh in.

Answer A: “It’s gotten out of hand, and we can’t reach all of the field units… your order to cease is understood and complied with at the Executive Level.  The logistical issues however, preclude prompt compliance in the field. The majority of units are out of contact, operating independently beyond range of communications.”

Answer B:
Arrest those Judges.  What part of Congressional Mandate didn’t you understand?

There’s going to be some issue, with a few mouthy Governors complaining about “…patent misuse of the Guard, violation of the Constit…” Yep.
We’re sorry, the Governor’s new conference has encountered technical difficulties.
To Jamie, and Sports!

It’s amazing what a FBI Agent can do for video production: “Cut the feed, NOW. Otherwise? You’re coming with me, the weather in Cuba is fine.”

The prevention of an armed civil insurrection requires a total lockdown on the ability to communicate.  The NSA knows this. Anyone studying the Arab Spring knows this.

The email servers of the various pro-gun groups “appear to have sustained a prolonged DoS attack by some overseas entity in Asia“.

Facebook decided that a new version of their photo and written content filter was worth Beta testing, and all gun-related images and commentary ceased to be shown.
Yes, the “nipple filter” took down the gun fetishists.

There is a lot more. But the bottom line is this is not someone who has some vague vision of rainbow farting unicorns carrying away all the guns being turned in for destruction and everyone living happily ever after.This is someone envisioning bypassing legal restraints, separation of powers, and with the complete disregard for the Bill of Rights imprisons or murders whoever stands in their way.

Of course they are still totally delusional about how that would turn out. They didn’t look at the numbers. I have. Out of nearly 11,000 posts here it’s the post popular post ever.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that people wanting to take your guns are just spouting off or political grandstanding.

I-594 results

From Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms:

BELLEVUE, WA – Friday marks the one-year anniversary of the effective date of Initiative 594 in Washington State, but the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms says it does not appear the measure has been effective at all in preventing any crimes, noting that there have been “no arrests, no prosecutions and no convictions under this statute.”

“The law didn’t prevent a 15-year-old in Snohomish County from buying what may have been a stolen gun that he mishandled last weekend to accidentally shoot his younger brother,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “It didn’t prevent the July murder of Donnie Chin in Seattle’s International District. It didn’t keep a gun out of the hands of a known teenage gang member who is now facing charges relating to an August shooting in which the victim was walking with his son in Seattle.”

“Despite public records requests to agencies around the state, we can find no record of any enforcement of this new law in the year since it took effect,” he continued. “The only discernible impact of the law has been to inconvenience honest gun owners and add more red tape to gun shows.

“There is something else about last year’s election that nobody has questioned,” Gottlieb observed. “When you do some math, the numbers don’t add up and never did. The initiative campaign cost more than $10 million, when it theoretically should not have cost a dime. The proponents claimed that background checks are supported by 80 to 90 percent of the public, yet the measure passed by less than 60 percent of the popular vote, in which only about half of the state’s voters actually returned ballots.

“If you have overwhelming public support for any issue,” he explained, “you shouldn’t have to spend a fortune to convince people to actually vote for it. Now the law seems to be gathering dust, without preventing guns from getting into the wrong hands.

“It is particularly disappointing that the media, which supported I-594, has failed to ask these questions,” Gottlieb noted. “I-594 is a trophy, a flimsy sham that has allowed anti-gunners to claim they did something about violent crime when in fact they haven’t accomplished anything. We don’t believe it will survive a court challenge, and in the meantime it penalizes law-abiding citizens while the criminals laugh and ignore it.”

Let me repeat, with emphasis, “no arrests, no prosecutions and no convictions under this statute.” This is despite, as predicted, we have people openly saying they will not comply.

So what does this mean? It means the prosecutors know that as soon as they prosecute someone it will revive our lawsuit. That lawsuit, if allowed to go forward, has a decent chance of success. The anti-gun people would rather have the law stand and never be enforced than to defend the law in court. They know the law only affects those who are virtually no risk of criminal behavior and they are okay with that, if not knowingly had this harassment as their original goal.