Quote of the day–Neal Knox

There is a silly notion, fervently adhered to by many gun owners, that if our side of the gun issue would just sit down and talk with the other side, we could work out a “reasonable” compromise that would satisfy “society’s need to keep guns out of the hands of criminals,” while imposing little inconvenience upon law-abiding gun owners.

…and the lion shall lie down with the lamb.

Neal Knox
July 29, 1988
The Insatiable Thirst To Ban Guns
The Gun Rights War, page 118.
[He goes on to explain that after every infringement concession the anti-gun people immediately propose a further infringement. No concession by the proponents of freedom has ever appeased the anti-freedom forces.

Chris Knox added a note to the article and pointed out:

The single exception to the history of NRA either supporting or acquiescing to every Federal gun law now on the book is the 1994 Clinton ‘assault weapon’ ban. Bill Clinton signed that bill half a decade after this piece was originally written. ILA, under the leadership of hardliners, fought the Clinton ban with everything it had–and lost. The tactical loss turned into a strategic victory. The long-term result was the Democrats losing its lock on the House majority and the first sitting Speaker to be turned out of office in a century.

Today we are still enjoying the benefits of this “strategic victory” that occurred 16 years ago. The AWB is no more, the anti-gun people have significantly scaled back their ambitions, and still congress gives them a cold shoulder.

I found this quote particularly applicable because of a story Dave Hardy told a small group of us at lunch yesterday. He told us that during the debate for the Gun Control Act of 1968 the NRA seriously considered conceding defensive handguns and rallying around hunting rifles and shotguns.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Dixie

Mike, you’ve had the same “relationship” with gun bloggers that a baseball has with a Louisville Slugger.


Dixie
May 15, 2010
Referring to MikeB302000 in a comment here after MikeB said, “Joe, Thanks so much for posting those pictures. I feel like I’ve met them now too, some of whom I’ve had quite a relationship with over the last year or two.”
[That was out of the park Dixie. Thank you.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Paul Helmke

I’ll be shocked if the Supreme Court doesn’t rule in favor of Alan in the McDonald case.


Paul Helmke
President of the Brady Campaign
May 14, 2010
He was referring to Alan Gura and the Chicago Gun Case.
See also Alan Gura v. Paul Helmke.

Quote of the day–Alice Marie Beard

I had the perfect chance to put a bullet thru the back of his head. I regret that I did not do so.

How easily I could have pretended to stumble, shooting him in the back of the head. An accident. Folks would have felt sorry for the young girl and might have wondered why the old man had been so careless. A blameless tragedy. I could have done it so easily.

Alice Marie Beard
Ray Pierce, pedophile, Montmorency Co., Michigan
[I’m not sure what to say about this. I understand why she says that. But I wonder if there would be regrets for taking the action she didn’t and who is to say that a five ten year old is sufficiently mature to make those decisions. When confronted with immediate threat of death of permanent injury, sure. But this is a little different.

Update: Ms. Beard informs me she was ten when the opportunity occurred.–Joe]

Quote of the day–James Huffman-Scott

And you say I get my talent for tormenting people from Dad.


James Huffman-Scott
May 11, 2010
After hearing this story from his mother.

Quote of the day–JadeGold

So how do you measure a “potential terrorist”?

NRA ballcap or decal.

JadeGold
May 6, 2010
In the comments to Bloomberg on the “Terror Gap”.
[And when 80,000 “potential terrorists” get together this weekend just think of the havoc they will create. And it happens every year. It’s time people realized we can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately have freedom of association…

 

Oh, that’s right, the people at a NRA convention are extremely well behaved. It’s when a dozen or more leftists get together that they frequently riot and/or destroy property. The leftist terrorist organizations (FALN, ALF, ELF, anarchists, revolutionary socialists, etc.) commit far more crimes in this country than all the conservative, right-wing (National Alliance, WCOTC, Aryan Nation), and libertarian (have there any been libertarian terrorist organizations?) organizations combined.

 

I guess it must be the mental problems of JadeGold causing them to engage in projection.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Alan Keyes

The only difference between today’s slavery and the slavery of the old South is that at least the plantation owners paid for the chains.


Alan Keyes
Presidential Candidate
At a speech in Orem Utah in approximately ~2000.
Via Richard Mack and From My Cold Dead Fingers–Why America Needs Guns, Third Edition (“Final Chapter”), page 197.
[Most people in this country don’t seem to realize they are slaves. A typical attempt at refutation might go something like, “Life is good! And if the government would just give us [fill in the blank] life would be even better. We aren’t slaves!” I’m almost at a loss for words in such a conversation. Their own words refute their claim. When you have to beg your superiors to give you what you want with no opportunity to escape you are their slave. I have heard slavery defined as when more than “X” percent of your work output is taken by force and only the remainder is used for your food, housing, and other individual needs. IIRC “X” was in the neighborhood of 25%. Our taxes far exceed exceed 25% of our work output. I have no meaningful escape to freedom from the oppression of my “master”. I, in many ways, am a slave.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Sheriff Richard I. Mack

Police have a difficult and thankless job. They put their lives on the line every day in a world affected by drugs and violence and social decay. May each of us in this noble profession, as we pursue the guilty among us, never be guilty ourselves of the greater crime: violating our oath in God’s name to defend the constitutional rights of the people for whom we work.


Sheriff Richard I. Mack
From My Cold Dead Fingers–Why America Needs Guns, Third Edition (“Final Chapter”), page 217.
[I have an autographed, and addressed to me, copy of this book. I found it in the garage when cleaning this weekend. I don’t remember buying it. I remember it laying around, but I don’t remember when or where I bought it. Probably at a gun show someplace. I haven’t read it yet. I just scanned it a some.


There are lots and lots of great quotes in it. You’ll be hearing more from this book.–Joe] 

Quote of the day–Roberta X

Why, yes, that party’s office-holders do generally appear to be worse than their Republican counterparts, in just exactly the same way that being half-hanged, drawn and quartered is worse than a lethal injection; but the end result is the same.


I will support (or at least vote for) the occasional Republican, sometimes for entirely pragmatic reasons. Don’t confuse that with being a member of the party.


Roberta X
May 8, 2010
Primaries, Devisited
[Yeah. That is pretty much how I think and feel about the topic as well.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Sebastian

I’m sure the Administration’s position that “Thou shalt have no position on guns,” drives Holder nuttier than a fruitcake. It’s a joy to watch.


Sebastian
May 7, 2010
You Can Tell it Just Drives Him Nuts
[One might argue Holder was already “nuttier than a fruitcake” but that is just being nit-picky. It is definitely a joy to watch.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Steven F. Hayward

According to the annual Freedom House survey of democracy and liberty around the globe, there was almost no increase in freedom during Carter’s presidency. Instead, both Iran and Nicaragua, principal targets of Carter’s human rights policy, became human rights disasters; the Soviets cracked down on human rights activists Anatoly Scharansky and Aleksandr Ginzburg; and Carter’s foreign policy weakness encouraged the Soviets to invade Afghanistan. The aftershocks of Carter’s foreign policy failures reverberated most powerfully in the Islamic fundamentalist terrorism we have today. It was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan that created the mujahadeen, who revived the idea of jihad. More important, the fall of the shah in Iran gave Islamic fundamentalist radicalism an enormous state sponsor and inspiration and made being an American ally in the Middle East seem more dangerous than being an American foe. Carter’s idealism failed in confronting communism during his presidency and later in confronting communist North Korea. Carter idealism–if it can be called that–in the Middle East would have us side with the terrorist PLO rather than the democratic Israel, and would have us on a perpetual merry-go-round of talks aimed at appeasing Arab dictators rather than toppling them or challenging them to reform and cease sponsoring terrorism.


Steven F. Hayward
The Real Jimmy Carter, page 230.
[One can claim, with reasonable ability to defend the thesis, that Carter was a “nice guy” and had “good intentions”. But the results of his policy are just like the “nice guys” who have “good intentions” and want infringe our specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms. They fail. They fail because they are naive. “Bad guys” exist. Bad guys take advantage of the weak. It is, as George Orwell said, “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”


Guns in the hands of the common person allow them to sleep peaceably in your bed at night because they can do their own violence when it becomes necessary to defend themselves and other innocent life. It is hopelessly naive to believe removing the power to do violence from the innocent will ever make the world a better place. At every level from the individual through city, state, and national level the means and the will to defend the innocent will always be a requirement for a safe and just society.


H/T to Davidwhitewolf who donated the author signed copy of The Real Jimmy Carter to the Boomershoot raffle. The inscription reads “Dear Boomershooter, Thanks for supporting the 2nd Amendment, Boomershoot 2010, and Project Valor-IT, [signed] Steven F. Hayward. I put many raffle tickets in the bucker for this book but someone else got it. They brought it to me afterward and asked me to blow it up for them. “Huh? Didn’t you read the find print on the jacket cover? It says, ‘How our worst ex-president undermines American foreign policy, coddles dictators, and created the party of Clinton and Kerry’?” Nope. They hadn’t read the fine print. I said that I would be glad to take the book and even blow it up for them if they really wanted that. But I would rather read it and use it as a source of quotes. They agreed and gave it to me.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Alan Korwin


Under the new carry provisions, the feds are forced to comply with state laws in the 493 individual parks and “federal islands” spread throughout the 50 states. Rather than states bowing to the feds in an unholy expansion of power, the feds must bow to the states and their local gun laws. State gun laws apply in those territorial islands, and changes to state law will apply there as well. The dog is finally wagging the tail.


We could use more laws like this. This is the 10th Amendment in action.


Alan Korwin
April 5, 2010
Reverse Tenth Amendment
[Unfortunately the feds didn’t have this imposed on them by the states, they imposed it upon themselves. It seems to me that in a more utopian world the state legislatures could have voted, with a simple majority, to overthrow any federal law. Sort of like an initiative process that occurs in many states when the citizens enact or repeal laws the state legislatures and/or governor refuse to do. The feds could only override the states on issues of rights that are infringed by the states.


My utopia is far from realized and I fear I will have to find my own planet to implement it.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Say Uncle

This would be catastrophic for a few reasons. First, a good portion of funds invested in the market are now government property. Second, if you tried to take money from folks’ plans, they’d just take their money out of the plans. And third, they’d probably kill you for trying.


Say Uncle
May 5, 2010
401(k) and union retirement
[I’m not sure about the first point. I’ll take his word for that.


I have some questions on the second point–money and most hard assets such as your home and vehicles are far too easy to trace.


On the third point I suspect he is spot on.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Glenn Beck

To quote the president, he didn’t want to take over GM, but he had to. The auto industry was in a crisis. He didn’t want to take over the banks, but he had to. The financial industry was in a crisis. It was corrupt and on the verge of trouble. I don’t want global regulation but we have to. Remember the pitch for TARP? The global economy would collapse if it’s not passed. They’re saying it now again.


The stimulus, America wouldn’t survive if we don’t pass it. Health care, how many times did we hear that the health care system is in crisis? Cap-and-trade, energy crisis, environmental crisis, climate crisis. Oceans will flood if we don’t act now.


Each one of these crisis, there is only one benefactor. One. Who is it? Big government.


Mark my words, the pattern will continue.


Glenn Beck
May 3, 2010
Big Government vs. Small Government
[Barb sometimes complains that I depress her. Sometimes I depress myself too.–Joe]

Quote of the day–The Charleston Gazette

Since America is infested with millions of murder instruments, we don’t know whether control laws ever can reduce the death toll. But conscientious leaders should keep trying. Closing the gun show loophole would be a plausible step.


The Charleston Gazette
May 2, 2010
Pistols: Gun show sales
[H/T to Say Uncle.


One persons “murder instruments” are another persons life saving self-defense tools–which we all have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear.


America is also “infested” with millions of homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, and people with non-white skin but that doesn’t mean their rights should be infringed no matter how plausible it is to some bigots.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Laurel

Just got back into town from Boomershoot.

OH GOD SO FUN.

I have a feeling this next year is going to be a spendy one for us. Yeeeeah.

Laurel
Aprile 25, 2010
*dies of awesome*
[My evil plan is working.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Beekeeper’s Apprentice

How DARE the NRA CHARGE for a program to teach children to never touch a firearm, when they have lobbied hard and long and pushed and prodded and screeched “constitution” and tossed money around to lawmakers incapable to turning down a freaking dollar to save their own putrefied souls and the NRA is a huge part of the problem of children dying in firearm accidents in the first place?


Beekeeper’s Apprentice
Apr 21, 2010
Question of the Week: How do Republicans Think?
[I think there is some sort of disconnect with reality here. Does he think teachers should teach for free? And where is the evidence that the NRA is “a huge part of the problem of children dying in firearm accidents”? And if you know anything about the NRA’s Eddy Eagle program and you read the whole thing you will discover he doesn’t know anything about the Eddy Eagle program. What he thinks he knows about it he learned from the Violence Policy Center. This is like learning about homosexuality from Fred Phelps.–Joe]

Quote of the day–L. Neil Smith

They hate it because it’s an X-ray machine. It’s a Vulcan mind-meld. It’s the ultimate test to which any politician — or political philosophy — can be put.


If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash — for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything — without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you.


L. Neil Smith
Why Did it Have to be … Guns
[I have tried to put it a little more succinctly but I suspect I will lose a lot of people with that. Smith spells it out concisely in a manner that everyone can understand. RTWT.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Oleg Volk

These rolling hills are Irish-Green
But those who herein dwell
Have rifles that reach a mile
To send Cromwell’s hosts to hell


To them Ruby Ridge was a warning
An alert to the fair and free
Like other, more recent incursions
Against them and you and me


Enjoy rolling hills of Idaho
They look Irish but hold more lead
In case someday reason fails
And the living might envy the dead


The Federal hydra seldom
Comes into these rolling hills
To it the climate is noisome
Though the locals are dressed to kill


Plain are natives of green and beauty
Simple and rough their talk
But they have enough math to know
How far long-range bullets drop


These rolling hills are Irish-Green
But those who herein dwell
Though wishing for peace and quiet
In war would do rather well


To them you are valued visitor
By whom they strive to do right
Those who come in friendship
Need not fear the rifles’ might


These rolling hills aren’t Ireland
But a more formidable land
And despite all the Pharaoh’s armies
These people will win in the end


Oleg Volk
April 29, 2009
Of Idaho
[Yup. There is lead in the hills and I’m not the only one in Idaho to invest in copper coated lead.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Michael Bane

Boomershoot is the most interesting precision rifle event in the entire world.


Michael Bane
Down Range Radio #158
April 27, 2010
[My ego is probably blocking thoughts of something far more interesting but at the moment I am inclined to agree with him.–Joe]