Quote of the day–Cherry River Blog

Can anyone here imagine a group of ten ordinary American police officers standing, cowed, behind building corners and simply watching such a slaughter? I doubt it. There may be tactical considerations, and some reasonable self-preservation making a degree of caution possible, but a two-man team with AKs and grenades would not last long even in a place like Los Angeles. Transplant that same situation into most of the rest of America, that beyond the deep-urban elites, and the conclusion of the attack would be swift, brutal, and total, and not in favor of the attackers.


Let those same terrorists figuratively come ashore in a place like Pennsylvania, Texas, or Wyoming, and the police would be arriving only in time to distribute body bags and take pictures.


Cherry River Blog
December 4, 2008
Mumbai
Via David Hardy.
[As pointed out in the comments to the post: one word, “Columbine”. But from both Columbine and 9/11 (flight 93) the police and private citizens learned valuable lessons. Sometimes fighting back NOW is the proper course of action. As long as people have the tools to fight I think the proper mindset will surface when the situation presents itself–even if it is somewhat repressed by modern society.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Ride Fast


Why some choose to disarm in the face of a violent enemy is easily explained. Insanity. It’s really no different than fighting a fire by throwing away an extinguisher. Or treating an infection with a Chinese fire drill. It does look like they’re doing something, but I call it surrender.


There are times when negotiation is pointless and accommodation is only seen as weakness. Open carry of legally owned arms would go a long way toward throttling a criminal at the “thinking about it” stage of a violent crime.

Why the good people of Scotland and California continue to elect cowards that codify their fear into law is beyond me.


Ride Fast
December 2, 2008
Gun Control in Scotland
[My outrage is not easily translated into words and probably would be incriminating as well. I think I’m sexist because seeing injured females creates a visceral reaction unmatched by similar injuries to men. And you really don’t want to know what I’m thinking right now.–Joe]

I’m glad we went the other way

England took a wrong turn. The evidence is so glaring obvious that I’m sure most of them, at some level, realize it as well:



In May this year, the Met launched Operation Blunt 2, another high-profile initiative to tackle knife crime – again using special stop and search powers in high-risk areas and airport-style metal detectors. The home secretary, Jacqui Smith, announced a £5m package to tackle violent crime. Since then, 27,000 people have been searched, 1,200 arrested and 500 knives seized. Of those arrested, 95% have since been charged with weapons offences, the Met said.


Uncle has more evidence.


The problem is, even with the overwhelming evidence, they have too much invested in the decision. It’s too psychologically uncomfortable to admit they were wrong. It takes a great deal of character strength to admit you were wrong when you have invested 100’s of millions (billions?) of pounds and who knows how many lives lost in a scheme that was counter productive to your stated goal. They don’t have the strength of character to do that. Very few people would. It’s particularly difficult when you have social support for your conviction. There will be more and more proselyting for this failed belief system until they hit a very firm and undeniable dead end. That will likely be a exceedingly repressive police state. Getting themselves out of that will not be easy or pretty.


I’m so glad we managed to avoid that path into the abyss.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XXIII

Via Dave Hardy I came across this:



It also sent shockwaves across France where the loss of two of the country’s finest young minds was seen as proof of Britain’s spiral into knife-obsessed lawlessness.



Mr Bonomo was stabbed 196 times, with up to 100 wounds inflicted on his back after death.


Mr Ferez, who lived several miles away in Thornton Heath, suffered 47 separate injuries.


So… how’s that gun control and hostility toward self-defense working out for you guys on the other side of the pond? Confiscation of knives followed by rocks and pointed sticks seems like what is needed next.

Quote of the day–Mark Lawson

…the only solution is to try to drive knives from society. Already, stop-and-search squads have been put on the streets of London in a version of the contentious old “sus” laws. This, at least, is something practical that can be attempted: there is no good reason to carry blades.

Mark Lawson
May 16 2008
Weapons we can’t handle
[This is the path the anti-gun people want us to take. This is the future if the anti-gun bigots are allowed to succeed.–Joe]

Chicago people are slow learners

9 people killed in 36 shootings over the weekend in Chicago:

Nine people were killed in 36 shootings over the weekend in Chicago, reflecting what some community leaders say is a deadly breakdown in discipline among gang members after a crackdown over the past few years put many of their leaders behind bars.

[…]

The shootings included drive-by attacks, and one case in which someone shot up a plumbing supply store with an AK-47. At least 14 of the shootings were gang-related, according to police. As for the rest, the only thing they can say for sure is that three had nothing to do with gangs.

[…]

Around the country, a number of cities, including Boston, New York, Los Angeles and Dallas, are not reporting surges in gang violence.

So, Mayor Daley, how is that handgun ban working out for you?

You would think the lessons of alcohol prohibition would not have to be retaught for recreation drug and gun prohibition. But for some reason that isn’t the case and Chicago appears to be the natural epicenter of demonstrating this lesson. What seems so odd to me is that it is taking so much longer to learn the lesson this time. I guess people in Chicago are just slow learners.

School shooting incident data

The other day I posted about the number of school shooting incidents before and since the law making schools “gun free zones”. A commentor wanted references so they could use the stats in a paper they were writing. I wrote to Jeff Knox at Firearms Coalition asking if he could share the references with me and he responded with the following:

Joe,
Those statistics were compiled by my sister Shan.  Here is how she answers the question:
Our article was about the impact of the gun-free school zones, so death tolls are
limited to that criteria.  There was an error in the stats – it should have been 14 prior to
1990 and 79 post 1990 (80, now)  – I accidentally messed up on the numbers.  There were two
shootings at “Cleveland Elementary School” in California – one in Stockton, one in San Diego. 
I must have knocked one out, thinking I was duplicating it, so the before figure should have been 13,
but in researching this today, I came across another one that wasn’t included in our original findings,
so the actual pre-1990 figure was 14. 
 
The post-1990 figure should have been 79 – there was a shooting in DC which wasn’t included –
I don’t know why.  The killer was acquitted of murder, so maybe it wasn’t showing up as a
homicide in the FBI stats.  There has been one additional fatal school shooting at a Washington
State HS since our report, bringing the total to 80.
 
Since the Crime Control Act of 1990, There have been a total of 80 gun homicides
in school shootings perpetrated by killers who illegally carried firearms onto
elementary or secondary school grounds, or fired onto school grounds,in violation of
the 1990 law.  The number is actually higher – there have been several firearms suicides
comitted in schools, but we only counted suicides concurrent with homicidal school shootings. 
Those weren’t included in the FBI report we looked at, but they should rightly be included,
since they still spotlight the gun-free zone” fallacy. 
 
There’s what appears to be a complete list – which includes the suicides and a lot of other info, at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks and also at
http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/crime/school_violence/school_shootings.html
 
There have been additional people killed on college campuses and post-
secondary institutions during that time, but those places weren’t included in our figures,
because they weren’t included in the gun-free school zones provisions.
 
There have also been many, many more people wounded, or killed by other types of weapons.
 
I was using the FBI uniform Crime Reports, but there’s a pretty
full list on wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting  For some reason,
it doesn’t include Laurie Dann, or details of Oakland Elementary, and a few others
which I’ll list later.

Shootings in elementary and secondary schools in the US prior to 1990 – 
 
Cleveland Elementary San Diego, California, January 29, 1979  (2 killed)
Parkway south JH, Saint Louis, MO  Jan.20, 1983  (2 killed)
Goddard Junior high , Goddard, KS  Jan. 21, 1985: ( 1 killed)
Hubbard Woods School  (Laurie Dann) Winnetka, IL  May, 20, 1988 (1 killed)
Oakland Elementary – Greenwood, SC – Sept 26, 1988 (2 killed)
Cleveland Elementary Stockton, California, January 17, 1989 (6 killed)
 
For post-1990, the list is too long to type, but  the Wikipedia link –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting  – has a list of
most US shootings, but also includes post-secondary schools.  It did not include
the fatalities for East Carter High ,  Grayson, Kentucky, 1993 (2)
 
It also did not include:
Wauwatosa West High School  December 1, 1993 Wisconsin (1)
Fayetteville, Tennessee, May 19, 1998 (1)
Lew Wallace High School Gary, IN, Mar 30, 2001 (1)
Lake Worth Middle School , Lake Worth, FL  May 26, 2000 (1)
Ballou Senior High School.  Wash, DC, Feb. 2, 2004 (1)
Henry Foss High School Tacoma, Washington, January 3, 2007 (1)
 
Hope this helps!
Shan

Quote of the day–Richard E. Gardiner

Whether one examines the District’s murder rates relative to other large US cities, the neighboring states of Maryland and Virginia, or relative to the US as a whole there is no evidence that the ban reduced the District’s relative murder rate. Indeed, if anything, the evidence points to the opposite conclusion. The District’s rising murder rate cannot be explained as a result of the crack cocaine epidemic during the late 1980s because this increase started occurring right after the ban was instituted, long before crack cocaine became an issue.

Everyone wants to disarm criminals. However, the problem with bans is who is most likely to obey them. If the ban primarily disarms lawabiding citizens and not criminals, the ban can have the opposite effect of what was intended.

Richard E. Gardiner
February 2007
BRIEF OF ACADEMICS AS AMICI CURIAE IN SUPPORT OF RESPONDENT
[I really liked reading this one. The comparision data was represented as ratios between D.C. and other areas (such as large cities, nearby states, etc.) over time. Usually I see the data represented as absolute numbers. The ratio representation is a good tool.–Joe]

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XXII

When will they ever learn that gun free zones weren’t, aren’t, and can’t be? How many people must die before they let the victims fight back? It happened again:

A gunman killed five students and wounded 16 others in a Northern Illinois University lecture hall on Thursday afternoon in DeKalb before killing himself, according to university and police officials.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XXI

5 dead in strip mall shooting; gunman at large

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) — A gunman who shot and killed five women in a clothing store at a suburban Chicago strip mall Saturday remains at large, police said.

Authorities do not know the motive for the shooting at the Lane Bryant store, said Tinley Park police Sgt. T.J. Grady. The victims’ identities were not released.

Grady told reporters that a 911 call reporting the shooting came in at 10:44 a.m.

Shoppers in nearby stores described a tense situation after the shooting..

“Six police entered the store with their hands on their gun holsters,” said Tracy Caccavella, who was in a pet supply store across from the Lane Bryant store, according to The Associated Press..

The gunman was described as an African-American man, about 5 feet 9 inches tall and weighing between 230 and 260 pounds, Grady said. He was wearing a waist-length black winter coat, a black cap and dark jeans..

Authorities believe there was only one shooter, Grady said.

So, Mayor Daley, hows gun control working for you? Had the victims been able to carry their own defensive tools the headline might have been something like, “Thug shot dead after shooting one victim.”

Add these deaths to the list of charges for Daley’s trial on violation of 18 USC 242.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XX

In New York this time:

The rampage began around 9 p.m. when Garvin went into a pizzeria, asked for a menu, then shot an employee 15 times in the back, Bloomberg said. Police identified the victim as Alfredo Romero, 35.

Garvin fled after the shooting, and police who heard the shots radioed information about the gunman. Pekearo and Marshalik approached the gunman, who fired at them.

One of the officers ordered Garvin to drop a bag full of weapons. He did, but then he led them on a chase before turning on them, and shot Marshalik in the back of the head.

Police released surveillance footage that showed Pekearo ducking behind a car before he was fatally shot as Garvin hovered over him.

Had Pekearo and Marshalik, unarmed police auxiliary, or any of the dozens of other private citizens present been able to shoot back Pekearo and Marshalik would likely be alive today. It’s even possible Romero would have survived. But this is New York City where private citizens are not allowed to carry personal protection tools such as guns.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XIX

From the U.K. where, if the government hadn’t implemented a Criminal Occupational Safety Act, an “equalizer” from Samuel Colt, John Moses Browning, or Smith & Wesson would make this sort of thing too hazardous of a hobby to partake in this frequently in the same small geographical area and small population:

There are growing concerns tonight that police are drawing a blank in the hunt for the Suffolk Strangler.

Officers from the Suffolk force – one of the smallest in the country – have been “overwhelmed” by the discovery of five bodies in 10 days.

One source said: “Even a larger force would have a problem resourcing at this stage. It is six weeks since the first prostitute went missing – and police admit it is a race against time before the killer strikes again.”

Detective Chief Superintendent Stewart Gull, who is leading the manhunt, went on television to say the serial killer is “out of control”. He has murdered five women in six weeks, an unprecedented rate in British criminal history.

Some of the prostitutes in Ipswich’s red-light area have given police names of their customers and detectives are trying to compile a complete list.

The numbers of sex workers in the area is said to be about 40, but the hardcore is about 15 – five of whom are now dead.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XVIII

Lucy Braham was stabbed to death in her own home. Disarmed by her own government and unable to defend herself against an attacker armed with only a knife she died at the age of 25. The attacker had virtually nothing to fear entering her home. If someone enters almost any home in the U.S. and they will be hyper-alert for the sound of a 12-gage shotgun being racked and prepared for firing. Not in this home, not in this country.

How many more tragic deaths do the people in these countries need before they start asking Just One Question then demand their government stop infringing on their inalienable rights?

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XVII

Twenty people wounded or killed. Hundreds of people were present but none of them were allowed to legally possess a firearm there. The person willing to break the law prohibited murder obviously wasn’t that concerned about the law against possessing a firearm. The victims were disarmed by their own government and that government bears a large portion of the responsibility for those injuries and deaths. And notice how the attacker was stopped? By people with guns. Don’t give me any crap about “bringing a gun into the situation just increases the violence”. It put a stop to the violence. If the victims hadn’t been disarmed they could have stopped the violence much sooner.

A 25-year-old man who mounted a deadly shooting rampage at a downtown Montreal college had posted pictures of himself on the Internet with a rifle and said he was feeling “crazy” and “postal” and was drinking whiskey hours before the attack.

The man, identified by police as Kimveer Gill, also said on a blog that he liked to play a role-playing Internet game about the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado and wanted to die “in a hail of gunfire.”

In the end, Gill dressed in a black trench coat like the Columbine shooters put his own gun to his head and pulled the trigger during a shootout with officers at Dawson College on Wednesday, police said.

Gill, wielding a rapid-fire rifle and two other weapons, had already wounded 20 other people by the time he took his own life. One of his victims, an 18-year-old woman, later died. Four others remained in critical condition Thursday, including three in extremely critical condition and one in a deep coma.

Police initially said Gill shot himself but later Wednesday they said they thought officers killed Gill during an exchange of fire. On Thursday, however, Francois Dore of the Quebec provincial police said “preliminary results of the autopsy showed that he died of self-inflicted wounds.” Dore said police shot Gill in the arm before he turned his gun on himself.

“Remember September 13th” should be the slogan of the people of Canada as they march in the streets by the tens of thousands and demand their government stop infringing their inalienable rights.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XVI

Handguns are banned in the U.K.  So this couldn’t have happened:

Gun gang hit church club

THESE sickening CCTV images show merciless robbers storming a church social club where they threatened to shoot OAPs.

The three cowards, two with guns, stopped two elderly women escaping the venue. They bundled one over before dragging the 83-year-old into the main hall.

The gang then told the ten staff and customers to sit with hands behind their heads at Our Lady of Assumption Church’s parish club in Childwall in Merseyside.

Manageress Lynn Goulding, 54, said: “The gun sounded like a firecracker. I grabbed one of the men through sheer panic but he hit me on the chin.

“I can’t believe I was inches from a man pointing a gun at me. It was the most horrific experience of my life. I’m still shaking.”

The gang stole £970 and fled Wednesday’s 1am raid in a 4×4.

 

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XV

The police can’t protect you. You are responsible for your own safety. The police are reactive and show up to draw the chalk outline on the sidewalk and make a good faith attempt at finding your killer. It’s too bad Mr. Woodhams and his family had to discover this on their own rather than the entire culture understanding the idiocy of banning the tools of self-defense:

The Metropolitan police have apologised for “any hurt” caused by their failure to prevent the fatal shooting of a 22-year-old father.

Peter Woodhams was shot in Canning Town, east London, on August 21st after confronting a group of youths and died later at Royal London hospital.

It later emerged that the TV engineer had been stabbed in the neck nearby exactly seven months earlier, but no-one was ever charged.

The victim’s fiancee claims that police did not launch a thorough enough inquiry in January and Commander Rod Jarman admitted that an internal police investigation was needed.

“We will robustly deal with any failings in our investigation of the previous incident and make sure that those matters are dealt with,” he said.

“I would also like to make my apologies for any hurt that that investigation may have caused the family.”

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XIV

From Michelle Malkin:

A disabled war hero and his wife were assaulted and robbed in Bethesda, Md., a few weeks ago.

The guy lost an arm and a leg in Iraq and five punks mugged him and his wife. If one or both had been armed things might have turned out differently. Maryland, however, doesn’t trust it’s citizens to carry firearms to defend themselves except under rare circumstances. Hence being outnumbered or out-sized is an invitation to the predators on the street.

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XIII

From the U.K.  When investigating a threat to yourself and/or your home it is entirely reasonable to arm yourself.  Too bad she didn’t have access to better tools.  If the politicians had not disarmed her and her countrymen she might still be alive.

Special constable Nisha Patel-Nasri was stabbed to death with her own 13ins kitchen knife, detectives believe.(MON).

Nisha was found bleeding to death in her pyjamas and dressing gown on the doorstep of her semi in a quiet suburban street in Wembley, northwest London.

Police now believe that before going out to investigate a noise the brave part-time police officer picked up a kitchen knife to warn off would be intruders.

There is a different version of the same story here.