I’ve always pictured a gun ban looking like this in the United States.
It would be so great. No more violence. Just peace and trees.
Ann
February 19, 2018
Comment of February 19, 2018 at 10:11 AM.
[Delusions are often functional. In this case, however, it’s just a delusion.—Joe]
Via email from Mike C. we have notice of another League of Women Voters event which includes I-1639. Here is what Mike sent me:
There is also the event notification on their website:
| Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:00 am |
Tacoma Public Library Downtown 1102 Tacoma Ave. S. Tacoma, WA 98402 |
Ballot Issue Forum. This public forum features explanations and speakers pro and con on the main ballot issues for the November ballot. This includes three Pierce County Charter amendments, four statewide Initiatives, City of Tacoma Proposition 1 and Pierce County Rural Libraries Proposition. No charge. |
I have a previous commitment and will not be attending.
I found this very interesting:
Gun control was supposed to be the issue of 2018.
Yet it has receded so far into the background of the midterm congressional elections that Everytown for Gun Safety, a major player in gun control, is spending its money on ads covering abortion, health care and the Republican tax bill — but nary a mention of assault rifles or bump stocks.
Apparently Everytown for Gun Safety recognizes that advocating for gun control is a losing strategy. So their response is to achieve their goals indirectly by helping politicians who hide their position on guns but will vote against gun owners when they get a chance.
When the only way people can get their way is through deception you know their intentions are evil.
Via a tweet (originally from Erin Palette):
Donate your time and money to fund efforts (as I have also done) to defeat I-1639.
The big thrust is making sure it is at least as hard to purchase a semi-automatic assault rifle as it already to purchase a handgun.
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The reality is, initiative 1639 will not end gun violence. It will not stop all gun violence, but it will cut at some of the really big components of it.
Stephen Paolini
Campaign Manager of the ‘Yes on 1639’ campaign
October 17, 2018
Voters to decide fate of Washington’s gun control initiative this Nov.
[Read the article. Notice the complete lack of mention by Paolini for the right of the people to keep and bear arms? That is because he doesn’t care about your rights.
The “big thrust” is against “semi-automatic assault rifles”? Suppose this law were wildly successful and there were no more murders in Washington state committed with rifles of any type. How many lives would be saved compared to the murders committed with other weapons?
It turns out that in 2017 Washington had one murder attributed to the use of a rifle, 75 to the use of handguns, 36 to the use of a knife or cutting instrument, and 18 to hands, fists, feet, etc. This fact is from the 2017 FBI Uniform Crime Report.
So, how can Paolini believe restricting access to a subset of the rifles can “cut at some of the really big components” of “gun violence”? The only way this can be true is if he believes one is a “really big component” of 76. It is true that these type of people have serious problems with comprehending numbers, but is much more likely an alternate hypothesis is true.
Stephen Paolini is a liar and has complete disregard for the rights of others.
So, you have to ask yourself, what is his true motivation?
Do not trust anything to do with this scumbag.—Joe]
From Electronic Frontier Foundation Newly Released Surveillance Orders Show That Even with Individualized Court Oversight, Spying Powers Are Misused:
Rather than notifying the court that it had destroyed the communications it obtained without authorization, the NSA made an absurd argument in a bid to retain the communications: because the surveillance was unauthorized, the agency’s internal procedures that require officials to delete non-relevant communications should not apply. Essentially, because the surveillance was unlawful, the law shouldn’t apply and the NSA should get to keep what it had obtained.
And these are the people we supposedly should trust with our freedom?
Maybe someone else has some perspective on this…
…the families sought to hold the FBI accountable for its failed background check on Dylann Roof, which allowed Roof to legally buy the handgun used in the Emanuel shooting.
In Tuesday’s filing, the Brady Campaign says U.S. District Judge Richard Gergel incorrectly interpreted federal gun law when he dismissed the Emanuel families’ lawsuit in June 2018.
I’m firmly opposed to mandatory background checks so I am not in agreement with the basic premise of their position but I am fully in support of the Brady Campaign suing the FBI. This diverts both Brady and FBI resources from attacking gun owners.
If Brady wins it means the FBI will increase expenditures on NICS to decrease the likelihood of being successfully sued in the future. Increasing the costs of NICS checks means the value of these checks will be more likely to be examined. Does our society “get it’s money’s worth” from this expenditure or would those resources be better spent elsewhere. For example, should that money be spent on keeping violent criminals in prison rather than in a futile attempt to prevent them from acquiring guns in a free society? Or, should that money be spent in police efforts to put into finding and convicting criminals quickly before they can commit multiple crimes?
Thank you Brady Campaign.
Via a tweet:
She’s worked out stuff with Mom’s Demand Action to make sure that she can support their goals without supporting the organization openly.
Rob Mills
Deputy Regional Field Director, Claire McCaskill Campaign
[H/T to David Hardy.
Claire McCaskill is a U.S. Senator for Missouri.
Project Veritas bring us the video which conclusively shows this Democrat and her staff are being deliberately deceptive in an attempt to violate the rights of hundreds of millions of people.—Joe]
Stolen from Don B:
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If I-1639 Vote is No
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If I-1639
Vote Is Yes
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Bob Smails, a repeat felon, buys a semiautomatic
rifle and uses it to kill a clerk and a customer while robbing a convenience store.
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Bob Smails, a repeat felon, buys a semiautomatic
rifle and uses it to kill a clerk and a customer while robbing a convenience store.
Nothing
changes here. Criminals do not obey gun laws.
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Disabled 20 year old veteran Latisha Robbins lives
in an area with a significant crime problem due to persistent financial difficulties. Too young to purchase a handgun, she purchases a light AR15, a firearm with which she became familiar during her military service.
When drug addict Jerry Randall breaks into her
home, he hurriedly flees when Latisha points the rifle at him and click off the safety.
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Disabled 20 year old veteran Latisha Robbins lives
in an area with a significant crime problem due to persistent financial difficulties. Too young to purchase a handgun or an effective rifle for self defense, she is forced to hope that police officers respond in time to her 911 call.
When drug addict Jerry Randall breaks into her
home, what he does to her causes the responding officer to cry in his wife’s arms, after finding Latisha’s body.
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Retired bookstore owner Jerry Rodriguez has been
planning for a hunting trip across the country for over a year. Two weeks before departure, he is sighting it in at the range and accidentally drops it, badly damaging the action.
Chagrined at this misfortune, he is still able to
purchase a used Browning BAR hunting rifle from a store that conducts a background check before selling it to him. The rifle is sighted in and his hunting trip is saved.
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Retired bookstore owner Jerry Rodriguez has been
planning for a hunting trip across the country for over a year. Two weeks before departure, he is sighting it in at the range and accidentally drops it, badly damaging the action.
Chagrined at this misfortune, goes to his local gun
store and tries to purchase a used Browning BAR hunting rifle from a store. Despite his clean background and possession of a Concealed Pistol License (which would exempt him from a handgun waiting period, though not a redundant background check), Jerry is unable to purchase the BAR. I-1639’s 10 BUSINESS DAY waiting period does not exempt CPL holders. It also requires proof of having completed a training course….without specifying the contents of that course, who will offer it and requiring that it be reasonably prices an accessible to all.
Law enforcement officers are also governed by this
completely undefined process.
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Bob Kowalski loses his 70 year old mother to
cancer, just before Christmas. It has been a hard year for Bob, who is recently divorced, and he finds it difficult to keep depression at bay. However, he finds solace in competitive shooting and finds a good therapist who has Bob use a mild dose of an anti-depression medication for a year. Fortunately, he ultimately overcomes the depression.
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Bob Kowalski loses his 70 year old mother to
cancer, just before Christmas. It has been a hard year for Bob, who is recently divorced, and he finds it difficult to keep depression at bay. However, he finds solace in competitive shooting and finds a good therapist who has Bob use a mild dose of an anti-depression medication for a year. Fortunately, he ultimately overcomes the depression.
Unfortunately, a couple years later the state
legislature adds every person who has ever used any amount of anti-depression medication to the list of persons unable to legally own any firearms. Bob’s purchase of a rifle under I-1639 gave the state the means to circumvent HIPAA’s privacy protections and access his medical records at any point in the future. As a result of his brief anti-depressant use, all of Bob’s firearms are confiscated.
Another consequence of this is that a large number
of people battling depression avoid seeking help to deal with that depression and even suicidal thoughts. Some end up taking their own lives.
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Anne Holms is a former single mom whose kids have
grown and moved away. She keeps a pistol for self protection and is conscientious about keeping it locked when she is not using it. Unfortunately, the locked container is stolen from her home during a break-in while she is away.
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Anne Holms is a former single mom whose kids have
grown and moved away. She keeps a pistol for self protection and is conscientious about keeping it locked when she is not using it. Unfortunately, the locked container is stolen from her home during a break-in while she is away.
Under I-1639, Anne is guilty of community
endangerment and is prosecuted as a criminal when her gun is stolen and used in a robbery where a clerk is shot.
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Washington state continues a precarious financial
juggling act, not helped by an Attorney General and Governor repeatedly engaging in spurious, contrived lawsuits against the Federal government.
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Washington state continues a precarious financial
juggling act, not helped by an Attorney General and Governor repeatedly engaging in spurious, contrived lawsuits against the Federal government.Making matters worse the Attorney General and courts will be untangling this initiative in the courts for decades. For example, the storage requirement is clearly overruled by the storage findings of the landmark Heller case of 10 years ago. It will cost the state millions….paid for by peeved taxpayers.
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Cabelas hires 10 additional seasonal employees from
early November until just after Christmas.
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Cabelas hires less seasonal employees during the
holiday season and lays off 2 permanent employees due to the financial chaos wrought by this overly broad and clumsy initiative.
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The state legislature continues to occasionally
consider firearms laws. As has become virtually a tradition, gun control activists are given prior notice of hearing dates and are bused in and issued color-coordinated orange shirts by out of state financier Michael Bloomberg.
They are still outnumbered by gun rights activists
who manage to take off days from work on short notice. Little changes.
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The state legislature continues to occasionally
consider firearms laws. As has become virtually a tradition, gun control activists are given prior notice of hearing dates and are bused in and issued color-coordinated orange shirts by out of state financier Michael Bloomberg.
They are still outnumbered by gun rights activists
who manage to take off days from work on short notice.
However, some things have
changed.
– Democrats have
decided that it is now open season on gun owners and begin constant efforts to enact ever stricter gun laws, like California does. Washington state gun owners, used to a fairly stable set of laws, are left uncertain from one year to the next which of their guns will remain legal
– Some legislation is
passed without real feedback over a weekend, as was attempted in 2018.
– At the same time,
the gun owners who up to now have had a huge stake in obeying all laws conclude that there is no point in doing so.
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Of course, the creators of this initiative view nearly all of this as features and not bugs. An increase in crime and chaos paves the way for more government infringement of our rights.
Vote NO on I1639 and ask your friends, relatives, and neighbors to vote no. Get materials to help get the word out.
Donate your time and money to fund efforts (as I have also done) to defeat I-1639.
A civil society is dependent upon not having runaway hostile emotions. You might get angry with your spouse, a co-worker, a neighbor, a political party or, on a global scale, another nation. In most cases these are bursts of anger that, when put into the larger perspective its not worth severing the relationship or escalating the hostilities. Everyone is going to have a better life if the parties can freely interact to the mutual benefit of everyone. If there is no mutually beneficial interaction at the current time that doesn’t mean that there won’t be such need in the future.
For example, suppose your neighbor’s dog sometimes poops in your yard. If you escalate the situation and you end up not being on speaking terms it going to be tough to help each other when you need to cover your windows with plywood to protect against a hurricane.
This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t put a stop to the neighbor’s kid torturing your cat or you finding a new job and telling your boss he is a jerk when you leave. There are times when you must take action to protect yourself.
I would like to express this philosophy more succinctly and refer to it in the future as Huffman’s rule of social interaction:
Never burn bridges.
Wait until your enemy is crossing it and then use explosives.
“And please don’t respond. I detest when men who don’t read Design Mom come here and lecture this community of incredibly smart, well-educated women.”
You want to advocate that tens of millions of Americans be made in to felons to be hunted by police, but you object to any of those people you would make into felons merely typing a reply to your advocacy of their demise?
That doesn’t sound smart, and it doesn’t sound well-educated.
How did the United States take land from the Native Americans? Part of it was by taking their guns first.
How did the Germans push the Jews in to the ghettos? Partly by taking their guns first.
How did the Turks exterminate so many Armenians? They took the Armenians’ guns first.
How did Mao kill tens of millions? Pol Pot? Stalin?
The history of gun confiscation is the history of marginalized groups being exterminated by the majority.
Just because you yourself have no such desire has no effect on what the people you give this power to will do.
To see just what a bad idea taking all the guns away is, let’s change out the groups you want to make defenseless, and see how it sounds:
No African Americans should be allowed to own guns.
No women should be allowed to own guns.
No single moms should be allowed to own guns.
No Jews should be allowed to own guns.
No LGBTQ+ people should be allowed to own guns.
Pretty ugly, right?
I hope you aren’t advocating that a gay person isn’t allowed to defend themselves from gay bashing.
Brian Keith
October 15, 2018
Via Email.
[The quote from Design Mom can be found in the comment of February 19, 2018 at 12:33 pm here.
Noticed the condescension and the attempt at “reasoned discourse”. Typical.—Joe]
Via a tweet:
Now, the days of gun ownership are numbered. We are going to vote to take your guns. All of them.
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I always love these circular arguments of “what about ..” This is exactly why I support a ban. Of course we can’t solve this when there is no logic or intellectual component to the debate. So there is only one possible solution: take all the guns.
Gabrielle Blair
February 18, 2018
It’s Too Late. You’ve Lost Your Guns.
[Don’t ever let someone get away with telling you no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]
Via a tweet:
We should ban possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, we should buy back such weapons from all who choose to abide by the law, and we should criminally prosecute any who choose to defy it by keeping their weapons.
Eric Swalwell
U.S. Representative from California
May 3, 2018
Ban assault weapons, buy them back, go after resisters: Ex-prosecutor in Congress
[Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.
We should criminally prosecute those who attempt to deprive us of our rights.—Joe]
Via a tweet:
If you want to keep guns out of it he [sic] hands of loons, vote for I-1639.
25cents
October 9, 2018
Comment to Washington’s I-1639 would implement some of the nation’s most stringent gun-control laws
[This is what they think of you.
Also of note is that from reading their comment it is clear they overestimated their worth when they chose a name.—Joe]
