Proof by ridicule

I just love it when people attempt to prove their point without addressing your point, supply facts, or even present a logical argument.

Probably my favorite of these techniques is proof by ridicule. I just became aware of someone addressing some of my writings in this manner as in, “Incidentally, this is the stupidest thing i’ve read so far today.” An earlier, even more blatant case is here.

Another methodology that gets high praise from me is proof by vigorous assertion–as in this case.

I would like to ask, “Who do they think they have positively influenced in this manner?” But I know that expecting people to be rational is irrational and that a great many people will think such methods are irrefutable when it allows them to continuing to believe what they want to believe. This is, of course, just a minor variation of Paul Simon’s acute observation.

Still, the people in the “undecided” category will have a greater tendency to “vote your way” when presented with such proofs by people that lack sufficient character to admit they were wrong. It can be frustrating but it’s not a fruitless exercise if it’s a public debate. One-on-one you might as well walk away from it. As Dale Carnegie said, “Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.”

Another applicable Dale Carnegie quote on this topic will be used for the QOD tomorrow.

The “Right” to Enslave

First:  Thank you, Joe, for allowing me to post on your blog.  The trouble is I have this terrible habit of writing whole essays (but I did get freedom, gun rights and sex into a single issue):

Years ago I had a conversation with a man who considered himself a libertarian– one who had been reading Ayn Rand’s definitive work, “Capitalism”. He persisted in trying to convince me that “state’s rights” might properly involve the right to “allow” slavery if the people of that state so choose. It took some doing before I could get him to admit that just maybe, there can be no right to enslave, because such a “right” involved the blatant violation of rights.

I ran across two examples of this kind of silliness today.  One was in a discussion of self protection rights. A state “shall issue” concealed carry law, it was asserted, would take away “local discretion”, or to put it another way, it would deny local governments the “right” to ban the carrying of concealed guns. In another discussion I heard of the practice of removing a girl’s clitoris being described as though it were a right, or as a “traditional cultural practice” that certain peoples had a right to exercise.

In both cases, there is desire to define the protection of Liberty (the right to bear arms, or the right to keep your body parts) as “taking away local discretion” as though local “discretion” (to impose force upon individuals) is the same thing as Liberty. Lets apply that position to some other hallmarks of a free society: Nation-wide Emancipation denies “local discretion” regarding the keeping of slaves. The First Amendment takes away “local discretion” regarding the confiscation of computers and printing machines or the forced shut-down of local radio stations, and it takes away “local discretion” to ban Jews from owning land.

I guess we’re not “free” after all if we don’t have “local discretion” to ban or confiscate anything we want, or to cut various body parts off of anyone we want, so long as it gives us the sort of “Culture” we desire for “Our Community” and what about “democracy” after all? (Is anyone else reminded of Jim Jones at this point?)

Such an attitude is rooted in a fairly complete lack of principles and a total ignorance of the U.S. Constitution and history. Government’s job, in the uniquely American sense, is to protect us from force and fraud, to ensure our right to life and property, and to ensure our right to peaceable, voluntary association and exchange with others.

That’s it. Whether government has “local discretion” or “regional discretion”, or “global discretion” to control us, rob us, allow our neighbors to cut pieces off us, or enslave us, the outcome is going to be very much the same—violation, stagnation, decay, and suffering.

Government, properly, has only responsibilities. We as individuals retain all the discretion, and we as individuals, or as collectives, do not have any “right” to initiate force or fraud upon anyone, no matter how wonderful and “Cultured” it might make us feel. Is that so terribly difficult to understand?

GRPC 2006

Victory In Sight. I highly recommend this conference.  I was a speaker at the Gun Rights Policy Conference in 1999 and 2000. I have been wanting to go back every year since then but I could never quite make it work. This year I decided to attend the Gun Blogger Rendezvous instead since it was closer and hence would take less time and money.

Maybe next year.

Monitoring

From the Chicago Tribune (and here):

In a documentary taped earlier but scheduled to be broadcast Sunday on the BBC, Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard’s anti-terrorism branch, said that “thousands” of British Muslims are now being monitored by police and intelligence agencies.

And from The Observer:

Police are investigating a network of terror training camps across Britain which they fear are nurturing a new wave of home-grown Islamic extremists. The investigation is linked to raids late on Friday in which anti-terrorism officers arrested 14 people.

Yesterday police also sealed off a school in East Sussex run by an Islamic charity, Jameah Islamiyah, in the grounds of which The Observer understands the jailed cleric Abu Hamza secretly ran terror camps, training young militant Muslim men to use firearms.

…

A counter-terrorism official described the arrests as part of a ‘new plank’ of attack against Islamic terrorists in Britain, one that targets their ‘upstream’ activities. ‘It is not just about disrupting specific plots,’ the source said. ‘It is about closing down their opportunities to plan these attacks. Those that set up terror training camps are very much in our sights.’

The source said they were not just talking about military-style camps, but bases where religious extremists ‘bonded’ and indoctrination took place preparing young extremists to become suicide bombers.

The source refused to quantify the number of camps they were investigating, but confirmed there were likely to be several around the UK, both in metropolitan areas and remote rural regions.

The Observer understands camps have operated in some of Britain’s most isolated areas including Scotland, Wales and the Lake District. There has long been speculation that Abu Hamza operated a training camp in the Brecon Beacons in Wales and an unknown location in Scotland. At least two of the 7/7 bombers were known to have gone on white water trips in North Wales before their lethal attacks in London, and the use of activity-based training camps are suspected of playing a pivotal role in preparing young extremists.

At first glance this might seem reasonable. But what of the precedent being set? What if it were Jews being monitored and their firearms training being investigated in Germany in 1938? For those that don’t pay that much attention the German Weapons Control Act of 1938 forbid Jews from owning firearms.

I am certain we must Destroy Their Culture. But unless there is some probable cause (does being Muslim constitute probable cause?) I’m uncomfortable with widespread monitoring. Yes, I realize this is the U.K. we are talking about in this case but in many cases restrictions on human rights in the U.K. are a predictor of things to come in the U.S.

Quote of the day–Liz Mort

A gun is a very important part of a farmer’s equipment. There are more illegal guns held within the M25 than the whole of the British Armed Forces.

Getting a gun illegally has never been easier. People who want to use them illegally do not get them registered.

Liz Mort
August 30, 2006
Concern as gun numbers soar in Suffolk
Eastern region spokeswoman for the Countryside Alliance

[See also the Countryside Alliance our shooting campaign. I thought everyone had given up over there. Apparently resistance fighters still exist. I think I see more free Boomershoot entries for U.K. entrants again. This quote brought to you via Phil and Kevin.–Joe]

Quote of the day–Howard Nemerov

Professor Fox’s maundering is based upon the unproven assumption that more gun control will lead to less violence. He believes that being a university professor entitles him to dictate public policy, and our request for supporting statistics is irrelevant because we are not part of his Ivory Tower clique. He uses his command of the English language to create subtle innuendos to label us gun-fetishists and paranoids, and to imply that we have taken the government hostage like so many terrorists.

It’s easy to lose touch with reality when one gets to live life in a protected enclave with a tenured position from which one can espouse fanciful ideologies without impacting job security. Regardless of the damage inflicted on regular people for implementing his recommendations, by nature of his gentrified position it’s unlikely the “Dean of Death” will be suffering the consequences of his beliefs.

Howard Nemerov
September 2, 2006 – 10:41
Gun Control: Rebuttal to James Alan Fox
[An excellent fisking of this bigot (also referenced by another bigot here).–Joe]

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XVI

Handguns are banned in the U.K.  So this couldn’t have happened:

Gun gang hit church club

THESE sickening CCTV images show merciless robbers storming a church social club where they threatened to shoot OAPs.

The three cowards, two with guns, stopped two elderly women escaping the venue. They bundled one over before dragging the 83-year-old into the main hall.

The gang then told the ten staff and customers to sit with hands behind their heads at Our Lady of Assumption Church’s parish club in Childwall in Merseyside.

Manageress Lynn Goulding, 54, said: “The gun sounded like a firecracker. I grabbed one of the men through sheer panic but he hit me on the chin.

“I can’t believe I was inches from a man pointing a gun at me. It was the most horrific experience of my life. I’m still shaking.”

The gang stole £970 and fled Wednesday’s 1am raid in a 4×4.

 

Quote of the day–Jeff Cooper

Anyone who studies the matter will reach the conclusion that good marksmanship, per se, is not the key to successful gunfighting. The marksmanship problem posed in a streetfight is ordinarily pretty elementary. What is necessary, however, is the absolute assurance on the part of the shooter that he can hit what he is shooting at – absolutely without fail. Being a good shot tends to build up this confidence in the individual. Additionally, the good shot knows what is necessary on his part to obtain hits, and when the red flag flies, the concentration which he knows is necessary pushes all extraneous thinking out of his mind. He cannot let side issues such as fitness reports, political rectitude, or legal liability enter his mind. Such considerations may be heeded before the decision to make the shot is taken, and reconsidered after the ball is over; but at the time, the imperative front sight, surprise break must prevail.

Thus we have the paradox that while you almost never need to be a good shot to win a gunfight, the fact that you are a good shot may be what is necessary for you to hold the right thoughts – to the exclusion of all others – and save your life. This may come as a shock to a good many marksmanship instructors, but I have studied the matter at length and in depth, and I am satisfied with my conclusions.

Jeff Cooper
From Jeff Cooper’s Commentaries
Vol. 5, No. 1
January 1997

Released felons and RKBA

SayUncle brings up an interesting point. I don’t bring it up very often, but my position has long been that if someone has proved themselves so dangerous to society they can’t be trusted with possession of a gun then they can’t be trusted with a can of gasoline and a book of matches either. Either lock them up and try to keep them from possessing any weapons or let them out where they have access to all types of weapons. Prohibiting them from possession of a firearm just doesn’t make any sense to me.

Drive-by shootings in shall issue states

I just read this and came up with a hypothesis I would like to explore. The hypothesis is, “States that have shall issue laws regarding concealed weapon have lower rates of drive-by shootings.”

I specifically wonder about drive-by shooting because I envision them happening in the evenings/nights when people are more likely to be carrying their personal protection tools with them. During the day bigoted employers have rules prohibiting the exercise of your rights while on company property and violent crime against these people, even if temporarily off company property, is less likely to be met with an armed response.

I haven’t even done a simple search engine inquiry for the data yet, but has anyone seen any papers/reports that address the issue?

Oh, I also wanted to point out that the newspaper reports it was a “gunman driving a car”, not a “car driver with a gun”. And of course the response will be that we need to eliminate gunmen, not eliminate car drivers.

Quote of the day–Robert A. Humphrey

An undefined problem has an infinite number of solutions.

Robert A. Humphrey
[Early in my career as an engineer a wise technical manager, Ken M. at Teltone, told me it was more important to define the problem than discover a solution. It took me a few real world experiences to fully appreciate this observation. Now I see the wisdom of his counsel all around me. Gun control becomes crime control, airport security becomes defending against terrorists, and the war on terror becomes the war against Islamic extremists.–Joe]

This is what happens in places without guns–Case XV

The police can’t protect you. You are responsible for your own safety. The police are reactive and show up to draw the chalk outline on the sidewalk and make a good faith attempt at finding your killer. It’s too bad Mr. Woodhams and his family had to discover this on their own rather than the entire culture understanding the idiocy of banning the tools of self-defense:

The Metropolitan police have apologised for “any hurt” caused by their failure to prevent the fatal shooting of a 22-year-old father.

Peter Woodhams was shot in Canning Town, east London, on August 21st after confronting a group of youths and died later at Royal London hospital.

It later emerged that the TV engineer had been stabbed in the neck nearby exactly seven months earlier, but no-one was ever charged.

The victim’s fiancee claims that police did not launch a thorough enough inquiry in January and Commander Rod Jarman admitted that an internal police investigation was needed.

“We will robustly deal with any failings in our investigation of the previous incident and make sure that those matters are dealt with,” he said.

“I would also like to make my apologies for any hurt that that investigation may have caused the family.”

Clarity is Poison

…or maybe kryptonite.  Demanding clarity from a socialist is, universally, considered a personal attack.  Remember this next time you see a Leftist interviewed.  Here is just one of countless examples.  Its from 1994, the year of the deadly “assault weapon”:

Quote of the day–Jackie Mason

My position is that anybody who’s in favor gun control is a fucking moron.

Jackie Mason
From Penn and Teller: Bullshit! Gun Control
See also Wikipedia.
[Actually, I can think of three other options. The gun control advocate could also be one or more of the following: 1) Ignorant, 2) Evil, 3) Insane. If you are a gun control advocate and are unsure as to your classification let me know and I’ll help you figure it out.–Joe]

Penn and Teller: Bullshit! Gun Control

In case you haven’t seen it yet. It’s 28 minutes spent worthwhile even if the language is a bit crude at times.

I will be using a sentence from it for the quote of the day tomorrow.

I wonder what this means

You remember Jenny Price from the other day, right? I was just looking at who has been visiting me and saw this:

Domain Name   usdoj.gov ? (United States Government)
IP Address   149.101.1.# (US Dept of Justice)
ISP   US Dept of Justice
Location  
Continent  :  North America
Country  :  United States  (Facts)
State  :  Maryland
City  :  Potomac
Lat/Long  :  39.023, -77.1993 (Map)
Distance  :  2,059 miles
Language   English (United States)
en-us
Operating System   Microsoft WinXP
Browser   Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; DOJ3jx7bf; SV1; DI60SP1001; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
Javascript   version 1.3
Monitor  

Resolution  :  1280 x 1024
Color Depth  :  16 bits

Time of Visit   Aug 21 2006 7:30:47 am
Last Page View   Aug 21 2006 7:31:54 am
Visit Length   1 minute 7 seconds
Page Views   2
Referring URL http://blogsearch.go…22&btnG=Search Blogs
Search Engine blogsearch.google.com
Search Words guns & “jenny price”
Visit Entry Page   http://blog.joehuffm…55-698f2960fb51.aspx
Visit Exit Page   http://blog.joehuffm…/Thinking Small.aspx
Out Click    
Time Zone   UTC-5:00
Visitor’s Time   Aug 21 2006 10:30:47 am
Visit Number   95,122

I wonder why the DOJ is interested in what bloggers are saying about Jenny Price. Did she get a credible death threat or something?

Very interesting…

Gun Blogger Rendezvous

I just made all my reservations for attending the Gun Blogger Rendezvous in Reno. There are already lots of people signed up that I’m looking forward to meeting. You don’t have to be a blogger to attend, just have an interest in meeting some of the gun bloggers.

See you there?

Ignoring the obvious

Despite standing right beside the Muslim extremist who shot her and listening while he “ranted on the phone about Jews, Israel and the U.S. role in the war in Iraq and the Middle East” Ms Klein is concerned about all the wrong things:

Klein said she hopes the shooting will serve to renew local and national efforts to draft gun control legislation.

How and why Haq “was able to legally acquire two semi-automatic weapons in our state is still a very disturbing mystery to me,” she said.

…

“Naveed Haq has wasted enough of my time,” she said.

Huh? Haq is the reason she may not regain the use of her hand. His extremist religious beliefs are the reason he and millions of others want her dead. And she is distrubed because it’s legal to purchase firearms? Had she purchased and carried a similar firearm she and others might not have been shot. She should exercise her rights, her brain, and before pushing for more useless gun control legislation answer Just One Question.

For reference see:

Going for the emotion

As pointed out by Denise, Jenny Price wrote another editorial. This time on gun owners instead of guns. I commented on her last one here. This one is about being “Targeted by Gun Nuts”. At the time I suspected she visited my blog a week or two after I wrote that post because of what I saw in my log file, but one never knows for certain.

Jenny, if you visit again please answer Just One Question.

I think the most telling part of the editorial are the last two paragraphs:

…do you really want these people on these websites (and 40 million other people in the country) to have guns?

I can cite statistics, and I can tell you why the right to carry a 9-millimeter semiautomatic handgun with a 10-shot clip is not guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. But the paranoia and bone-chilling hatred that spew from such sites as packing.org and freerepublic.com make for an equally — and unusually — effective argument for a ban on handguns.

She can cite statistics but can she do it correctly? Last time she had a terrible problem doing so. I’ve looked around a fair amount this morning and as near as I can tell she is off by about a factor of two, on the low side, with the number of gun owners in this country.

And if she can tell us why the 2nd Amendment doesn’t guarantee us the right to carry a 9mm handgun with a 10 round magazine there are some others besides me who would be interested in her reasoning. For example:

But then she could have done that this time but instead went for the emotional appeal and claims it’s is an unusually effective argument.

Nice twist

All though this video I get increasingly uncomfortable. I kept thinking “this can’t turn out well” and I was tempted to stop watching. The tension gradually increases and reaches a peak just as you “know” it’s going to get really ugly. It has a nice twist at the end as everything resolves in a satisfactory manner that makes it worthwhile watching. Via Ry.

It illustrates the truth of Lyle’s post from the other day.