And their point is?

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has ruled:

As to the ban on large-capacity magazines, the court upheld it by again pointing to Newtown and the shooter’s ability to fire “154 rounds in less than five minutes” — an observation that was in line with the lower court’s finding that “large-capacity magazines result in more shots fired, persons wounded, and wounds per victim than do other gun attacks.”

Using that criteria they could also ban six shot revolvers as well as ten round magazines. And I expect, single shot guns. As that is only about one shot every two seconds. Certainly two round magazines would be fail their criteria.

Here you see 12 shots from a revolver in under three seconds:

Hence, using a revolver, people could shoot 154 rounds in less than 40 seconds. Okay, not everyone is Jerry Miculek. And this was pretty much a peak achievement for Jerry. Even multiplying Jerry’s time by a factor of three, which brings it into the range of mere mortals, results in the 154 rounds being fired in less than a minute and a half.

Here I demonstrate shooting 35 rounds in less than 16 seconds with 10 round magazines even though I had to clear a malfunction:

This means one could easily fire 154 rounds in less than a minute and a half.

What these people don’t realize is that the size of the magazine isn’t the critical part of putting a lot of bullets on target. It’s the target acquisition time. If the number of shots fired per unit time were something they were seriously going to restrict they would have to ban cartridges.

Of course they would consider that a valid and worthy goal. But it would be ignored and just as easily circumvented as their existing ban on standard capacity magazines.

So, what’s their point? I have to conclude Ayn Rand has their number.

Quote of the day—Rev. John Buttrick

We need the president, Congress, governors, councils, legislators and citizens to discuss the options for creating a society where gun ownership is an exception not the norm.

∎ We can protect our homes with a network of good neighbor communications and an attitude of welcome to the stranger.

∎ We can learn to participate in and strengthen our democratic society as the way to prevent government from becoming oppressive. (No amount of home firepower can protect us today from a rogue government army in possession of assault weapons, rockets, tanks, drones and overwhelming air power).

∎ We can provide gun rentals at firing ranges for the sport of target shooting.

∎ We can re-evaluate the ethics of hunting for sport while permitting the use of basic rifles and shotguns for hunting food and for predatory animal control in rural settings.

∎ We can work for an economic system that is fair for all people, narrowing the gap between the wealthy and the poor.

∎ We can advocate against all forms of racism and cultural bias.

Gun legislation and/or constitutional amendments may be far in the future. But political, religious and social leaders and every citizen can begin to cultivate a climate that discourages gun possession.

Rev. John Buttrick
October 17, 2015
My Turn: The path to end gun violence
[He’s delusional and/or hopelessly naïve.

But the one thing you want to remember about this is that you should never let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Gun grabber dream

Via Sebastian and an email from Barron we have Josh Marshall demonstrating he has crap for brains as well as honesty:

We’re now actively debating things that no civilized country has ever even contemplated – the right to take a semi-automatic weapon into a family restaurant or shopping mall.

Nope. That debate was over years ago. We have concealed carry (theoretically, even if it is impractical in some cities or states) in the entire country. Since this guy clearly doesn’t know or care to know what he is talking about you can safely dismiss everything else he has to say except this:

yes, we really do want to take your guns. Maybe not all of them. But a lot of them.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.

Dear Josh,

Molon labe. I’ll be ready. Will you?

Your move.

Regards,

Joe

Quote of the day—Joeann Edmonds-Matthew

Please really think about guns and what they do. They KILL and that is all they do. Also the right to bear arms is for a militia and does not include Automatic weapons.

Joeann Edmonds-Matthew
October 5, 2015
In response to this comment to Oregon Shooter’s Mom Is A Paranoid Gun-Hoarder Who Taught Her Unstable Son To Love Guns
[This is what they think of guns and the right to keep and bear arms. It is total crap for brains on full display. And they want us to “really think”?—Joe]

Quote of the day—RD Copeland‏@RD_Copeland

@andreagrimes first gun nut I see in the grocery store gets slapped up side the head and his tiny penis (aka gun) taken away.

RD Copeland‏ @RD_Copeland
Tweeted on March 17, 2015
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday!

Via email from malroadkill.

Apparently Copeland does not realize they are announcing to the world their intention to commit the crimes of assault, battery, and theft. This also demonstrates Copeland may someday have an excellent chance to earn a Darwin Award.

All of this should surprise no one. Nearly all anti-gun people have crap for brains.—Joe]

Quote of the day—enlightenment

I really wish someone would start seriously wondering why having private, for-profit companies running – and ruining – the lives of millions is a good thing.

At the very least, there should be serious limits put on their role in society, because at this point, they own us all.

enlightenment
October 1, 2015
Comment to Experian says 15M have info stolen in hack of T-Mobile data
[“enlightenment” thinks serious thought should be given to eliminating private, for profit, companies? I presume that the functions performed by private companies for everything from the food supply and health care to banking, communication, manufacturing, and transportation should all by done by the all powerful, benevolent government, right?

I don’t think there has been any other political system than that which I suspect “enlightenment” desires which has been more thoroughly tested or found to have inflicted more evil upon society. In the 20th century alone there were hundreds of millions of people murdered trying to make such systems work.

People such as “enlightenment” cannot possible have a mind that functions in any sort of way that I think of as normal. The overwhelming evidence of the errors of their thinking can only mean they have total crap for brains. That such people exist, in apparently large numbers, means the right to keep and bear arms is just a critical to the security of the free state today as it was 200+ years ago..—Joe]

Fisking the modern man

The New York Times posted some drivel about ways to be a “modern man”.

Numerous others have weighed in on this:

I say a modern man is user of tools and has the right tool for the jobs he needs to do (see items 16 and 25).

Quote of the day—Andrew Cuomo

If the far right is willing to shut down the government because they don’t get a tax cut for the rich, then our people should have the same resolve and threaten to shut down the government if they don’t get a real gun control law to stop killing of their innocents.

Andrew Cuomo
New York State Governor
September 26, 2015
Gov. Andrew Cuomo Tells Democrats to Shut Down Government Until They Get Gun Control
[He wants people to shut down the Federal Government in an attempt to get what he wants?

Don’t make any promises you aren’t willing to keep!

A less active Federal government is what we want! Shutting it down means no Federal gun law enforcement during the down time. If the NICS system is shutdown then just about anyone can get a gun without a background check (with a three day wait).

These people have never been known for the rationality and this is just another example.—Joe]

I’ll blame public education

People sign petition to ban discussion of politics and religion in public.

And, not as an aside but as the central issue, notice how readily some people are led to do something that, if they thought about it and had control of themselves they would know is wrong. Some of them sign reluctantly, but they sign. You’re seeing the standard American’s hypnotic state being briefly co-opted. You can see the hesitation and the resistance, but they go along as a way of avoiding the more uncomfortable of options.

If the guy with the petition understood just a little bit more about how this works, he could have some of those people explaining in detail, specifically why the first amendment is a terrible idea, and ultimately why America should be reduced to ashes.

If we don’t get it at home, we are programmed to be pliable and moldable to other people’s will, to avoid confrontation, when we enter public education as small children.

Thank you for signing my petition to repeal the first amendment, now go back to your regular programming.

Quote of the day—Lonnie and Sandy Phillips

We hope that we are spearheading a movement to expose these egregious and unconstitutional laws for what they really are. They are an attack on our civil liberties. With these laws in place ordinary citizens are effectively barred by the exorbitant cost from bringing any civil action against sellers of firearms and ammunition.

Lonnie and Sandy Phillips
September 25, 2015
We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer
[They believe the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is an attack on their civil liberties and is unconstitutional?

I only have a small inkling of they pain and suffering they are going through with the loss of their daughter. They have a tremendous amount of sympathy from me in regards to having their daughter murdered. But I’m not going to remain quiet when they go all crap for brains on us and confuse, in essence, up from down, black from white, and right from wrong.

They should be seeking the services of a grief counselor and not attempting to infringe upon the specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms.—Joe]

Robber

There was a bank robbery here in Moscow, ID this afternoon. Somedude with a big bushy black wig, black-face makeup and loose clothing walked out with an undisclosed about of cash and got away. No story at all on how he got someone at the bank to hand over the cash, as it is reported as unknown whether was armed.

I believe it would be good bank policy to immediately open fire on anyone who attempts to rob the place, no questions asked, but that’s just me.

Quote of the day—Bob Owens

@shannonrwatts You simpering halfwit. Would you make murder more illegal? Criminals with ill intent walk past your silly signs.

Bob Owens
Tweeted on September 14, 2015
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]

QOTD – from the guy that coined the word “menticide” in 1933

“One important result of this procedure [use psychological torture and mental manipulation while pushing for a “confession” and public show trial] is the great confusion it creates in the mind of every observer, friend or foe. In the end no one knows how to distinguish truth from falsehood. The totalitarian potentate, in order to break down the mind of men, first needs widespread mental chaos and verbal confusion, because both paralyze his opposition and cause the morale of the enemy to deteriorate – unless his adversaries are aware of the dictator’s real aim.”

From “The Rape of the Mind: The Psychology of Thought Control, Menticide, and Brainwashing” by Joost A. M. Meerloo, first published in 1933

This explains the true damage “PC” speak and the language police really pose. It’s a fascinating book in many ways, and I’m not that far into it yet. It really hammers home the idea of “if you are accused of being [non-PC], never apologize, never back down, never quit (force them to fire you).”

I’m reading this book at the time – one of several I’m slowing slogging through, along with the Gulag Archipelago. Combine with “SJWs Always Lie” by Vox Day, and two recent articles on victim culture, microaggression, and “trigger warning,” ( http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/  http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ ) it’s awful easy to get depressed at just how messed up, and how mentally fragile, humans are. On one hand, these ideas explain so much of human history and current political events that it is scary, and understanding opens all sorts of doors; the fact that such ideas are all now known to me is potentially very useful. On the other hand, the fact that the people that need to know what’s being done to them are the ones that need to know this the most, and are going to be the most resistant to hearing it, and will tend to make the problems worse, is terrifying. Continue reading

Quote of the day—Sgt. Jim Barrett

Are we really expecting these people to walk down the street to this drop box, with the gun tucked in their shorts, and drop it off? It doesn’t seem to me to be a thought-out process as of right now.

Sgt. Jim Barrett
Tacoma Police Union
September 9, 2015
Worth a shot? Tacoma mulls gun ‘drop boxes’
[Here is the idea Barrett is legitimately questioning:

Gun control advocates in Tacoma, Wash., are thinking inside the box — literally — with a controversial proposal to set up a gun “drop box” to encourage residents to turn in firearms, no questions asked.

Gun “buybacks” don’t work, so why would people participate in a “giveback”?

These people are out of touch with our reality. Apparently in their reality guns are what we think of as garbage and they expect everyone to put them in bins for the local government to haul off.

As is usual, these people have crap for brains.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Patrick Hope

I chose background checks, not because it would have prevented (the Virginia shooting) but because this would be easiest to pass. We will not be able to prevent every single incident. We need to do something.

Patrick Hope
Democratic member of the Virginia state Assembly
September 4, 2015
Renewed calls for gun control laws spurring gun sales
[This guy is saying “we need to do something” in response to an incident even when everyone knows what is being suggested we do would not have made any difference whatsoever. What I want to know is how he determines “need”. Furthermore I want to know how he determines truth from falsity and right from wrong. As far as I’m concerned he just gave the world conclusive evidence he can’t be trusted driving a car, possessing matches, or even being a greeter at Wal-Mart.

There are two options here.

One option is that he is incapable of rational thought. With a mind this irrational I have no model of how to predict he might act in everyday circumstances. Suppose he says, “Hello. Welcome to Wal-Mart” and you go off script by asking, “Do you have a restroom I may use?” I have no idea what his response will be. “He has to do something” even if it cannot possibly appropriately address the issue, is totally unworkable, costs millions of dollars every year, and is unconstitutional.

The other options is that he is evil and his mindset is, “We must never let a crisis go to waste.” If this is the case he should be disbarred from all public office and prevented from ever being in a management position of, well, anything other than wiping his own ass.

I think we need background checks for public servants. If they have ever said something this stupid and/or evil they should not be allowed on a government payroll. Perhaps they could trusted to sweep sidewalks in the private sector, if they had careful supervision.—Joe]

Self defense is not a tragedy

What do you think of when you read something like this?

Schellman said Thursday’s shooting was the latest instance of a child using a gun with deadly consequences. He referenced last week’s deadly accident in which a 21-month-old toddler in another part of the county found a loaded handgun and shot himself. The child later died at a hospital.

“Children have access to guns all too often, and all too often they end in tragic circumstances,” Schellman said.

A tragedy is when innocent people are hurt or killed. I have no problem calling the case of the toddler accidently shooting themselves a tragedy. But the rest of story referenced above causes me to part ways with the portrayal of the story being of the same nature:

An 11-year-old St. Louis-area boy fatally shot a 16-year-old who entered his home during an alleged home invasion Thursday, police said.

Two people had approached the home twice before Thursday, and on the third attempt entered the house through the front door, police said. The 11-year-old who lives in the home shot the 16-year-old intruder in the head, St. Louis County police said in a statement.

Police said the 11-year-old and a 4-year-old girl who was also inside the home were not injured.

While I am saddened by the turn of events if the story is accurately described it was a justified shooting and the tragedy would be if the two children in the home had been injured or killed by the thugs invading their home. The invaders made extremely poor life choices and they are responsible for the outcome. The 11-year-old merely delivered the bullets that brought things to regrettable but satisfactory ending.

That NBC news and others are seeing this shooting as an instance of “children have access to guns all too often” there is no point in “having a discussion” with them. Self defense of innocent life is not a tragedy and when people claim it is there is something very wrong with their mental and/or moral health. They deserved to be mocked, ridiculed, and then ignored.

Quote of the day—Harrison Finzel

With regards to the weak “but there’s illegal guns” argument, mandatory registration would solve this problem. The federal (or state) governments could issue a six or 12 month window to allow people to register their firearms. All of them. This would include currently unregistered guns — this would be a way to avoid punishment for the crime for the moments and to promote more universal gun registration. If you have an unregistered gun in your possession after that point, you should be slammed with a felony that carries a minimum of 3 to 5 years of jail and heavy fines. No exceptions. No loopholes.

Harrison Finzel
September 2, 2015
Now the time to fight tooth and nail for stronger, more intelligent U.S. gun control
[This is a “textbook” case of Dustydog’s Definition. Finzel doesn’t know of the failure of registration in Canada, New York, Connecticut, and many other countries, Haynes v. Haynes says his plan is unconstitutional, no other constitutionally protected right requires registration, prosecution for failure to register is more difficult than he might think, and it can’t be any more effective than a complete ban which is an obvious failure with recreational drugs.

But Finzel is eager to spend other people’s money to engage in violence against peaceful people for no tangible benefit. I have to conclude he has crap for brains.—Joe]

It’s the gun’s fault

Found at ZeroHedge. They got it from Town Hall.

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The sad part is that it’s not so much satire as truth WRT how the media spins the narrative.

Quote – dustydog

“One definition of a liberal, is someone who doesn’t understand the problem, or the history behind it, or the concept of consequences, but is arrogant enough to think that his off-the-cuff solution should be enforced with as much violence and as much of other peoples’ money as might be required.”dustydog on August 30, 2015

Many years ago I heard that the definition of a “liberal” is “someone who’ll give you the shirt off of someone else’s back”, but this one is much better. It sums up all the horror and mass death of the 20th century in one, concise sentence. Collectivists (Progressives, Fascists, communists, et al) are either extremely evil or blind, or both. In any case they must be kept as far away from government positions as possible.

Quote of the day—JaredDudley619

We have to fixed this Gun Control problem ASAP!! Gotta get rid of these guns man!! I know it’s political on why we can’t but we gotta try!!

For the people who wanna keep guns in America, give me your reasons? Cuz if we got rid of all guns then there’s no need for protection..

JaredDudley619
Tweeted (and here) August 26, 2015
[“…if we got rid of all the guns then there’s no need for protection”? That’s definitive proof of crap for brains. And who is this “we” that are going to get “rid of all guns”?

And don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]