Why is it that when the gun prohibitionist lobby invites gun owners to sit down and negotiate, they never bring anything to the table other than expectations that gun owners will give up some of their rights?
Dave Workman
December 29, 2009
What is ‘common-sense’ firearm legislation?
[We should just work toward a middle ground.–Joe]
Sebastian posted a very important piece about what MAIG is up to. It’s important stuff but that is his domain and I don’t have the time to get up to speed on MAIG enough to contribute anything of importance to his analysis. But I do want to outline a thought experiments a point from his post brought up:
Require REAL ID compliant identification for all gun purchasers. Those in non-complying states, which are many, will no longer be permitted to buy firearms.
If a person is walking down the street with no suspicious behavior or other reasonable cause to detain that person they are not allowed to demand identification, correct? People go jogging without ID all the time right? The police don’t stop you and demand, “Papers!” in this country. I’m pretty sure that is unconstitutional.
Most states have no laws against open carry and the Second Amendment may even guarantee that as a specific enumerated right.
Therefore, you must be allowed to openly carry a firearm without carrying identification. The police must presume someone is innocent until they have probable cause to believe you are a suspect in a crime or have intent to commit a crime. Right?
If the police cannot demand identification from a person for engaging in what appears to be a legal activity then a private citizen cannot do that either, correct? And for the legislature to demand a private citizen do that as a proxy for the police would be unconstitutional as well, correct?
So when a person, who appears to be of legal age, walks into a store and buys some ammunition can the store owner be compelled to demand identification? If so, then what is the difference that enables this?
Taking this one step further, change the ammunition purchase to a firearm purchase.
At what point did a threshold get crossed and what is the constitutional principle that allowed the legislature to compel a private citizen to demand ID for someone apparently engaging in a specific enumerated right?
As I said a couple weeks ago they were going to lose on this one. It appears they are admitting defeat already:
You would think that if ever there was a political climate favorable for gun control legislation, it would be here. With the state reeling from the third police killing in two months, legislators surely feel the need to do something. A proposed assault weapons ban, to be introduced in the coming legislative session, would seem like a place to start.
Yet only one week after Washington CeaseFire held a press conference to announce the planned bill, its prospects look dim. “Frustrating, that would be the word,” CeaseFire president Ralph Fascitelli says, speaking of the reaction he’s getting from key politicians as he lobbies for the proposal.
“We don’t have the votes,” he recalls House Speaker Frank Chopp telling him recently. Fascitelli says the powerful Seattle Democrat alluded to a bloc of approximately 20 representatives in his party who are opposed to gun control legislation. In any case, Chopp told Fascitelli, he was preoccupied by the budget and upcoming elections.
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Contrary to a report last week in the Seattle Times, the Seattle Police Department has not officially come out in favor of an assault weapons ban although it is “supportive of the work CeaseFire is doing,” according to spokesperson Mark Jamieson. “We understand that discussion of gun rights legislation is polarizing,” he says.
While the bill has yet to be introduced and debated, Fascitelli already sounds bitter. When it comes to gun control, he says, “there is no leadership in this state.”
A frustrated, bitter bigot. Sounds like we are doing something right in this state.
Kill all gun owners.
Il_Deuce
December 15, 2009
Comment to Gun prohibitionists reveal strategy of upcoming attack.
[Sounds a lot like what people have said about Jews, homosexuals, and blacks over the years. And sometimes people tried to actually do just that—after they took the guns away from them.
A suggestion to Il_Deuce–bring your own body bag when you start that little project of yours.–Joe]
I wonder what made them think to ask this question?
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Oh, in case you didn’t know–it was PETN that the guy tried to take down the plane in Detroit a couple days ago.
One of the things that’s always been amazing about the left is that they do such an effective job of making people’s paranoid delusions seem to not, in fact, be paranoid delusions.
Sebastian
December 28, 2009
Hope and Change
[It’s pretty amazing alright. It’s this sort of thing that further encourages me to invest in precious metals such as brass and copper coated lead.–Joe]
When the human race has once acquired a supersitition nothing short of death is ever likely to remove it.
Mark Twain
[How many things does this apply to? Liberalism, gun control, fanatical religions, the list is practically endless.–Joe
Update: Case in point. Via Say Uncle.]
A couple months ago I mentioned a had a problem with two new magazines dropping out of my STI. Today I finally got around to fixing it.
I had measured the magazines and found they were 0.020″ narrower than the magazines that worked. It had to be the magazine release. So I bought a new magazine release (on the left below) and compared it to the old one (on the right).
Near the top of the picture compare the width of the material for the little “ledge”. The old one is much narrower. That is what engages the magazine. The old one is worn enough that it does not fully engage the magazine.
I replaced the release, took the gun and magazines to the range and put a couple hundred rounds through the gun without any problems other than one of my old magazines failing to lock the slide back on the last round. Yeah, I know the magazine followers are worn out. I’ll order some new ones and replace them soon. But that is a minor problem compared to the magazines falling out on the first shot.
I’ll do more field testing at the steel match tomorrow but I fully expect the magazine drop problem is fixed now.
Instead of identifying politicians by name or party, we ought to do so by ideology – which is uncomfortably akin to classifying strains of dysentery by patient I admit.
Will Brown
Comment to a post by Kevin Baker on November 26, 2008
[The take over of the health care industry by the Federal government reminded me of this.–Joe]
The Brady Campaign currently has 71 sponsors in the U.S. House for a bill to further restrict your right to keep and bear arms and have defacto gun registration.
They say we should have nothing to fear. But in addition to increasing the price of the gun due to the increased paperwork it create a paper trail on gun purchases. This is not acceptable in the exercise of any inalienable right. What would the outcry be if you were required to get a background check before writing a letter to the editor or have a paper trail exist for the purchase of religous books?
Even though I’m an atheist wearing my new “Bah Humbug” shirt from daughter Kim I think it is a poor reason to celebrate (CNN headline):
Woman knocks down pope at Mass; Christmas celebrations begin
As I have said many times before. It’s A Security Theater.
Here is proof:
A passenger on a Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines flight tried to detonate an explosive device that was strapped to his leg and later told investigators that he was trying to blow up the plane and had affiliations with al Qaeda, according to a senior U.S. official.
The passenger was identified by authorities as Abdul Mudallad, a 23-year-old Nigerian national, according to Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican who is the ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
The device was technologically advanced and potentially devastating, Mr. King said. “This was not a firecracker,” he said.
And what is the response? As expected, more stuff that cannot possibly help but will further restrict our freedom and make air travel more of a hassle:
The Department of Homeland Security said in a statement that airline passengers should expect to see additional screening measures put in place on both domestic and international flights.
Update: After the shoe bomber we had to take off our shoes when going through security and the security experts told us that we should just be glad that he didn’t try to blow up the plane with a bomb hidden in his underwear. I think you should be able to extrapolate the “additional screening measures” we can soon expect to see without my assistance.
From Joe D. on the Lewiston Pistol Club discussion email list:
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone.
If “bear arms” means, as we think, simply the carrying of arms, a modifier can limit the purpose of the carriage (“for the purpose of selfdefense” or “to make war against the King”). But if “bear arms” means, as the petitioners and the dissent think, the carrying of arms only for military purposes, one simply cannot add “for the purpose of killing game.” The right “to carry arms in the militia for the purpose of killing game” is worthy of the mad hatter. Thus, these purposive qualifying phrases positively establish that “to bear arms” is not limited to military use.
Justice Antonin Scalia
June 26, 2008
District of Columbia, et al., petitioners v. Dick Anthony Heller
No. 07-290
Pages 15,16
[Words mean what they mean. Not what someone wants them to mean. Hence those that wish to twist the meaning of the Second Amendment deserve our scorn and contempt and were justly slapped down by the Heller decision. Mad Hatters does describe many of the anti-gun people. –Joe]
[The purpose of the Second Amendment is] to secure a well-armed militia. . . . But a militia would be useless unless the citizens were enabled to exercise themselves in the use of warlike weapons. To preserve this privilege, and to secure to the people the ability to oppose themselves in military force against the usurpations of government, as well as against enemies from without, that government is forbidden by any law or proceeding to invade or destroy the right to keep and bear arms. . . . The clause is analogous to the one securing the freedom of speech and of the press. Freedom, not license, is secured; the fair use, not the libellous abuse, is protected.
J. Pomeroy
An Introduction to the Constitutional Law of the United States 152– 153 (1868)
From District of Columbia v. Heller pages 45 and 46.
[Citizens are enabled to exercise themselves in the use of warlike weapons. It’s the law of the land. It is a constitutionally protected, specific enumerated right.–Joe]
The right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea.
A government of laws and not of men.
John Adams
(1735-1826)
Second President of the United States
The Life and Works of John Adams (1851)
[And by necessity the same applies to the defenders of the tyrant and the thugs who enforce the orders of the tyrant. And to do this the people of the nation need the tools to accomplish this task.–Joe]
The argument that making contraceptives available to young people would prevent teen pregnancies is ridiculous. That’s like offering a cookbook as a cure to people who are trying to lose weight.
Rev. Jerry Falwell
[I don’t have to point out the parallel to those that don’t want children taught gun safety–do I?–Joe]
It’s the immortal truth of Con Law: conservative decisions are provisional while liberal decisions are eternal.
Blue
December 20, 2009
Comment to Justice Ginsburg: Supreme Court may eventually overrule Heller.
[Certainly that is the way the liberals like to think of it and the conservatives fear it is. I’m not so sure that is reality however. Heller, the (soon to be) McDonald victories and many others in the pipeline will make it difficult for liberals to undermine the right to keep and bear arms for a long, long time.–Joe]
So by the same argument that it’s no big deal, it would be ok for them to publish a registry database of where all the bloggers live, right?
I mean, you’re just exercising your 1st amendment right to free speech, nothing wrong with that, right?
Maybe you’d like to let us know what YOUR street address is, so we can get started on that…
Freddyboomboom
December 20, 2009
Comment to Take a deep breath.
[I really need to jump in on this. Soon, I hope.–Joe]
