Quote of the day—Sanjay Sanghoee

If the real purpose of guns, as ratified by the Supreme Court, is defense of one’s home, then anything that can be used to fire dozens of rounds a minute, accommodate high-capacity clips of ammunition, or spray bullets, should not be in the hands of civilians. Period. There are no legitimate uses for such weapons in civilian life, regardless of whether you need to pull the trigger once or multiple times. So stop the quibbling and let’s agree on something reasonable on this front.

Sanjay Sanghoee
August 14, 2012
After Three Shootings, America Needs Zero Tolerance on Guns
[He has crap for brains for believing there are guns readily available that “spray bullets” and there are no legitimate uses guns of the type that he attempts to describe. He makes his case worse using the faulty logic that because the Supreme Court explained one of the purposes of the Second Amendment was defense of one’s home that is the only purpose of the Second Amendment.

Furthermore he is indirectly demanding the banning of modern revolvers. Here is a demonstration of a dozen bullets fired from a revolver in under three seconds:

Although the gun probably would get too hot to hold if one were to shoot at this rate for a full minute it is reasonable to claim a rate of fire on the order of 200+ rounds per minute with a revolver. My guess is that with no more than one day of practice nearly any healthy adult could easily shoot “dozens of rounds per minute” with a revolver.

This doesn’t even address the constitutional issues of banning guns “in common use” but now that we have established Sanjay Sanghoee has crap for brains such discussions have zero additional value.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Ronald C. Dozier

I believe these facts to be incontrovertible:



  1. No State that has gone from no-carry to concealed-carry or open-carry of firearms has experienced a significant increase in firearm violence.
  2. Any evil or deranged person who is intent on killing others will find a way to do so, no matter how strict our laws.
  3. Murder is already against the law and carries very serious penalties. If that is not enough to deter someone from committing the crime, why would they be deterred by laws against gun possession?
  4. The police can’t be everywhere to protect us. Only on rare occasions is a policeman present to prevent a violent crime. Mostly they arrive after the fact, to investigate and apprehend the offender if possible.

People who don’t like guns—who don’t want to own or carry a gun for protection, have the right to rely on the government to do that for them. They do not have the right to require everyone else to do so. The Supreme Court has so decided.


As the State’s Attorney, I have to make a choice. Do I continue to enforce laws that I believe to be unconstitutional, a belief that is supported by decisions of the highest court in the land, or do I continue to prosecute citizens who run afoul of State gun laws but have no evil intent or purpose in mind? Certainly the more cautious approach to such controversial issues is to keep enforcing the law, whenever possible in the least harmful way, until enough higher court cases are resolved against them that the anti-Second Amendment folks are forced to change. I’m not willing to do that anymore—too many good people will be harmed.



Our message is this: we will no longer use the power and authority of our office to criminalize and punish decent, otherwise law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise the rights granted to them by the Second Amendment of the United States’ Constitution to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and their families.


Ronald C. Dozier
(Illinois) McLean County State’s Attorney
August 21, 2012
Emphasis in the original news release.
[Contrast this with what Handgun Control, Inc. (now Brady Campaign) had to say about Illinois a few years ago. Illinois was their model for laws on the (prohibition of) carrying of guns.


Brady supporters should read the writing on the wall, the net, and in the courts, and weep.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Mark McHugh

The path we’re on ends with mountains of corpses when the great experiment fails.

Mark McHugh
August 19, 2012
Shhhh…It’s Even Worse Than The Great Depression
[H/T to Tyler Durden.

One of his main points to support this prophecy is that the velocity of money in this country is lower than even during the Great Depression. That alone is a scary data point.

The prophecy that a lot of people are going to die as a result of government interference with the free market is consistent with what I have been saying for years. The only questions I see unanswered are the relative contribution of economic policy versus social policy and who, in what order, and how high people are stacked.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Shalom Auslander

If we can’t federally mandate new gun laws, I say we pass a federal law that all American males over 18, without prejudice or exception, be required to shave the base of their cocks. Shaving the base of one’s cock is a time-honored, porno-tested method of making one’s penis appear larger than it really is. Will this rid the country of guns? No. And it shouldn’t. But I am convinced it will rid gun-owners of the need for ever bigger, more powerful “weapons,” and their insistence on shoving those compensatory bigger guns down our gagging, metaphoric throats.

Shalom Auslander
August 14, 2012
Guns, God and Other Pricks: Is Pubic Shaving the Solution to the Firearms Epidemic? — An immodest proposal for solving handgun proliferation
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday!

H/T to David W. and Barron for the first emails. Numerous others also noticed.

Wow! Read the whole thing. This guy really has “a thing” for male genital. No argument for safety. No argument for local control in defiance of the McDonald decision. No argument that people will faint and spill their Starbucks coffee on their lap at the sight of a gun in plain view.

He is “convinced” that a perception of larger penises will “rid gun-owners of the need for ever bigger, more powerful ‘weapons’. I almost wish I had the time and interest to ask him how he determines truth from falsity and how he convinces himself of things in general. But I am nearly certain he doesn’t know himself.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jacob S.

Drive safe, be safe, carry a gun.

Jacob S.
To my daughter, Kim, every morning before she leaves for work.
[Nice. I want my daughter safe and I know most of the time she has to look out for her own safety. That Jacob is encouraging her to carry tools that enhance her safety is comforting to me.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Alan Gura

To decide this case, it is enough to acknowledge what has long been established in our legal system: access to fundamental rights does not turn on some official’s whim. No “good and substantial reason” is required to exercise fundamental rights.

History, not social science or debatable notions of public policy, determines whether the Second Amendment protects the right to carry a handgun. And because history determines that it does, the state lacks any legitimate interest in suppressing the right as an end unto itself. The exercise of constitutional rights simply cannot be against the public interest, and the state cannot satisfy any legitimate interest, however compelling, by voiding a fundamental right and forcing individuals to prove a special need to exercise it.

Alan Gura
July 30, 2012
From the appellees’ brief Raymond Woollard and Second Amendment Foundation, Inc. v. Denis Gallagher, Seymour Goldstein, Charles M. Thomas, Jr., Marcus L. Brown, Terrence Sheridan.
[In other words the question of “need” need not be answered in the case of a specific enumerated right.

I would go further and suggest that raising the question of need implies the asker should be put a watch list for potential past or future violations of 18 USC 241 and/or 242.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Justice Antonin Scalia

A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all . . . Like the First, [the Second Amendment] is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people…

Justice Antonin Scalia
June 26, 2008
District of Columbia, et al., petitioners v. Dick Anthony Heller
[Got that? After balancing the risks and benefits the highest law of the land which may only be overturned by a constitutional amendment (if then because this is in the Bill of Rights) says, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Keep that in mind when someone demands “reasonable” or “common sense” regulation of firearms.”

H/T Alan Gura in his brief.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Brennan Bailey

They’re accomplishing the impossible: of all the anti-gun stronghold states in the U.S., California is the Grand Imperial Palace of gun hatery … and Calguns is besieging and tearing it back down brick by painstaking brick. There is no superlative adequate to describe my regard for these guys.

Brennan Bailey
August 15, 2012
Via the guns email list at work.
[Yeah. I have a pretty high regard for Calguns too.—Joe]

Quote of the day—H. L. Mencken

Whenever ‘A’ attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon ‘B’, ‘A’ is most likely a scoundrel.

H. L. Mencken
[I believe this to be true with both social and economic “moral standards”. Hence I hold nearly all strong Democrats and Republicans in low regard.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Blake Zeff

No one in power is scared of the gun control movement.

Blake Zeff
August 14, 2012
What the gun control movement can learn from gay rights
[Good! That is the way it should be.

If you were to read the article you would find Zeff got it just backward. So I left the following comment for him:

The similarities between gun rights and gay rights are much greater than those between gun control and gay rights.

Gun owners just want to be left alone. 80 to 100 million gun owners and millions of gays are good neighbors, parents, co-workers, friends, and didn’t commit any crimes last year. The extremely small fraction that did commit crimes should be punished. Collective punishment and discrimination against people who have harmed no one is wrong and a very strong motivator. This injustice is the reason the NRA can motivate gun owners to vote against politicians. Politicians don’t fear the NRA. They fear gun owners who vote.

That there even exist gun control organizations is a stain in our political environment. Just as gay, black, Jew, and women control organizations would be and have been.

It appears comments are moderated so it may never show up (Reasoned Discourse) but at least I have it here.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Alexandra Rodda

Guns are such phallic symbols giving the shooters feelings of potency and such a feeling of relief when they are discharged! I’m sure that is one of the chief reasons why Americans hang on to their guns so strongly. They should know that they are not so poorly endowed that they need guns to make them adequate.

Alexandra Rodda
July 30, 2012
Comment to Michael Moore Praises, Criticizes Obama’s Stance on Gun Control
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday!

Someone should ask Ms. Rodda the process by which she determines truth from falsity. I suspect she also has some difficulties in distinguishing reality from delusion.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Ry Jones

I get crème brulee because it is the only thing you can order in a polite restaurant that is assembled with a blowtorch.

Ry Jones
August 10, 2012
[This QOTD was first posted as a Tweet.

Yesterday after work we had dinner at 13 Coins and Ry told me this as he was about to order dessert.

That Ry owns a flame thrower and makes the fireballs for Boomershoot should provide additional context.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Kiki

Just shoot yourself. The modern man doesn’t need to hunt, he has all he wants and can obtain anything without hunting or any other stupid sick barbaric medieval method. What the fuck do you know about nature? You’re just talking shit to give a “logical” explanation why you hunt, it’s all bullshit ! Cut the crap with the nice, civilized outspoken person, ’cause you’re not ! You deserve to be considered trash, you an hypocrite, people like you don’t need respect, you deserve all the swears in the world because you understand just one law, the fist in the jaw law ! Any anti-hunting or animal right argument isn’t ever good for you, you just know that one thing, that you’re the center of the world and for that you’re nothing,you’re just a waste of oxygen !

Kiki
August 10, 20112
Comment to More Attacks on Sport Shooters & Hunters
[Remember it’s in their nature for liberals to be violent.

I also have to wonder if Kiki thinks butchering animals at the slaughterhouse is somehow less barbaric than in the field. And that they want hunters dead but animals in the wild to be left unmanaged would seem to be further evidence they regard hunters as not only subhuman but even below animals in regard to respect for their lives and rights.

That’s some pretty sick stuff right there. And it’s a very good reminder of why the right to keep an bear arms is so important. People like that have no inhibitions about committing genocide.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Jennifer Rubin

Liberals would like us to believe we don’t have stricter gun control laws because politicians are putty in the hands of the National Rifle Association. In fact, most pols are exquisitely attuned to popular opinion. The reason neither Democrats or Republicans aren’t pushing for gun control is that voters don’t want it. Democracy can be a stubborn thing.

Jennifer Rubin
August 8, 2012
Thumbs down on gun control
[Rubin is correct but doesn’t go far enough. Many Liberals do not understand that facts and even reality can be a stubborn thing.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Drew Magary

You can’t make gun owners the target if you want to change the conversation. You can’t even make guns the target. The desired end result of any gun control advocate is less gun violence. In other words, less crime. That’s what you’re really fighting against. Saying you’re against guns actually distracts people from that message, and in fact invites many people to resist.

Drew Magary
August 7, 2012
Why Gun Control Isn’t Working
[What he is saying is mostly correct. What he apparently doesn’t understand is that “less gun violence” is not synonymous with “less crime”. Smart anti-gun people know that and very carefully avoid talking about less crime. The carefully chosen words they use betrays their knowledge that they are not anti-crime but rather are anti-gun and/or anti-gun owner, or just plain want to control other people.

If gun control resulted in less crime then answering Just One Question would be easy. But it has never been done in a way that would bring a smile to the gun control activist (see here for details). Magary needs to spend sometime investigating the facts before expressing his opinions. He isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Sebastian

My position is absolute. I want less, not more gun control. I’m not going to compromise or work with them on any issue unless the other side gets me in a position where the only choices are bad and worse.

Sebastian
August 7, 2012
A Defense of Absolutism
[I think there might be some exceptions to this position but generally he gets it right.

Our opponents do not have our best interest or even the interests of society at heart. Some of them openly admit that they will push for more gun control as long as there are still even one accident or crime committed which involved a gun. There is no trade-offs in their world view. They view the private possession of guns as evil. There is no negotiating with people that “think” like that. If they cannot even discuss the costs of gun control there is no point in even talking with them. They must be politically destroyed.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Lila Newark

“Freedom is on the march” – in our movie theaters now – not Ay-rak. It’s the “American exceptionalism”! If compared with the rest of the FIRST & SECOND WORLDS, where selling ammunition on the internet – like “only” 6000 rounds + assault weapons to the general population is considered INSANITY. Here is it “intended for hunting – shooting a duck”? haha. Sitting ducks? ….like sitting ducks in movie theaters? 36 acts of mass violence in 30 yrs will not deter bloodthirsty NRA money addicts who preach freedom on the outside and profit on the inside as they sell WMD to men with small brains and penises who need to be compensated by owning their big guns to make them feel like real men – and at which cost? How many more deaths does this “freedom”/insanity cost?

Lila Newark
August 1, 2012
Comment to NRA Enabled Bullets-by-Mail Used by Colorado Shooting Suspect.
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday!

If I could make sense of it I might have considered discussed threat modeling, attack surfaces, and other security analysis methods. But it is clear Newark cannot focus their own thoughts for more than a few seconds let alone grasp the thoughts expressed by someone else.

As I tried to make sense of this rambling rant I kept thinking, “Are there some meds they should be taking?”—Joe]

Quote of the day—Harveydad

For our country to meet the requirements of the Constitution, the people do not need to be armed with neither automatic weapons nor handguns. Shoulder-fired guns will meet all Constitutional requirements, and make the people safer than they have been in years.

Harveydad
July 27, 2012
Comment to Candidates Cower on Gun Control
[Harveydad has a long way to go before becoming a scholar on the gun issue. He currently couldn’t even qualify as a student in good standing.

Whether automatic weapons are protected by the 2nd Amendment is not entirely clear at this point. But the handgun issue is exceedingly clear. Just read the Heller vs. D.C. decision.

Neither handgun nor automatic weapon bans has ever, anytime, anyplace, made people safer.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Lyle @ UltiMAK

Take your feelings and go bang your head against a wall– we’re having a serious conversation here.

Lyle @ UltiMAK
August 3, 2012
Comment to Quote of the day—Charles Garcia in response to a comment from mikeb302000.
[Runner up QOTD is from Linoge in the same thread in response to the same troll.

I would like to add that if mikeb302000 were bang his head against the wall he probably would notice it feels good to stop. That would not mean it was a good thing to do in the first place.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Charles Garcia

No politician, including the most powerful man in the free world, wants to pull the trigger on solving the complex issue of gun control. The odds of political survival after such a move are worse than those in a game of Russian roulette.

Charles Garcia
August 2, 2012
Politicians hammered by the NRA
[And no politician, including the most powerful man in the free world, wants to pull the trigger on solving the complex issues of speech, freedom of association, or religion control either. So what’s his point?

Is he saying he isn’t capable of understanding the right to keep and bear arms is a specific enumerated right? In 2008 the U.S. Supreme court ruled guns in common use are protected. Earlier rulings said firearms used by the military are protected. Garcia needs to either 1) Advocate for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment and get swept into the dustbin of history; or 2) Find a cure for his ignorance problem.—Joe]