A problem with diversity

I’ve been reading what people have been saying about Utah and their proposed “state gun”:

After reading these posts, editorials, and comments it appears to me there sure are a lot of people who have a problem with cultural diversity.

Quote of the day—Meredith

What we need is Gun Rehab. Like every other irrational compulsion it may be modified by Rehabilitation. We need to start a campaign to make Gun Rehab cool. Make TV reality shows out of it. Big TV ad money there. Get Dr. Phil to rehabilitate famous gun owners who would like to give up carrying guns, if they only could. Group discussion to bring to light their compulsion and fears and expose them to the light of day. Follow through and further sessions if necessary. My god, we’ve got to do something! Let’s try that.

We must ask psychologists how therapists learn to change the belief system of a paranoid, defensive, angry, aggressive person who hates authority, must assert independence, and is detached from the suffering of others. ….has maybe a superiority complex…..to make up for feelings of weakness etc? I don’t mean only the gun shooters, No. The right wing Congress! Does this sound like some of our right wing conservative gun nuts? Full of angry, defensive, aggressive statements. Who want to get the government off all our backs. Guns defend American Freedom. No matter how much people suffer?

Let’s try to use therapist’s insights and techniques to understand their mind set and eventually arrive at a way to deal with the right wing in America. They need some kind of treatment, if not individually, then as a cultural group. They are a threat to the country, and that’s not paranoia.

Meredith
January 27, 2011
Comment to Utah’s Gun Appreciation Day.
[As someone else once said (was it Lyle?) something like, “What is it with leftists and psych wards?” If someone doesn’t agree with them they think their opponent must be insane.

If that rant doesn’t make you question the wisdom of requiring psych evaluations for gun ownership your brain isn’t firing on all cylinders. It’s the perfect Catch-22. If you want to own a gun you must be insane and therefore are not fit to own a gun.

Also of interest is that she claims we are paranoid yet says not only gun owners but “the right wing in America” are a threat to the country. One has to wonder if Meredith’s irony meter was overloaded by that comment.—Joe]

“Sporting purpose” has to go

I just finished reading the ATF Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns. Say Uncle and Sebastian already have posts up so check those out too.

My take away is that the ATF have a tough job in trying to enforce the import restrictions on firearm not suitable for sporting purposes. They struggle with how to define “sporting purpose”. They concluded IPSC and USPSA don’t qualify because those sports didn’t exist when the 1968 Congress passed the law and hence they must have meant the types of sports common at the time. In this case originalism works against us. If you recall the 1998 report (I probably have it around someplace I remember reading it and getting upset at the time) they pointed out that if the “sporting purpose” restriction is to mean anything at all then it must be a rather static definition. If it were not then some sport could be invented such that the restricted gun was particularly well suited for that particular sport and the restriction would have to be lifted. Hence the law would become meaningless.

I understand where they are coming from and once you accept they are tasked with enforcing this stupid law they are probably taking the most rational approach. For this reason I mostly give them a pass on this issue. Our real beef should be with Congress and possibly the courts.

Yes, it seems like the “sporting purpose” requirement should be easy to get thrown out by the courts because the Heller decision said the Second Amendment wasn’t about duck hunting—it was about self-defense and the militia. Hence any firearm that was useful for self-defense and military service (as per the Miller decision as well) would be explicitly protected by the Second Amendment. In the recent study they explicitly call out military purpose shotguns and accessories as being grounds to forbid the importation of them. Just exactly backwards from Miller and Heller. There might also be an “unconstitutionally vague” approach that could be used here too.

But to a large extent taking things to court is like rolling the dice unless you have lots of case law backing you up. In our situation there is probably a lot of case law against us and it will have to be evaluated at a higher level before things go our way. Hence I think the first thing that should be done is to get to Congress to remove the “sporting purpose” language from firearms law. The worst case downside of failure with this approach is things don’t change. In the case of taking things to court the worst case downside is that we get some terrible precedent established that is difficult or impossible to get out from under and it affects far more firearms than those being blocked from importation.

One of the most interesting sections of the study is actually a little off topic.

The following is from page 2 when discussing the background of the sporting purpose language:

This section addresses Congress’ concern that the United States had become a “dumping ground of the castoff surplus military weapons of other nations,” in that it exempted only firearms with a generally recognized sporting purpose.

I read this to mean that congress was trying to protect domestic manufactures from competition by foreign nations. Although I suppose it could also be interpreted as a concern that foreign nations would be able to more easily upgrade their equipment by getting cash for their old gear.

Quote of the day—kaveman

Whatever this unorganized militia of ours is doing, I think we should keep doing it.

It’s rather comforting to think that something we do in our spare time for no pay, trumps those who do this full-time for 6-figure salaries.

Kinda a David and Goliath sorta thing except we’re Goliath and we have all the damn rocks.

kaveman
January 25, 2011
Comment to Brady Campaign Response on SOTU Speech
[Political extermination of bigots is very difficult. We still have remnants of the KKK and Nazi skinheads even though their heyday was at least 60 years ago. The heyday of the anti-gun bigots was only about 15 years ago. We are definitely winning but the battle will probably never be over. We need at least two generations and probably three before their hateful culture will no longer be a threat to humanity in our country. As we win here we need to expand the war to free ourselves from other security theater areas such as search and seizure, the war on recreation drugs, ID cards, and attempt to liberate the people of other countries as well. These rights are self-evident and universal.

Keep throwing the rocks.—Joe]

No clue

Politicians must hold the all records for reaching the greatest depths of stupidity while simultaneously being considered functional members of society. Representative Peter King provides the latest example:

Defying those who assert the right to bear arms at town halls, Rep. Peter King (R-Seaford) Wednesday introduced strict new gun-control legislation that would bar people from taking firearms to public events attended by elected federal officials.

The bill would create a 1,000-foot gun-free zone around the event – not just around the lawmakers as King originally proposed…

Does he not realize that people routinely shoot at much smaller targets at much greater distances than 1000 feet? At Boomershoot the closest targets are over 1100 feet away and are only four inches square—much smaller than your average elected federal official. This fact alone makes the proposed law nearly pointless.

Okay, suppose there is no line of sight to the official from greater than 1000 feet. How does King think this law would be enforced? Does he think that a barrier will be erected 1000 feet and everyone would have to pass through metal detectors to get closer? If that is the case then the area would have to be evacuated and swept for firearms prior to the official visit. A 1000 foot radius is a minimum (this is assuming a single point rather than the perimeter of a building for measuring the 1000 feet) of 72 acres that has to be made gun free prior to the event. Add in the surface area of a multistory building and you quickly realize this isn’t practical even if the perimeter of the 1000 foot area could be made secure.

Hence, either enforcement at the perimeter isn’t what King had in mind or he believes that the criminal that would violate the laws and morals against murder will suddenly obey the law against a firearm within 1000 feet of the official. In either case he is totally without a clue or has some other motivation for his proposal.

I’m betting the answer is Representative King has no clue.

Quote of the day—Baldr Odinson

Would bringing up the issue of gun violence have been “dancing in the blood of victims” as some pro-gun people have written?  If that’s what it takes to call attention to the issue, I’ll do a freakin’ tango in a pool of it!

Baldr Odinson
January 25, 2011
President Obama, Take A Stand Against Gun Violence!
[The facts and the failed efforts of over a century of gun control aren’t sufficient to support your views. So you are willing to take advantage of people at the times when their emotions are running strongest and rational thought is at it’s lowest ebb.

It’s nice to have you admit this.

Thank you Baldr.—Joe]

It used to work but not anymore

Some people don’t realize this is the age of information. The cost in time and money to look something up is probably less than one millionth of what it was 30 years ago.

The fossils spewing their lies at Coalition to Stop Gun Violence apparently don’t really get it. Michael Beard is the President and claims to have been an anti-rights advocate as far back as the 1960s. What worked then doesn’t work now.

The thing that surprised me is they even provided a link to the newspaper article which disputed their claim rather than supporting it.

Their claim is that a criminal who killed one police officer and wounded another in Seattle in October of 2009 was a “high-profile gun rights advocate”:

Having benefitted from the anonymity of private gun sales, Monfort has also emerged as high-profile gun rights advocate.

If you read the article the only support for this is the article title of “Christopher Monfort, Second Amendment advocate?”

My understanding is that the article titles are frequently not written by the reporter and are intended to get attention with accurate depiction of the article contents being a distant second in priority. This was certainly the case this time. There was no support in the article for the claim the criminal was a gun rights advocate let alone that he had a high profile for anything other than being a cop-killer. But that didn’t stop the folks at the CSGV from making the claim.

It’s time to hang it up guys. It doesn’t work anymore. You may have a full time salary but some guy chilling in his underground bunker with his guns and ammo and a few minutes on his hands can discover and point our your deception before the end of the same day as you posted it.

So far, so good

I don’t have a TV and can’t remember the last time I actually listened to a speech anyway. I’ll read them but the bandwidth is just so low listening to them that my mind wanders and I’m miles away by the time the next thing of potential interest comes by. So I didn’t listen to President Obama tonight. There was only one thing I was interested in anyway. And that was what the Brady Campaign had to say about it.

Paul Helmke’s words should tell you all you need to know:

President Obama tonight failed to ‘challenge old assumptions’ on the need for, and political possibilities of, reducing the gun violence – which he suggested should be done two weeks ago in Tucson. He failed to recognize the power of our laws to set us on a course to reduce gun violence. We are disappointed, but we’re also determined to continue our efforts to help make our nation safer by pushing to strengthen our gun laws.

We need the president’s support now for changes in our laws to ban large capacity ammunition magazines, to tighten restrictions on who can legally purchase a gun, and to require effective background checks before these guns can be purchased.

It’s a good start.

There are some hints that President Obama may have some bread crumbs for Helmke and friends at a later time. But unless that happens within the next couple of weeks the momentum from the Tucson shooting will have almost completely dissipated.

Assuming Rep. Giffords doesn’t come out of recovery pushing for more gun control this is a huge loss for Brady Campaign. They put a lot of effort into trying to make something of their blood dance and they didn’t even get the time of day from Obama. What does that tell potential donors? It tells them giving them money is just throwing their money away.

It’s time to start looking for a new job Paul. You have piloted your organization into the ground and you might as well bail out before it augers in.

Quote of the day—Ellen Alberding

If there is a clear path to making some progress, there will be interest from other funders. No funder wants to just throw money at a problem.

Ellen Alberding
Joyce Foundation President
EllenAlberding
January 24, 2011
The Joyce Foundation: the anti-NRA
[Keep that in mind. Every fight is important. Every time they lose a fight with nothing to show for their efforts it not only demoralizes them it dries up their funding.

Even if it is a lost cause and we can’t win drawing the fight out causes them to expend limited resources. Just how limited? From the article, “With $3 million spread over 16 gun-related grants, nearly 10% of its total outlays, the Joyce Foundation spends 10 times more than the next-largest gun-control donor.”

Assuming efficient utilization of that money that is enough to fund the salaries, benefits, office space and equipment for about 30 full-time people. That doesn’t count advertisements, political contributions, travel, etc. Gun owners number in the millions of people. Even if we have to spend $100 to cause them to spend $1 it’s another step closer to victory for us.

Every penny and every minute we cause them to spend weakens them and pushes them that much closer to political oblivion.—Joe]

Unity not divisiveness

If this pundit is to be believed President Obama’s state of the Union speech will be one of unity not divisiveness. This is great news for gun owners and a slap in the face to the Brady Campaign who has been begging him for some attention.

Of course it could be the pundit considers restrictions on firearms to be non controversial but I’m certain President Obama knows better.

If the pundit is correct about the tone then I believe we are in good shape and Robb is going to be needing to send out few special Sad Panda bears later this week.

BradySuicidePanda

Guns on campus lawsuit

A lawsuit has been filed in my home town of Moscow Idaho to allow guns on campus. This is particularily interesting to me because of the home town jurisdiction, I have a daughter attending the University, Barb and I lived in “Married Student Housing” owned by the University when we first got married, and I know the judge the case has been assigned to. Judge Stegner is the father of a couple girls my daughters used to be friends with. Our children would sometimes visit each others home for parties, etc.. Judge Stegner was also the judge on the trial when I did jury duty.


There is a website for the case but there isn’t much there yet. The lawsuit claims the ban on firearms in family housing owned by the University violates the Second Amendment. One would think that the Heller decision would make this a relatively easy win but things are never as easy as one would like to think.


I certainly like the idea but it bothers me a great deal that the plaintiff, Aaron Tribble, is doing this PRO SE.


I sent an email to the lawyer that sent me the case asking what he thought the chances of screwing up things from doing this PRO SE were. I’ll try to keep everyone up to date on this action and might even have a chat with Mr. Tribble when I go back to Idaho next weekend.


Update: First error, it should have been filed in Federal Court, not locally. I wondered about that…


It also complicates a few other things that I won’t get into in a public venue.

Do the arithmetic

There are those that advocate complete registration of firearms with annual verification by the police. Those people have not done the arithmetic. It’s not even math, it’s simple arithmetic.

The exact numbers are unknown but the estimates are that there are about 200,000,000 firearms in private hands in this country. Again, exact numbers are unknown, but it is estimated there are about 80,000,000 gun owners.

The identity of each gun owner would have to be verified otherwise just like in Chicago where the cemeteries are full of registered voters a similar thing would happen with gun registration. Assuming this takes five minutes per gun owner this would consume a total of about 400,000,000 minutes or about 6,700,000 police man-hours per year.

The gun owner addresses would need to be verified every year as well. Otherwise the straw purchaser would simply give false addresses while living in a different state or live out of their motor home. Assuming some sort of efficient “address verification visits” are done to a specific area of town each day and the rural areas don’t dominate, and the gun owners are home when the police visit this is going to take something on the order of about 30 minutes per verification. This will consume about 2,400,000,000 minutes or about 40,000,000 police man-hours per year.

And if, on the average, each of those gun owners moves once every five years then the addresses would need to be updated in the system. Assuming it takes five minutes per address change this would mean it would require about 80,000,000 minutes or about 1,300,000 police man-hours per year.

Assuming it takes five minutes for each gun to be removed from its case, the serial number read, and put back in it’s case that would mean it would consume about 1,000,000,000 minutes or about 17,000,000 police man-hours per year.

This brings the total to about 65 (6.7 + 40 + 1.3 + 17) million police man-hours per year for this registration scheme to work—assuming all the gun owners were reasonably cooperative. Or about assuming 2000 man-hours per man-year this is, without any addition support or management personal, about 32,500 people involved full time. With salary, benefits, office space, and equipment this probably will come to about $100,000 per year per person. This means it would cost at least $3,250,000,000 per year.

There are about 10,000 murders committed with firearms per year so each of those murders could have 3.25 full time additional investigators and  prosecutors instead of the registration scheme.

The above is a very low estimate of the costs and ignores the following issues which increase the costs and decrease any benefits dramatically:

  • Known felons cannot be required to register their firearms (see Haynes v. U.S., 390 U.S. 85)
  • The potential for police corruption will be very high
  • The Canadian experience with firearms registration showed that millions of gun owners will not register their firearms
  • If registration would work then why didn’t the government try registration with recreational drugs or alcohol during prohibition?
  • Registration to exercise a specific enumerated right is likely to be struck down as unconstitutional
  • There will be thousands of gun owners who insist the bullets be registered before the guns and deliver those to government buildings, equipment, and employees before bringing in their guns

Update: Linoge, via email, pointed out an error in my arithmetic. I had minutes in a case where it should have been hours. This bumped the total up dramatically.

Update2: Because of additional input from the comments I fixed some typos and added words to point out this is very conservative because it assumes no additional supervisors or support staff.

Banning books

It makes as much sense as banning imported guns.

We really need to get rid of the “sporting purpose” language in our laws in regards to firearms. I would think the Heller decision would make that relatively easy.

Quote of the day—Sarah Brady

The 1998 elections are further proof that support for gun control is mainstream and mainstreet America. Furthermore, in race after race, the NRA and its deep pockets proved to be a political liability, not an asset. After yesterday’s election, I think we will see more and more candidates and Members of Congress back away from NRA money and anti-gun-control positions if they want to win the support of the American people.

Sarah Brady
November 4, 1998
Chair Handgun Control, Inc. (Now called The Brady Campaign).
1998 Elections are Grandslam for Gun Control
[How’s that mainstream gun control working out for you Sarah?—Joe]

The Liberty Pole—June, 1999

I was cleaning out the garage (I’m a terrible packrat, just ask son James) and ran across some stuff that I thought might be of interest to other gun rights advocates. This is the first of what I hope to be many items.


What inspired this was as was making the “save” or “throw” decision was an article titled “What I Have Learned From the Twentieth Century”. I have referenced this in blog posts before (here, here, and here). What I didn’t realize was that this set of lessons was written by Mike Vanderboegh and first published in the June 1999 issue of The Liberty Pole. The Liberty Pole was the official publication of the The Lawyer’s Second Amendment Society, Inc. www.thelsas.org. The organization no longer exists but you can find their archived website via the WaybackMachine. The archive has a few of the articles but not all of them.


I was just going to scan pages 1 and 4 which have the Vanderboegh article but there are other articles of interest as well so I scanned the entire issue.


Keep in mind that these were dark, dark time for gun rights advocates. Predictions of the future were correspondingly dark and ominous. My QOTD for tomorrow will give you a hint.


The images below are just barely readable but if you click on them you will get full sized version that are easily read.


Enjoy.


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Quote of the day—The Onion

The U.S. Supreme Court announced Monday that it would have to review two weeks’ worth of procedure after determining it had mistakenly based its last three rulings on a copy of the Belgian constitution left in the justices’ chambers.

The Onion
January 20, 2011
Supreme Court Mistakenly Used Belgium’s Constitution For Last 3 Rulings
[As David Hardy said, “This would explain a lot.”—Joe]

Quote of the day—Special Agent Urey W. Patrick

Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed “shock” of bullet impact is a fable and “knock down” power is a myth. The critical element is penetration. The bullet must pass through the large, blood bearing organs and be of sufficient diameter to promote rapid bleeding. Penetration less than 12 inches is too little, and, in the words of two of the participants in the 1987 Wound Ballistics Workshop, “too little penetration will get you killed.”

Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.

Special Agent Urey W. Patrick
July 14, 1989
U.S. Department of Justice
Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness
Firearms Training Unit
FBI Academy
Quantico, Virginia
[I really need to write my post on “Energy is irrelevant” someday soon. The most recent incentive was this. Like Sebastian, I’m not convinced. The ammo doesn’t make any claims in regards to energy but I can’t imagine any of the claimed benefits outweigh the penetration and accuracy issues that are not talked about.—Joe]

Hit them hard

I have been thinking about what would be the best approach to the proposed ban on standard capacity magazines. The MSM is practically foaming at the mouth about this and it hasn’t died down after nearly two weeks.

On one hand I was tempted to just ignore it. There isn’t really enough political support for the ban and it probably is going to fail with all the other things occupying the attention of our lawmakers. I though perhaps we should be focused on things we should be on the offense about. Things like getting rid of the ATF sign-off and tax on suppressors, removing the “sporting use” restrictions, getting rid of some of the stupid import bans, and more constitutional carry. The best defense is a good offense, right?

But if we ignore them might they get enough momentum to get something passed? Should we be commenting on all the newspaper websites and blogs and putting effort into stopping this attack of theirs?

After consulting with some friends and thinking about it more I have decided we can and should play both defense and offense at the same time. It may be possible what the anti-freedom people think of as an opportunity for them can actually be turned into a win for us. I’m not just talking about stopping their attack. I’m talking about inflicting serious damage to their movement.

This Tucson shooting was an incredible morale booster for them. We can and should shame and demoralize them. They have given us an opportunity to expose their deceptions, stupidity, and bigotry. The proper attitude is required but I believe we can use their own actions to push them closer to political extinction.

What I propose is that we write Congress members and Senators and express with as concise and powerful a message as we can. Hit those that want to strip us of our rights hard enough they will stay down this time. If you have the time send a message to ALL Representatives and Senators. If not, at least send it to YOUR Representatives and Senators. We should use this same message on the web via comments wherever we find even half-hearted support for the proposed ban. This message should be sent as “letters to the editor” and used in opinion pieces via normal media outlets.

The following is my proposed message. Modify and use it as you see fit.


If Representative Gifford and 19 others had been run over by a drunk driver there wouldn’t be talk of banning alcohol or automobiles. This country once banned most alcoholic beverages. We suffered the consequences, learned from our mistake, and repealed the laws.

If six people outside a gay bar had been killed and 14 others wounded by a group of 30 homophobes there wouldn’t be talk of banning groups of people greater than 10. That would be a clear violation of the right to association guaranteed by the First Amendment.

Even if a dozen religious fanatics murdered thousands of people in coordinated attacks on our country no serious consideration would be given to banning their religion.

Tens of millions of innocent people have been murdered by students of Karl Marx but no one is advocating a ban on the possession of his books to prevent murderous tyrants.

If most violent crime were committed by people with black skin there wouldn’t be talk of “reasonable restriction” encroaching upon the 13th Amendment which prohibited slavery.

When the cops acquire evidence or a confession illegally, or when they fail to Mirandize somebody they arrest, we let the accused walk, even if he’s certainly guilty. If the guy who walked promptly kills somebody, that doesn’t lead us to reconsider the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. We blame the cops who screwed up the case. Innocent Americans have died because we maintain the rights of the accused.

In this country we have principles which we hold to even if the cost is sometimes great. We value freedom even when some people abuse that freedom. We hold individuals responsible for their actions not the group to which they belong or the freedom itself.

The proposed ban on magazines of greater than 10 rounds is a proven failure. The DOJ studies on the effects of the 1994 to 2004 ban on these magazines showed this. Even after nearly ten years the DOJ sponsored study concluded, “Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.” We don’t need to relearn the lessons of prohibition, the war on drugs, and the 1994 “Assault Weapon” ban. We are better students of history than that.

The proposed ban would affect tens of millions of gun owners and ban 100s of millions of magazines. Nearly all police officers in this country carry magazines of greater than 10 rounds. These magazines are used in firearms used for self-defense, hunting, and numerous sports. Ask your local police officers if they carry magazines with capacities of 10 rounds or more. If they find them useful then so do the millions of others who use them for legitimate self-defense. These are not “high capacity magazines” that are being targeted. These are normal capacity magazines.

The proposed ban would apply not only apply to millions of handguns sold every year, the most popular rifles, but even some shotguns. These magazines more than satisfy the “common use” requirement for protection as outlined in the famous 2008 DC v. Heller Supreme Court case. To ban them would not only be pointless from a public safety perspective, it would be overturned by the courts, and subject this country to a long and divisive conflict when we need to focus on other issues of great importance.

Those advocating for the ban are either ignorant of the uselessness of it and how common by these devices are or know and don’t care. Actions advocated by ignorant people cannot be considered anything but foolish. Actions advocated by people who know they are pointless must have an ulterior motive.

People who claim the price of freedom is too high should try suggesting that to their friends and neighbors with dark colored skin or different religious beliefs before suggesting that to the 80 million gun owners in this country. The price we paid and continue to pay for freedom from slavery, religious tolerance, and the right to keep and bear arms was and is great but it is far less than the cost of not having those freedoms.

We have a name for ignorant people with an irrational hatred of people who they neither understand nor want to understand and persist in advocating those beliefs. It’s time we started using that name to describe them.

Just because we tolerate bigots doesn’t mean we approve of them or allow them to legislate their agenda. Don’t let the bigots who hate gun owners infect the rest of the country.


Update: Some minor changes were made upon the recommendations of several readers and advisors. Keep the suggestions coming! Thank you.

Update2: Taking the advice (which I think is sound in this case) of ubu52 I am doing some more editing. See below.


Cases where determined bad guys continued to fight after being shot more than ten times are very common. People who proposed private citizens self-defense is served with ammunition capacity limited to ten rounds need to read the literature and talk to self-defense trainers rather than believe what they see in the movies.

In the famous 1986 FBI Miami shootout eight trained FBI agents fired nearly 100 rounds to stop two bank robbers. One of the robbers continued to fight until hit 12 times. A 10 round restriction on magazine capacity will result in many needless deaths and injuries to innocent people confronted by attackers and unable to adequately defend themselves.

Even if we ignore the obvious need for full capacity magazines it is called a Bill of Rights. Not a Bill of Needs.

If most violent crime were committed by people with black skin there wouldn’t be talk of “reasonable restriction” encroaching upon the 13th Amendment which prohibited slavery.

Tens of millions of innocent people have been murdered by students of Karl Marx but no one is advocating a ban on the possession of his books to prevent murderous tyrants.

Even when 19 religious fanatics murdered thousands of people in coordinated attacks on our country no serious consideration was given to banning their religion.

In this country we have principles which we hold to even if the cost is sometimes great. We value freedom even when some people abuse that freedom. We hold individuals responsible for their actions not the group to which they belong or the freedom itself.

The proposed ban on magazines of greater than 10 rounds is a proven failure. The DOJ studies on the effects of the 1994 to 2004 ban on these magazines showed this. Even after nearly ten years the DOJ sponsored study concluded, “Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.” We don’t need to relearn the lessons of prohibition, the war on drugs, and the 1994 “Assault Weapon” ban. We are better students of history than that.

The proposed ban would affect tens of millions of gun owners and ban 100s of millions of magazines. Nearly all police officers in this country carry magazines of greater than 10 rounds. These magazines are used in firearms used for self-defense, hunting, and numerous sports. Ask your local police officers if they carry magazines with capacities of 10 rounds or more. If they find them useful then so do the millions of others who use them for legitimate self-defense. These are not “high capacity magazines” that are being targeted. These are normal capacity magazines.

The proposed ban would apply not only apply to millions of handguns sold every year, the most popular rifles, but even some shotguns. These magazines more than satisfy the “common use” requirement for protection as outlined in the famous 2008 DC v. Heller Supreme Court case. To ban them would not only be pointless from a public safety perspective, it would be overturned by the courts, and subject this country to a long and divisive conflict when we need to focus on other issues of great importance.

Those advocating for the ban are either ignorant of the uselessness of it and how common by these devices are or they know and don’t care. Actions advocated by ignorant people cannot be considered anything but foolish. Actions advocated by people who know they are pointless must have an ulterior motive.

People who claim the price of freedom is too high should try suggesting that to their friends and neighbors with dark colored skin or different religious beliefs before suggesting that to the 80 million gun owners in this country. The price we paid and continue to pay for freedom from slavery, religious tolerance, and the right to keep and bear arms was and is great but it is far less than the cost of not having those freedoms.

We have a name for ignorant people with an irrational hatred of people who they neither understand nor want to understand and persist in advocating those beliefs. It’s time we started using that name to describe them.

Just because we tolerate bigots doesn’t mean we approve of them or allow them to legislate their agenda. Don’t let the bigots who hate gun owners infect the rest of the country.


Update3: I left the message at www.WhiteHouse.gov. The site limits messages to 2500 characters. The version below comes in at 2492 characters.


Cases where determined bad guys continued to fight after being hit more than ten times are very common. People who proposed private citizens self-defense is served with ammunition capacity limited to ten rounds need to read the literature and talk to self-defense trainers rather than believe what they see in the movies.

In the famous 1986 FBI Miami shootout eight trained FBI agents fired nearly 100 rounds to stop two bank robbers. One of the robbers continued to fight until hit 12 times. A 10 round magazine capacity will result in many needless deaths and injuries to innocent people confronted by attackers and unable to adequately defend themselves.

Even if we ignore the obvious need for full capacity magazines it is called a Bill of Rights. Not a Bill of Needs.

If most violent crime were committed by people with black skin there wouldn’t be talk of “reasonable restriction” encroaching upon the 13th Amendment which prohibited slavery.

Even when 19 religious fanatics murdered thousands of people in coordinated attacks on our country no serious consideration was given to banning their religion.

In this country we have principles which we hold to even if the cost is sometimes great. We value freedom even when some people abuse that freedom. We hold individuals responsible for their actions not the group to which they belong or the freedom itself.

The proposed ban on magazines of greater than 10 rounds is a proven failure. The DOJ studies on the effects of the 1994 to 2004 ban on these magazines showed this. Even after nearly ten years the DOJ sponsored study concluded, “Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.” We don’t need to relearn the lessons of prohibition, the war on drugs, and the 1994 “Assault Weapon” ban. We are better students of history than that.

Those advocating for the ban are either ignorant of the uselessness of it and how common by these devices are or they know and don’t care. Actions advocated by ignorant people cannot be considered anything but foolish. Actions advocated by people who know they are pointless must have an ulterior motive.

We have a name for ignorant people with hatred of people who they neither understand nor want to understand and persist in advocating those beliefs. It’s time we started using that name to describe them.

Don’t let the bigots who hate gun owners infect the rest of the country.

Stupid this bad surely hurts

While I am seldom surprised at the level of stupidity I observe I do see depths being reached. Here is one from “darren.russell” who claims to be from the UK.

Being from the UK i cannot understand that Americans feel they have the need to own guns.
The only thing a gun is good for is to kill or maim.
I know that it is one of the amendments or something but wasn’t the original misquoted that people have the right to bear arms when it was really meant that the army had the right to bear arm to defend the country?

“The only thing a gun is good for is to kill or maim”? First off, even if that was true what is the problem with that? The police and the military use guns to “kill and maim” and very few people advocate removing guns from their collection of tools. And second, if the statement was true then that would mean that the roughly 100,000 rounds I have fired were almost all failures because only five of them succeeded in killing or maiming (I used two on a rattlesnake, one on a deer, and two more on a deer I hit with Barb’s Jeep).

And finally, the most stupid thought is that the Bill of Rights would need to include a section preserving the right of the army to bear arms to defend the country.

I have to wonder if the people in the UK would actually claim him as one of his own and if being this stupid hurts.

Quote of the day—Henry Louis Mencken

The typical lawmaker of today is a man devoid of principle—a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology, or cannibalism.

Henry Louis Mencken
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/mencken.htm
[And this is why people of principle are routinely disappointed and disgusted by lawmakers.

It was just this reason that we have politicians proposing new restrictions on the specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms. The Tucson shooting was “the right pressure” to cause them to violate known and accepted principles in the Bill of Rights. What we must do is apply “the right pressure” in the other direction.

I’m working on a post that if applied correctly I believe will exert an equal and perhaps greater pressure in the other direction. It might not be ready until tomorrow so be patient.—Joe]