Quote of the day—WS

Australia banned most guns in the 90’s and gun violence has plummeted there.

There should be an immediate ban on all assault rifles and hand guns, that’s just the start. The NRA is a terrorist organization.

WS
September 4, 2015
Comment to More gun control? We have enough already
[I find it very telling they consider a civil rights organization a terrorist organization. That says everything you need to know about how messed up their mind is.

Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Self defense is not a tragedy

What do you think of when you read something like this?

Schellman said Thursday’s shooting was the latest instance of a child using a gun with deadly consequences. He referenced last week’s deadly accident in which a 21-month-old toddler in another part of the county found a loaded handgun and shot himself. The child later died at a hospital.

“Children have access to guns all too often, and all too often they end in tragic circumstances,” Schellman said.

A tragedy is when innocent people are hurt or killed. I have no problem calling the case of the toddler accidently shooting themselves a tragedy. But the rest of story referenced above causes me to part ways with the portrayal of the story being of the same nature:

An 11-year-old St. Louis-area boy fatally shot a 16-year-old who entered his home during an alleged home invasion Thursday, police said.

Two people had approached the home twice before Thursday, and on the third attempt entered the house through the front door, police said. The 11-year-old who lives in the home shot the 16-year-old intruder in the head, St. Louis County police said in a statement.

Police said the 11-year-old and a 4-year-old girl who was also inside the home were not injured.

While I am saddened by the turn of events if the story is accurately described it was a justified shooting and the tragedy would be if the two children in the home had been injured or killed by the thugs invading their home. The invaders made extremely poor life choices and they are responsible for the outcome. The 11-year-old merely delivered the bullets that brought things to regrettable but satisfactory ending.

That NBC news and others are seeing this shooting as an instance of “children have access to guns all too often” there is no point in “having a discussion” with them. Self defense of innocent life is not a tragedy and when people claim it is there is something very wrong with their mental and/or moral health. They deserved to be mocked, ridiculed, and then ignored.

Quote of the day—Wayne Witkowski

Certainly, gun control can’t prevent every problem… we’re too immature and irrational as a nation to earn that right to bear arms without very close scrutiny.

Wayne Witkowski
September 2, 2015
Editor’s Corner: Shootings show need for tighter gun control
[“…can’t prevent every problem”? The only “problems” I know that it has prevented is the resistance to tyrants by their victims.

Witkowski is speaking for himself when he says “we’re too immature and irrational”. The rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights and state constitutions don’t have to be earned. If he had matured enough to read and understand the constitution he would know that. If he was rational enough to reason his way through the concept of “close scrutiny” of people exercising their rights he would realize that casts a chilling effect upon the exercise of those rights and is unconstitutional.

But Witkowski is an advocate for gun control. And we already know that is a very strong indicator for the presence of immaturity and irrational thought.—Joe]

Old, fat, racist, white guys

Gun rights advocates are told:

It’s as if that belief makes it acceptable to infringe upon the right of everyone to keep and bear arms. They must rationalize it as something like, “Who cares if some old fat white guys get their guns taken away from them? I’d bring the popcorn to watch that happen.” I have to imagine there were similar things said about blacks and their right to keep and bear arms and their right to vote. The KKK were Democrats and most anti-gun people are Democrats so it’s not surprising to have them have similar attitudes about the rights of their fellow citizens. Frequently we find the epitome of anti-gun rational thought process is to invoke Markley’s Law so it’s not surprising they would be able to muster much beyond the outright dismissal of the rights of “old, fat, racist, white guys”.

I frequently take new shooters to the range and I blog about all of them. I’m not selecting for any particular demographic when I post a new shooter report. It’s my complete dataset. While it’s not a large dataset and it’s all from the Pacific Northwest rather than nationwide I would like to point out it doesn’t look like only a bunch of old, fat, racist, white guys to me. Here is non-random sample of the pictures:

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When someone tells you it’s only old, fat, racist, white guys who like guns send them here.

Quote of the day—Harrison Finzel

With regards to the weak “but there’s illegal guns” argument, mandatory registration would solve this problem. The federal (or state) governments could issue a six or 12 month window to allow people to register their firearms. All of them. This would include currently unregistered guns — this would be a way to avoid punishment for the crime for the moments and to promote more universal gun registration. If you have an unregistered gun in your possession after that point, you should be slammed with a felony that carries a minimum of 3 to 5 years of jail and heavy fines. No exceptions. No loopholes.

Harrison Finzel
September 2, 2015
Now the time to fight tooth and nail for stronger, more intelligent U.S. gun control
[This is a “textbook” case of Dustydog’s Definition. Finzel doesn’t know of the failure of registration in Canada, New York, Connecticut, and many other countries, Haynes v. Haynes says his plan is unconstitutional, no other constitutionally protected right requires registration, prosecution for failure to register is more difficult than he might think, and it can’t be any more effective than a complete ban which is an obvious failure with recreational drugs.

But Finzel is eager to spend other people’s money to engage in violence against peaceful people for no tangible benefit. I have to conclude he has crap for brains.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Chelonia Testudines

There is a clear correlation between gun saturated America and its rates of violence and suicide. We don’t need to legislate away evil – but we sure as heck can legislate their weapons of choice. Melt all confiscated guns, limit gun ownership to those who can pass a proficiency and safety test (like cars) and force the owners to buy insurance for the damage their guns cause. Mark ammunition and trace it. Limit types of guns available and limit ammunition. But – weak cowardly men who can’t be bothered to actually DO something will always throw their dirty hands in the air, shrug their sloping shoulders and grunt “there’s nothing we can do.” Empty headed puppets – like Noir.

Chelonia Testudines
September 1, 2015
Comment to NRA spokesman tells parents of slain Virginia journalists not to be ‘so emotional’
[H/T to Sebastian.

I’m pretty sure this is the same person. I went looking for them because some of the things he said were so outlandish. Perhaps they were deliberately trolling or something. I strongly suspect they are serious because I found similar simple solutions (which have no hope of actually working) to complex problems there.

The proclamations of solutions in spite of an ignorance and lack of the facts, lack of rational though process, and of course the insults are clear indicators they not only don’t know what they are talking about but don’t want to know what they are talking about. They despise private gun ownership and gun owners and no rational argument or facts can convince them we are deserving of respect or even tolerance. They are a prejudiced bigot.—Joe]

Quote of the day—Barbara Parker

There are people out there whose minds we will never change. If you are a parent, if you are a mother, if you have children — how can you look your child in the eye and say we are willing to allow you to be collateral damage in order to keep what some people perceive to be their constitutional rights? If we as a society are willing to accept that, what kind of society are we?

Barbara Parker
August 30, 2015
Alison Parker’s parents on gun-control fight: ‘We cannot be intimidated’
[Answer to the first question: It’s not just a perception of a constitutional right. It is a specific enumerated right which all nine justices of SCOTUS agreed was an individual right. And we can look at our children and say, “We are going to defend your right to keep and bear arms in defense of yourself, your loved ones, your community, and your country even when grief stricken friends and relatives attempt to infringe upon our rights. And we can do that even as we feel and express our sympathy for their horrible loss.” Other than keeping and driving cars is not a constitutionally protected right this is no different than the situation where someone uses their car to deliberately hurt someone else. And in my personal experience this is more common that people using guns to hurt innocent people.*

Answer to the second question: We are a society which knows our rights are important and protect them from violation even when people, overwhelmed with emotion, are unable to think and act rationally.

And I don’t know anyone that wants to “intimidate” these grief stricken people. We just want them to respect us and our right to keep and bear arms.—Joe]


*Ry encountered someone driving straight toward him on the freeway at a high rate of speed. Ry narrowly missed being hit by leaving the freeway over the shoulder. He stopped in the grass beside the freeway, got out of his vehicle and vomited. The driver of the other vehicle continued on down the freeway in the wrong direction, and connected with a semi-truck and killed the driver of the truck.

My cousin Johnny and his friend Lonnie were struck head-on by a car going the wrong direction in their lane. Johnny reported the guy was alert, looking directly at them, and corrected when they took evasive action. Johnny and Lonnie were seriously injured but survived and mostly recovered. The other driver was killed in the attack.

I don’t know any friends or family who were shot by another person other than during military combat.

Brady who?

The Brady Campaign released a YouTube video* last week. It was a statement following the shooting of the WDBJ reporter and photographer. It has been viewed 113 times. One of those was me. Probably a significant number of them were other pro-gun people who did not sympathize with Brady President Dan Gross’s message.

113 viewings? Even every person who viewed it donated $20 it wouldn’t cover the cost of production. And even if all 113 people were convinced to vote for politicians who would advocate for more gun control the effect would be deep in the noise.

I posted a video of shooting at the steel match on Whidbey Island the day before Brady’s and it has 36 views so far. My video of the Marysville USPSA match two weeks ago has 87 views. Combined that’s 123 views and I don’t don’t have a staff and multi-hundred thousand dollar budget. I’m just a B-class pistol shooter and third tier blogger.

What does that make The Brady Campaign?

We are getting closer to seeing my dream come true.


* It is here if you really want to watch it.

Quote of the day—Ed @Rx_Ed

ASSHOLES with gun fetish to compensate for their lack of adequately sized penises will say “God gave me right to bear arms.”

#gunsense NOW

Ed ‏@Rx_Ed
Tweeted on August 26, 2015
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday! Via a tweet from BFD ‏@BigFatDave.—Joe]

Quote – dustydog

“One definition of a liberal, is someone who doesn’t understand the problem, or the history behind it, or the concept of consequences, but is arrogant enough to think that his off-the-cuff solution should be enforced with as much violence and as much of other peoples’ money as might be required.”dustydog on August 30, 2015

Many years ago I heard that the definition of a “liberal” is “someone who’ll give you the shirt off of someone else’s back”, but this one is much better. It sums up all the horror and mass death of the 20th century in one, concise sentence. Collectivists (Progressives, Fascists, communists, et al) are either extremely evil or blind, or both. In any case they must be kept as far away from government positions as possible.

Quote of the day—Michael @consultmelater

@Rx_Ed I think #gunsense means guns should NOT be sold to people who are bat-shit crazy. That eliminates #2A supporters.

Michael ‏@consultmelater
Tweeted on August 26, 2015
[This is what they think of you and Second Amendment rights.—Joe]

Update: In the comments Michael says:

My comment is being misread. After reading it again I can see how many are thinking that I refered to #2A supporters as bat-shit crazy. On the contrary, my intended statement was that only #2A supporters should be allowed to have guns.

I apologize for the confusion.

Quote of the day—JaredDudley619

We have to fixed this Gun Control problem ASAP!! Gotta get rid of these guns man!! I know it’s political on why we can’t but we gotta try!!

For the people who wanna keep guns in America, give me your reasons? Cuz if we got rid of all guns then there’s no need for protection..

JaredDudley619
Tweeted (and here) August 26, 2015
[“…if we got rid of all the guns then there’s no need for protection”? That’s definitive proof of crap for brains. And who is this “we” that are going to get “rid of all guns”?

And don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you no one wants to take your guns.—Joe]

Of course he would say something like that

It’s in his nature:

In the U.S., a person on a watch or “no-fly” list would not be flagged buying a train or bus ticket. Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, called for creating a “no-ride” list for Amtrak in 2011, a proposal the rail line said “could add value in creating an overall security posture.”

I think there should be more emphasis on the word posture. Schumer nature is to push us more and more toward a police state regardless of the effectiveness of his claims of trying to make people safer. He’s been doing this for decades with the most outlandish gun control proposals. I don’t expect he will stop until he no longer has an audience willing to listen to him.

Quote of the day—Hillary Rodham Clinton

We have got to do something about gun violence in America — and I will take it on.

Hillary Rodham Clinton
August 26, 2015
Hillary Clinton vows to be gun-control president
[It’s good that she is making this very clear. Maybe this will make it a campaign issue as well. With support for gun rights the highest it has been since 1993 there is a good chance this will make it a loosing issue.—Joe]

Mugme Street news

Via email from Ry we have this story:

Police have increased patrols around 3rd Avenue and Pine Street this week after three tourists from Rhode Island were attacked and robbed outside the downtown bus tunnel.

Jonah Spangenthal-Lee of the Seattle police said the incident unfolded Sunday at around 11 p.m. as the tourists were walking to the tunnel’s entrance and passed by a group of men and women on the street.

One of the women in the group confronted the tourists and accused them of bumping into her. When one of the tourists apologized, a woman in the group responded by burning one of the tourists, a 29-year-old man, with a lit cigarette.

The group of suspects then stole a cellphone from the victims and struck the 29-year-old man in the head with a broken bottle when he began shouting for help, Spangenthal-Lee said.

The suspects also attacked the two female tourists – who are 23 and 24 years old – punching them both in the face.

When police arrived at the scene, the group of suspects had fled. However, officers did arrest one man at the scene after he interfered with medics’ efforts to treat the victims and told the victims they “deserved” to be beaten and robbed.

There is a reason Barb calls this street “Mugme Street”. I wish the tourists had guns with them and had encouraged these thugs to reconsider their life choices.

Quote of the day—brainuser1

By now you have heard about the terrible accident at the hands of a toddler, resulting in the death of his father. What more reason do we need to address the issue of gun control? Better yet, what greater example to envision a society where there are no guns…eliminating these types of accidents?

I can’t help but “go there” for a minute and think (putting this very, very unfortunate accident aside for a minute) how many lives would have been spared if there were no guns to end them. How would differences be settled? What other alternative would police officers take if it were not so easy to reach for their pistol and shoot a suspect?

Maybe we’d go back to the old days of man up…dukes up and fight it out.

I don’t recall many people dying from that, just bloody.

I don’t know about you, but I am sick and tired of people dying from being shot!

brainuser1
August 24, 2015
Toddler’s Fatal Shot of Dad Should Open Conversation About Greater Gun Control
[There are five things I find worth remembering from “brainuser1”.

1) This brainiac apparently can’t imaging there are tradeoffs in lives lost if there were no guns. If there were no guns then there would be only “lives spared”, not lives lost due to inability to defend innocent life.

2) The physically frail or even those just small of stature, in the view of this person, are not worthy of having a chance of defending themselves against large predators.

3) “People dying from being shot” is what is important. Not people dying from evil predators.

4) The specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms is not even on their radar screen.

5) Don’t ever let anyone get away with telling you that no one wants to take your guns.

Make that five and a half things… They have crap for brains.—Joe]

Quote of the day—James Craig

When you look at the city of Detroit, we’re kind of leading the way in terms of urban areas with law-abiding citizens carrying guns.

James Craig
Detroit Police Chief
August 2015
Packing heat in Detroit: Motown residents answer police chief’s call to arms
[It’s a great article.—Joe]

Quote of the day—zippy_w_pinhead

Dear ammosexuals, not all gun owners have teensy, tiny peens- most of them are actually nice normal people with perfectly normal sized genitalia. The ones with the 1/10 scale bonzai boners are you clowns who can’t shut the fuck up about your penis extensions and insist on doing stupid things like parading around fast food establishments with the biggest long gun you can find strapped to your back as you scare the shit out of everyone around you in your nonstop quest to validate your childish concept of “freedumb”. If you weren’t such annoying assholes and a danger to the community thanks to your stupid stunts we wouldn’t have any reason to tease you about your miniature manhood. Millions of sportsmen, collectors and other gun enthusiasts manage to go through life without being pushy, obsessive jerks about guns- the day you idjits figure out how to do so too is the day we’ll quit teasing you about your itty bitty dangly bits.

zippy_w_pinhead
February 12, 2015
Comment to How All Your Favorite Liberal Blogs Muffed The Yoga Pants Bill (Which Does Not Exist)
[It’s another Markley’s Law Monday!

This is what they think of you, freedom, and gun rights activists.—Joe]

Quote of the day—John Risenhoover

If you just shut up, you can beat almost any straw purchase charge.

John Risenhoover
Former ATF special agent
August 21, 2015
Amid Dearth of Federal Action on Straw Buyers, States Forge Ahead on Their Own
[And that will never change without universal gun registration. And of course that is essentially impossible, illegal under the Bill of Rights, would be widely ignored, and if push came to shove the odds of it escalating to something much higher on the force continuum would be very likely.—Joe]

Quote of the day—GLaDOS

The days of wetting your pants to ward off rapists are coming to an end. The days of shooting center mass are emerging. This is a positive trend.

GLaDOS
August 21, 2015
Comment to Packing heat in Detroit: Motown residents answer police chief’s call to arms
[I have nothing to add.—Joe]