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Quote of the day–Niccol Machiavelli
The main foundations of every state, new states as well as ancient or composite ones, are good laws and good arms . . . you cannot have good laws without good arms, and where there are good arms, good laws inevitably follow.
Niccol Machiavelli
(1469-1527)
Italian political philosopher and statesman
The Prince, ch. 12 (1514)
Best bullet for hunting
This guy is even more obsesive and geeky than I am. He shot about 2350 rounds to get this data.
Quote of the day–Paul Peake
The problem is that private firearms ownership in Australia has fallen victim to a narrow, authoritarian mentality which substitutes the lowest common denominator, irrational fear, for sensible debate. The fundamental freedom to protect one’s life and property has been replaced by a policy which ignores the fact that no matter how well resourced a police service may be it cannot prevent violent home invasions. Ultimately, individuals must be given the opportunity to take responsibility for their own safety.
Paul Peake
Self Defence (November 1998)
From http://www.ssaa.org.au/ilanov98.html (as of December 1, 1998)
Quote of the day–Dar Korra’ti
anti-gun lobbyists think that anyone, at any time, can turn into a raving lunatic and, if armed, start effectively killing people. laura is an example, having said something pretty much to this effect in this folder at one time or other. under this operating idea, firearms bans would be a pretty good idea. they also tend to think that collections of people act more rationally than individuals, and that therefore, governments which represent collections of people (rather than, say, parasitic elites) are not to be taken as concerns.
pro-gun lobbyists think that most people will not turn into raving lunatics, under pretty much any circumstances; those that do are the fairly rare exceptions that the rest of us sane folk need to be able to protect ourselves against. under this paradeigm, firearms bans make no sense whatsoever, as the lunatics and criminals won’t care about them anyway. they also tend to think that collections of people are more likely to get Real Bad Ideas than individuals (the mob effect, or as put in Men in Black, “A person is smart. People are weird, panicky and stupid.”) and have more power to exercise those Real Bad Ideas. Therefore, power groups (such as governments) are to be monitored carefully and not allowed to accumulate too much power.
both, fundamentally, have fear issues. the question is, whose fears ring true with you?
Dar Korra’ti
Friday, August 14, 1998 11:23 AM
Right vs Left Discussion (Microsoft public folder)
Quote of the day–Gun Control Network (U.K.)
This Website will outline our aims, which are simple, and the ways you can help, which are many.
The job of this network is not to convince people that guns, especially handguns, are dangerous. Everyone knows that already. The vast majority want to see handguns prohibited completely and much tighter controls on all other weapons.
Our job is to convince the law-makers that they must listen to the majority, and not be swayed by the selfish minority.
Gun Control Network (U.K.)
From http://www.gun-control-network.org/gcnhome.htm
As of March 3, 1999
[They completely miss the point that because guns, especially handguns, are dangerous make them an extremely useful tool for self-defense. That is unless they subscribe to the “cattle theory” of government where all people are equally valuable and the loss of any human life no matter how vile a crime they are committing when they are shot by an innocent victim is a tragedy. So we are left to conclude either they are ignorant and/or they are immoral.–Joe]
Quote of the day–Greg Hamilton
Verbally confronting a guy who is already shooting people is generally a bad idea. Add to that he has a rifle and it becomes a worse idea.
Since we began teaching response to active shooter (over 10 years ago), we’ve taught shoot first, shoot last, talk later.
Greg Hamilton
Self defense instructor
Tue 11/22/2005 6:34 PM
Insights Training Email Group
Commenting on a report that an armed citizen drew his gun but did not shoot when confronted with an active shooter in a shopping mall.
Answering the door for an unexpected visitor
Always have a gun with you when you get an unexpected visitor at the door. Of course the government should be on trial here as well as the perps because it was the criminal government that disarmed the victims in this case:
THE widow of the financier John Monckton yesterday relived the moments when a bogus Royal Mail delivery man she named as “Postman Pat” burst into their home with an accomplice and destroyed their lives.
Homeyra Monckton, 46, needed the assistance of a court usher to enter the witness box and briefly broke down as she told a jury at the Old Bailey how the men forced open the front door. After being stabbed twice in the back by the accomplice, who was wearing a balaclava, she said that she passed out, believing her husband would overcome the figure with whom he was struggling.
“I was thinking, ‘I am dying and he will survive’, because he looked so strong,” she said. “He was fighting, still holding the man’s wrists up. I said to my husband, ‘I have been stabbed’, and I was screaming all the time. I said it maybe a couple of times and then I fainted.”
When she regained consciousness, she heard her fatally injured husband moaning on the floor as their assailants fled. Mrs Monckton was giving evidence in the trial of Elliot White and Damien Hanson, both 24, who deny murdering Mr Monckton, a senior bonds director with Legal & General at the couple’s opulent home in Chelsea on November 29.
Both men also deny the attempted murder of Mrs Monckton and wounding with intent.
The court has been told that Mr White posed as a postman to deliver a bogus parcel to Mr Monckton after the couple had been targeted for their wealth.Mrs Monckton, a mother of two, told the court that her husband returned home early on the night of his death while she was giving her daughter, Isobel, nine, a bath. She said that the doorbell rang at about 7.30pm and, over the intercom, the caller announced that he had a parcel for Mr Monckton.
He first checked through the front-door spyhole and then, with the security chain still on, opened the door. Mrs Monckton said she could see a man holding a parcel and wearing a striped jacket, which she described as being like a Postman Pat outfit. Moments later, after her husband had taken off the chain, he opened the door and the men burst in — her husband crying “no, no, no,” as he tried to push the door shut. She joined him but the couple were unable to keep them out.
Mrs Monckton told the jury: “One came in with a balaclava. He stabbed me almost immediately, without saying anything. All I could think about was that there was a panic alarm in the bedroom on the first floor and I needed to get up there. I was stabbed again as I was going up.” She added: “I could not feel anything in my legs. I sat down and I could see my husband defending himself with another man. I could see him holding his arms high, holding the other man’s arms in front of him, away from him.”
Her assailant “calmly and coldly” demanded the two rings from her fingers, her earrings and a watch — and when he asked for money, she pointed out her handbag to him.
Mrs Monckton said the man in the balaclava had two weapons — a knife and a handgun — and through the eyeholes in his balaclava she could see that he was black. The two rings and watch were worth about £4,500, the earrings were only costume jewellery. Asked whether one of the robbers was reluctant to join in with the violence, she replied: “No, not at all. They destroyed our lives.” The case continues.
Quote of the day–Frank Rizzo
The streets are safe in Philadelphia, it’s only the people who make them unsafe.
Philadelphia Mayor, Frank Rizzo
[My guess is that neither truer, nor more stupid, words have ever been spoken. The solutions to the problem Rizzo outlines are many but only a few are acceptable. Philadelphia has had a problem getting it right for many decades.–Joe]
Guns are the problem not the solution
A couple of cops are shot, one killed, when responding to a call of an armed robbery in progress. And they are “skeptical” that arming the cops would increase their safety. A couple of hours of simulations with AirSoft guns would answer that question quite decisively but they are so paralyzed by their own hoplophobia they can’t consider the obvious:
Mr Davis accused the government of failing to tackle the source of gun crime and particularly the illegal holding of firearms.
He said gun crime had doubled to around 10-11,000 since 1996 when Thomas Hamilton killed 16 children and a teacher at Dunblane Primary School in Scotland.
Home Secretary Charles Clarke said the government was keen to learn any lessons from the Bradford shootings.
“My main priority is to ensure that guns no longer have a place on our streets and that armed gangs who terrorise innocent people are brought to justice,” he said.
But he signalled his opposition to arming all police, citing evidence from other countries which suggested it encouraged criminals to carry guns.
“I remain sceptical that arming all police officers all of the time would make them safer,” he said, writing in The Sun.
“Indeed, all the experience from other countries where the police carry firearms demonstrates that this only encourages the criminals to arm themselves and potentially to turn law enforcers’ own weapons on to the police themselves.”
Quote of the day–Edward Rex
Cause public proclamation to be made, that everyone strong in body at leisure time on holidays use in his recreation the bow and arrow and learn and exercise the art of shooting – forbidding all and singular on our behalf that they do not after any manner apply themselves to the throwing of stones, wood, iron, handball, football, bandyball, cambuck, or cock fighting; nor to other such like vain plays which have no profit in them, under pain of imprisonment.
Edward Rex
Westminster
12th day of June 1369
[From mandated use of arms as recreation to arms being banned for any private use. I wonder when the average individual was safer in the U.K.–Joe]
Sunday afternoon accomplishments
This afternoon was much more productive than my wallowing in self-pity this morning. I accomplished a bunch of stuff and still have other things in the queue:
- I purchased 200 rounds of Winchester Ranger self-defense ammo in .40 S&W.
- I purchased 50 rounds of 52 grain moly coated Blackhills Match ammo in .223 for testing purposes.
- I implemented on-line entry for Boomershoot 2006.
- I posted Eugene Econ’s details on the Precision Rifle Clinic for Boomershoot.org.
- I fixed various errors on Boomershoot.org web pages.
Quote of the day–Greg Hamilton
A attorney who in specializes in self-defense told me that of the 300 clients who said something to the police before talking to him, only two managed to NOT hurt their case. Those two didn’t help their case, they just didn’t hurt it any. If you are involved in a shooting, call the police, physically cooperate with them, but don’t say anything except you want to call your attorney.
Greg Hamilton
Self Defense Instructor
Nov. 19, 1995
Mathematically challenged?
If the vote was 44,000 to 38,000 would you say the voters were “evenly divided” on the issue? How about 44 to 38? I haven’t done the statisical tests on the significance of a sample size of 82 but my gut feel is you can’t justifiably call that “evenly divided”. Yet that is what this newspaper article does:
The issue of handgun control is a controversial one, with many people saying curbs on sales of handguns will reduce crime, while others feel it’s important to protect Americans’ constitutional right to own firearms.
Visitors to the Star Courier’s Web site were evenly divided on the question last week.
The online poll asked whether people favored tougher restrictions on buying handguns in Illinois.
Of the 82 who voted, 44, or 54 percent, said “no” and 38 said “yes.”
I think I see some spin being placed on the outcome. Either that or the Star Couier Staff need to retake 1st and 2nd grade math.
Quote of the day–George H. Smith
… we may indicate three minimum requirements that must be fulfilled before any belief can claim the status of knowledge: (a) a belief must be based on evidence; (b) a belief must be internally consistent (i.e. not self-contradictory); (c) a belief cannot contradict previously validated knowledge with which it is to be integrated. If a belief fails to meet any or all of these criteria, it cannot properly be designated as knowledge.
George H. Smith
From: Atheism: the Case Against God
[Gun control advocates, socialists, and other anti-freedom advocates would do well to understand the difference between belief and knowledge as outlined by Smith above.–Joe]
Machine Gun Sammy
Gun Guys claim Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito is:
Known consortion with practically criminal organizations, including the NRA.
When the truth is that it is the people in groups like the VPC and Gun Guys actually are criminals.
If it were only true that Alito has a NRA membership.
Steve has a question on concealed carry
Steve at random thoughts is from England and has some questions about why we have such an intense interest on being able to carry concealed. In one link (I don’t have time for this until tonight) this is my answer.
Be gentle. He is a friend of mine.
Update: Steve and I had lunch together today. After chatting about “old times” and catching each other up on the people we both knew, the beauty of Montana, traveling with kids, how he met his wife, and a few other odds and ends he asked what I thought of his post. “No”, I told him, “You didn’t sound a like a liberal gun hater. You were thoughtful and asked a good question.” Then I went about trying to answer his questions. I explained that with all the studies that have been done they are unable to show any benefit from gun control. There are between 1.5 and 3 million defensive uses of guns each year with only about 10 thousand crimes committed with guns. Criminals, who violate the laws against murder, rape, and assault, will be less affected by any gun control efforts than the “good guys” that will be deprived of the tools to defend themselves. And putting the onus on the gun controller I ask them my One Question.
Steve listened careful, understood what I was saying, but didn’t commit himself one way or the other. That’s fine with me. I enjoyed the time with him and that’s what was important.
How to game The Black Death
Now that Analog Kid has posted the results I’ll explain how I was going to “game” the October postal rifle match Analog Kid called “The Black Death”. Because you can shoot the target as many times as you want what I was going to do was put up ten targets at 200 yards. Then:
- Take one shot at each of the smallest, 0.5″, squares. With no wind I can connect with a 0.5″ square at 200 yards about 48% of the time as predicted by Modern Ballistics. With 10 shots I should hit five of them.
- On the five targets I hit the 0.5″ square on I would shoot at the 0.75″ inch square. The odds of touching a 0.75″ square is predicted to be 63%. With five shots I should hit three of them.
- On the three targets I hit the 0.75″ square I would shoot at the 1.0″ target. The odds of touching a 1.0″ square is predicted to be 75%. With three shots I should hit two of them.
- On the two targets I hit the 1.0 target I would shoot at the 1.25″ target. The odds of touching a 1.25″ square is predicted to be 83%. With two shots I should hit one of them.
- On that target I would shoot the rest of the squares with the odds of 90%, 96%, 99%, 99.8%, and 99.99% of hitting the 1.5″, 2.0″, 2.5″, 3.0″, and 3.5″ targets. The odds of connecting on all of them is predicted to be 85%.
So…with 25 shots I have an 85% chance of creating a clean target at 200 yards. With 50 shots I have a 98% chance of doing it.
Unfortunately I procrastinated too much and didn’t make time to get out to the range until it was raining and almost dark.
Incoherent ramblings of an anti-freedom fighter
Gun Guys put up this post about a lawsuit that may be dismissed because of the recent law passed by Congress on frivolous anti-gun legal actions. I’ve read the post three times now and still can’t make sense of it. The facts are that a lawsuit was in the works blaming the manufacture, the dealer, a gun show operator, and “others” for the shooting of one Daniel Williams. The gun used by the “mutant” shooter was illegally purchased at the gun show by one James Nigel Bostic. The Gun Guys say:
James Nigel Bostic is a criminal, and his criminal negligence costed Williams and many other victims of violence many things, physically and financially. Williams was a star high school basketball player, and lost a scholarship because of the shooting. Because of Bostic’s criminal actions (Buffalo News documented his straw purchases in a previous article), Daniel Williams’ life is forever changed.
And yet, because of the gun immunity bill (now the gun immunity law, passed by Congress under the gun industry’s lobbying), James Nigel Bostic will likely never see a day in court with Daniel Williams.
…
Because of this law, hundreds if not thousands of illegal dealers like Bostic will never see their day in court.
What they don’t mention is that in the source article for their posting is that Bostic is in prison because of his illegal purchases.
So Bostic broke the law, went to jail for it and Gun Guys are whining that he won’t have a day in court for his crime?
I guess the post doesn’t have to make sense to their audience–it just has to arrive at the conclusion that makes them feel good.
Seein’ Spots e-Postal pistol target
This was surprisingly tough. The area of the targets is proportional to the square of the diameter. Those small dots are tough to hit. Click on the picture for the hires version. If you put an overlay on the bullets near the 40 point dots on the upper right and the lower right the bullet did intersect the spot.
