Here we go again I suppose. I posted a few days ago that I wanted clarification of Ron Paul’s military and foreign policy. No one offered any, but it sure provoked a storm of comments. I asked in a comment on RP’s own web site, what he would suggest we do about small, rogue states that want to kill us, don’t yet have the means to do it, but are very active in working to attain the means and the allies to eventually kill us. Not only did Ron Paul or his web site managers attempt an answer, none of his supporters offered any answers, AND there was an instant troll patrol mobilization that buried the discussion in an argument over the definition of Zion.
Strike One; No coherent position on his own web site.
Strike Two; No answers to a serious and level-headed series of questions.
Strike Three; He seems to have a troll patrol that can be dispatched on demand on short notice, to provide a smoke screen. Whether they operate at his behest, or totally on their own, someone clearly sees a need to cover for Ron Paul’s foreign policy ideas, or lack thereof.
The primary response I get from those willing to talk, i.e. not Ron Paul, is; “Pfffft! That little fly spec is no threat!” followed by a litany of sins committed by the U.S.
As for the first part– the “pfffft” part, it doesn’t take a super power to do a lot of serious damage. As for the second part– it’s hard to square with the first part, unless I translate it as, “we don’t deserve to survive” or “we don’t deserve to take action against any but the most cataclysmic of threats, because that would be meddling and meddling is evil”. Without that translation, the litany-of-sins part of argument is nothing but a change of subject in that it does not address the question of what we should do about specific current threats, or future threats as they might emerge.
There are plenty of threats in the world, and a few that wander in from the outer solar system once in a while, but jihad seems to be a popular one for discussion. I’ve heard quite a few words from the jihadist’s mouths before, and Joe, years ago, posted a list of demands from Bin Laden. From what I’ve actually seen and heard, The Reasons for jihadists hating us center around the basics of our culture and not our foreign policies of the past or present, except for our support of Israel, which is only sometimes mentioned. Whole jihadist diatribes exist that don’t mention it at all. You will also remember that Israel was not created by the U.S. and that the Soviets, the Germans and more recently the Chinese, have had their long and sometimes brutal fingers in the Mid East, and THEY are not “The Great Satan”. We are. The facts, as I understand them then, do not support, do not even suggest other than in the most ethereal way, the idea that they hate us enough to want to wipe us off the map simply because of our meddling foreign policy.
This recent explanation, from an actual “Sharia Shall be the Law of the World” jihadist, is right along the lines of everything else I’ve heard;
Aside from railing against democracy, he goes on to unabashedly claim that sharia is his ultimate goal. Further showcasing his view that “rule by the people” is completely unacceptable, he continues with the following:
“once Allah’s law is applied, the role of the people will end and Allah will reign supreme.”
I’ve heard that many times– “The Koran, God’s law, is the only law. Man-made laws have no place in the world. Rule by the People is rule by Satan. Stuff like that. Very common theme. And from the same report;
Shehato said that if the mujahideen came to power in Egypt, they would launch a campaign of Islamic conquests aimed at subjecting the entire world to Islamic rule. Muslim ambassadors would be appointed to each country, charged with calling upon them to join Islam willingly, but if the countries refused, war would be waged against them.
The Islamic state he’d like to see Egypt become is an equally concerning picture — a nation that would have no trade or cultural ties with non-Muslims. And because tourists “drink alcohol and fornicate,” all of the sites that have made Egypt a popular destination for foreign vacationers. will be shut down. Art, dancing, singing and other exercises of talent and self-expression will also be prohibited.
We “Drink alcohol and fornicate”. I believe Bin Laden said the same thing, along with demanding an end to trading money with interest. Exercises of art and other forms of self-expression have also been mentioned before, by other radical Islamists. That’s what I’m seeing, supposedly in their own words. Now you could argue that all the translators and/or reporters, from any and all walks of life, are mistranslating and/or misreporting the messages, but I’ll have a very hard time believing that. If that were the case, there’d be people here, who speak the language, raising a fit– “That’s not what he said…!“
So far as I can tell, Ron Paul says “no sanctions” while at the same time saying that we should “put (undefined) pressure” on certain, undefined, entities but absolutely avoid them by staying out of their business while the jihadists ally with Russia, China and Venezuela, etc. and we should totally mind our own business because anything else whatsoever is “Imperialist”. That is, so far as I can tell. I’ve given up on my attempt to get clarification from Ron Paul. I now know I’ll never get it. There’s something seriously f’d up with him, that people close to him want very much to hide. I don’t know what it is, but I can smell its horrible stench wafting out through my monitor.
So. Again. Please. Focus like a laser beam this time. Forget our litany of past and present sins for the moment. Forget Ron Paul. That’s a different subject from “what should we do now that the house seems to be smoking?” I don’t want a sermon on why I shouldn’t play with matches while the house seems to be on fire. OK? There are possibly some rather more important matters that need our immediate attention. Or do you believe we should just forget the smoke and argue amongst ourselves until we see naked flames? How high do the flames have to be then? Should we be at all concerned about these jihad jackwagons, who seem to be making progress while we’re losing liberty in our own house, and if so, what should we do about it? Or do they even exist? I’ve heard that argument– “There is no terrorist threat”. Exactly what would your dream candidate say? Please be clear and to the point. (assuming your dream candidate would be clear and to the point). If you’re for Ron Paul I don’t waht to hear from you. I already read his own words and they make no sense, and since he can’t speak for himself I don’t care what you have to say about him because you clearly don’t know any better than I.
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