Opposing What Ifs

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What if we tweaked the Constitution, amended the amendment, and instead of the right to bear arms, we change it to the right to have health care?

Abdul El-Sayed
April 6, 2023
MI Senatorial Candidate El-Sayed: ‘Replace 2A with Health Care Right’

What if we prosecuted him under 18 USC 241 and/or 18 USC 242?

15 thoughts on “Opposing What Ifs”

  1. Abdul El-Sayed Clearly someone who isn’t founding stock, and who is openly hostile to the basic rights and principles that our constitution is founded on, proposing that we invert those principles.

    The solution is easy: denaturalize and deport him, decolonize America, so he can go back to a place which has similar values. A win-win…

  2. So, functionally, what if we enshrined slavery again?

    Because that’s what ends up happening when you give people a “right” to someone else’s work.

    But then, slavery is legal under Islam, permanently and forever, as it came from the mouth of their pedophile prophet.

  3. Yet, another idiot that lives under the assumption the Bill of Rights gives people things.

    • He also is clueless enough to assume that amending an amendment is somehow easier than passing a new amendment. As if the amendments were afterthoughts and appendices to the Constitution, and not equally enforceable as the rest of it.

      Seriously, if they want to make healthcare a Constitutional right, pass an amendment: get it passed by both chambers of Congress, signed by the President, and then ratified by 3/4 of the States. (Currently 38 states, for those keeping track.) It’s a terrible idea, legally and economically, but if they have it in their druthers, they’re welcome to try.

      However, the fight to amend the 2nd Amendment to replace RKBA with universal healthcare will require exact the same process as a new amendment — because it IS a new amendment — with the added hurdle that while they might convince 38 states to ratify a new “healthcare” amendment, 29 states value 2A and RKBA enough to enact some variation of permit-less (Constitutional) carry, so good luck getting them to ratify your proposed amendment-amendment; they might get the 21 that didn’t, but they’ll need at least 17 that did to change their minds — good luck with that!

  4. They fail to realize that healthcare is already treated better than guns. Healthcare if readily available for you to purchase and you don’t even need a background check. In fact the government will pay for your healthcare if you can’t afford it. I have yet to see the government program that provides firearms and ammo to those that can’t afford it. Just remember 50% of the population has a below average IQ and the average is not that good.

    • Technically, less than half are below average and less than half are above average because SOME portion IS ‘average’. /pedant

      “the average is not that good”

      I want to challenge this. I want it to be false. Badly.

      Alas, if anything, you are probably too generous.

      • [pedant]

        While the whole 50% (or 50% minus epsilon) is above/below average is true for some distributions it is not true for all distributions. IQ is probably close to a normal/Gaussian distribution and hence the assertion here is probably true. It is not true for many other distributions. For example, what is the average of the set [90, 110, 110, 110, 110]? (Hint: 106) In this case only one is below average.

        [/pedant]

        • Insufficient pedantry detected.

          It depends on *which* “average” you use – mean, media, or mode. For median, it is ALWAYS true, definitionally.

          Of course, in an extremely large population (in this case, 100s of millions for US population, billions for human population, either of which is easily there), the distribution will be close enough to “normal” to avoid that particular problem entirely – it will be true for all three on nearly anything you want to check (at least in terms of direct measurements of humanity).

          /math nerd 🙂

          • You have a valid point on the type of “average” we are referring to. I, of course, was assuming the mean as that is what most people assume.

            It is not just the size of the population that makes a normal distribution. Suppose Sierra were to sell a 168-grain Super Precision Match King bullet. If they produced that by selecting for 168-grain +/- 0.1 grains from their standard grade 168-grain Match King, then sold the rejects as standard grade, neither the Super Precision nor the rejects will have a normal distribution. Another example. There are two machines making a cheap plinking grade 124-grain 9mm bullet. One machine puts out a 123-grain bullet with a standard deviation of 0.5 grains. The other machine puts out a 125-grain bullet with a standard deviation of 0.6 grains. The output of both machines goes into the same output bin. Those bullets will not have a normal distribution either.

            If IQ is strongly enough correlated between a sufficiently few variables (such as height between males and females) then you may see a deviation from normal in IQ as well.

            But, in the case we were discussing, I grant the distribution is probably close enough to normal that ordinary people do not have an interest in whatever effect the deviation might exhibit on the average of that population.

      • You guys are great. I love that the math nerds come out. Yes, I assumed a normal distribution which may or may not be correct for a given population IQ distribution. But I just love that you all picked up on that. Thank you for giving me a laugh today.

  5. So, he’s saying that he wants healthcare to be something that isn’t available to criminals, children or drug addicts? That you should have to show ID and pass a background check before seeing a doctor? That if a procedure was invented after 1986, no one but the military and police are allowed to have it done? That you will be charged and end up spending your life savings defending yourself from charges of practicing medicine in public if you give someone CPR? That if you cross state lines to get medical care, you go to federal prison? That if you buy medicine for someone else, you get sent to federal prison for a straw purchase?

    • (OK, time for some NFA fun.)

      You have to be licensed as a Class III clinic if you want to provide holistic and/or naturopathic care, and all your patients must register their procedures and pay a $200 tax stamp.

      A slightly different registration and $200 tax stamp applies for full gender transition surgeries, but they just removed the tax stamp for gene replacement therapy, so the courts decided that doesn’t have to be registered because Congress can only regulate what they actually tax. But in some states you need a sign-off from the Chief of Police to do ANY gender-affirming care, and a few ban it altogether.

    • Yeah, it’s similar to when someone says, “Let’s just treat licensing firearms like licensing cars” – I have a REALLY good time giving them the smackdown.

      “You haven’t really thought this through, have you?” And (usually) privately, I expect that applies to pretty much everything for them…

      • In addition to the fact that we don’t license cars, we license drivers, my favorite parts of that comparison are:
        – You pass a basic competency test once in your life, usually as a teenager, and your license is valid in all 50 states and some foreign nations, it just needs renewal every 4-8 years;
        – Registration is required only on firearms that will be carried in public spaces, and if your firearm is stolen and recovered, the police will use the registry to return your firearm to you;
        – You don’t need a license at all to operate a firearm solely on your own property, nor does it need to be registered; and
        – If your firearm doesn’t do what you need it to, you can borrow someone else’s with their permission — or there are whole businesses where you can present your license and rent a bigger and more powerful one, usually with extra capacity; and
        – No background checks required on licenses or any transfers or rentals.

        The whole list is good, but these tend to blow Leftists’ minds the most.

        • Not a bad list, but you got one a bit wrong:

          “– Registration is required only on firearms that will be carried in public spaces, and if your firearm is stolen and recovered, the police will use the registry to return your firearm to you;”

          It’s even better than that.

          Registration is only required to OPERATE a firearm in public (anyone can carry one around), AND, if there is an emergency (such as someone pointing a gun at you), even that requirement goes away.

          Seriously, game that out with a vehicle – you can have one transported or (for small enough vehicles) carry it around or PUSH it around, no problem. It’s only the “operation” that is the problem.

          And if someone pointed a gun at you and told you to drive them to the hospital, no one would prosecute you for driving without a license.

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