5G phones have settled into common use and now 6G is on the drawing boards. So, what will be in the 6G feature set?
Read about it here: The 6G vision: Fewer dead zones, smarter networks, and built-in ‘radar’.
This looks to a scary feature:
One of the planned new features in 6G is called Integrated Sensing and Communication, or ISAC.
“It’s the big talking point that’s getting the most attention right now. ISAC means that we will no longer see the mobile network as just a way to transport data. Instead, radio waves will be transformed into a sensor, a kind of radar. The network can ‘see’ and measure distance, speed, and movement with centimeter precision without the devices needing GPS or cameras. This opens doors for everything from traffic monitoring to fall detection in healthcare,” says Mikael Gidlund, professor at Mid Sweden University.
The idea that all mobile phone masts could be able to sense their physical surroundings and detect presence or movement may sound like science fiction — and also like a nightmare from a privacy perspective. This is something Mikael Gidlund is well aware of.
“This is one of the most important technical challenges that must be solved for the technology to gain acceptance. The goal is to design the system according to the principle of ‘privacy by design.’ ISAC works like a radar, not a camera. It works with anonymous point clouds rather than biometric data. We can see that someone has fallen and needs help, but not who it is. By allowing data processing to take place locally in the mast and building technical barriers to identification directly into the standard, we can actually increase privacy by replacing cameras in sensitive environments. Anonymization is not an option — it is a technical prerequisite for trust.
They are saying some of the right words and phrases. But if they have centimeter resolution, it probably means this tech will enable the detection of people who carry guns. If they can tell if someone has fallen, they can tell if two or a group of people are having sex.
I find it telling they enumerate some potential benefits, but then lump all the downside into “privacy.” And just because they don’t know who someone is, if they can detect a person who as fallen, then I’m almost certain they can track an individual person. And if they can be tracked, privacy just disappeared.
As a first step, what needs to be done is to enumerate all the ways this technology could be abused and apply “privacy by design” to those use cases. My intuition tells me there will not be much left in the benefits category once they have eliminated the potential for abuse.
Nope.
Sticking with my old flip-phone. When 6g is required, I’ll go phoneless.
Just like with Win11 going to far with AI and privacy loss, I never “upgraded” to it, and Win10 will be the last Windows system I ever own. It’s got a second SSD with Linux on it, and one day soon I’ll be switching over to that full time.
They are no longer doing what’s good for the product user, they are doing what’s needed for a totalitarian state complete monitoring and control.
Between drones and phones, another revolution will be almost impossible w/o going back a LONG way… perhaps that’s the plan.
You need to read more carefully. In this case your tin-foil hat increases your visibility. It is the cell tower being used as radar.
This tech works without you carrying a cell phone or there even being a cell phone nearby. And with seamless satellite coverage built into the network being “way out in the woods” doesn’t help you. The tin-foil hat just makes you easier to spot.
Would you like a set of well used plans for an underground bunker?
I did note that, actually. But knowing “there is a body HERE” is different than knowing “this PARTICULAR body is HERE.” The fact that doesn’t need phones makes it less acceptable. Bladerunners taking out cameras in England were a thing for a reason. I suspect most people have absolutely no idea how much surveillance they are under, day-to-day, and how metaphorically thick the folder on each of us is.
Not sure if I can afford a bunker at this time, but yes, if things don’t change direction soon here in the greater Seattle area for the better (did you hear that Seattle is now thinking about taxing commercial landlords an extra tax on their empty space to incentivize them to lower rental rates and get the office spaces filled?) then I’ll be aiming at leaving in a year or two, likely for ID. If, by then, I can afford a bunker, yes, I’d be happy to look over the plans.
Once you can track a body figuring out which body it is becomes trivial.
Quite possibly.
Which makes fighting it a very lonely course.
But someone has too, or else the next injection will not be “optional.”
I could support a serious fight against it. But your suggested method is, at best, useless. In this day and age, it probably would get you unwanted attention from law enforcement. This is because it would be trivial to write a “threat hunting alert” for people who do not have a cell phone. The premise would be that anyone over the age of 12 has a cell phone. If someone does not have a cell phone it must be because “they up to no good.” One top of probably getting more attention you not having a cell phone puts you at a disadvantage to other people. You are deliberately discarding all the benefits of cell phones and getting, at best, nothing in return.
Come up with a better way and let’s discuss it. Perhaps I can refine it.
I do not see it possible to anticipate all the ways a nascent technology can be abused.
Correct. The same with anticipating the uses.
We live in interesting times.
Good news (for Joe, at least): That radar function isn’t going to be working inside of a Hobbit hole.
And if they do enhance it with ground-penetrating imaging radar capabilities, while you’re building your earth-berm house, put down a layer of conductive mesh in the dirt that’ll absorb the 1cm to 10cm wavelengths.
This sounds less like a communications system that can also function as radar, and more like a radar survailiance system that happens to be able to also let comms piggyback on it’s constant active scan.
And there is no way, zero, that the alphabet agencies won’t use them however they wish despite whatever the developers say or try to do.
Forget the programming, all they have to do is insert the backdoor into the chips when they’re made and that’s been done before.
it’s shit like this that stopped them from putting removal batteries in cell phones…
If a new or improved technology can be used to do bad things to others it WILL be used to do those bad things to others. Count on it. It’s just the nature of people…especially the people who tend to seek positions of “authority”.
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Life imitates art.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRELLH86Edo
(I realize it’s not EXACTLY the same tech applied, but still…I would not be surprised in the slightest if whoever came up with this got the idea from the film.)
“The goal is to design the system according to the principle of ‘privacy by design.’”
Literally impossible with the capabilities they are discussing. Not close. Not the same zip code, not the same continent, not the same planet, not the same solar system, maybe not the same galaxy.
The guy saying this stuff is either incredibly stupid or lying. Full stop.
“And there is no way, zero, that the alphabet agencies won’t use them however they wish despite whatever the developers say or try to do.”
Alphabet agencies? ANYONE with access to the data will be able to do it, easily and unavoidably.
“replacing cameras”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh, he’s serious?
And:
1. The network can ‘see’ and measure distance, speed, and movement with centimeter precision without the devices needing GPS or cameras.
2. We can see that someone has fallen and needs help, but not who it is. [emphasis in original]
These two statements do not jive. If you can measure speed, distance, and movement with “centimeter precision,” then you can ascertain location with the same precision. Humans are considerably larger than centimeters and have size disparities often considerably larger than centimeters, and it’s a trivially-simple process to track that body’s movement back to its “daily origin” (i.e. home) and get a better-than-good guess on who it is.
Basically, for example, my daughter is 8 inches (~20 cm) shorter than me, so if she and I both leave my house and go somewhere together, and one of us falls and needs help, this “centimeter precision” radar system could tell who we are based on where we came from, and should be able to determine which of us fell based on our size disparity (the number of centimeters falling), even if we don’t have our phones with us.
Or am I greatly overestimating the capabilities of the 6G “radar” system?
Your analysis is consistent with my assessment.