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The US is an awful place to compare anything too. They have a ridiculously high murder rate for a developed country and most of it is gun related.
And the whole constitutional thing is ridiculous. Their president is a pedophile who has broken countless constitutional laws. If it actually came to a showdown with between the army and gun owning civilians, the civilians would be massively under powered
UnicornForeverK
August 4, 2025
CMV: The UK would not benefit from more relaxed gun control laws like the US : r/changemyview
It appears to me that UnicornForeverK chose their name well. They have only a tenuous connection to reality. The lack of a solid connection to reality shows in their struggle with creating a coherent line of thought.
I could have spent way more time that it was worth to fisk this, but with a little coaxing Copilot did a decent job:
🧨 Debunking a Lazy Narrative: Guns, Murder, and the Myth of Military Supremacy
Let’s break this down and inject some reality.
🔪 “The US is an awful place to compare anything too. They have a ridiculously high murder rate for a developed country and most of it is gun related.”
Yes, the U.S. has a higher murder rate than most wealthy nations—but it’s not “ridiculously high” in a global context. According to 2023 data:
| Country | Total Murder Rate (per 100k) |
|---|---|
| Jamaica | 49.3 |
| Ecuador | 45.7 |
| Haiti | 41.1 |
| Honduras | 31.4 |
| Mexico | 24.9 |
| United States | 5.76 |
| Canada | 1.98 |
| UK | 1.15 |
| Germany | 0.91 |
| Japan | 0.23 |
| Singapore | 0.07 |
Source: World Population Review
The U.S. ranks high among developed nations, but far below many countries in Latin America and the Caribbean. And yes, most U.S. homicides involve firearms—about 4.42 per 100k—but that’s not the same as saying “most murders are gun-related” globally.
📜 “And the whole constitutional thing is ridiculous.”
This is a vague dismissal of a foundational legal framework. The U.S. Constitution has shaped democratic governance worldwide. Criticizing specific interpretations is fair game—but calling the entire system “ridiculous” is like calling the wheel a bad idea because you don’t like traffic laws.
🧑‍⚖️ “Their president is a pedophile who has broken countless constitutional laws.”
There is no credible evidence to support the pedophile claim. It’s defamatory and baseless.
As for constitutional violations, presidents from both parties have faced legal challenges. Examples include:
- Obama: ACA implementation delays, recess appointments
- Trump: Birthright citizenship EO, inspector general firings, funding freezes5
But “countless” is hyperbole. Most alleged violations are contested in courts and resolved through judicial review—not proven breaches.
🪖 “If it actually came to a showdown between the army and gun owning civilians, the civilians would be massively under powered.”
This is the most interesting—and historically naïve—claim.
🇦🇫 Afghanistan Case Study
The Taliban, with ~85,000 fighters, outlasted the U.S. and NATO over two decades. They used small arms, guerrilla tactics, and local knowledge—not tanks or drones—to win through attrition and ambiguity7.
🇺🇸 Now extrapolate to 100 million armed U.S. civilians:
- Wealth & Education: Civilians have vastly more resources, technical literacy, and access to logistics.
- Veteran Expertise: Millions of former service members with tactical training.
- Infrastructure Access: Civilians live inside the systems the military depends on—power grids, telecom, transportation.
- Cyber Potential: Insider threats could exploit vulnerabilities in command networks, spoof IFF systems, or jam communications10.
- Friend vs. Foe Chaos: Identifying adversaries becomes a nightmare when they wear no uniform and share cultural ties.
Suppressing such a population wouldn’t be a military operation—it would be a civil war. And history shows that civil wars are rarely won by the side with the biggest guns. They’re won—or lost—by legitimacy, endurance, and the ability to navigate chaos.
🧠Final Thought
This quote isn’t just wrong—it’s dangerously simplistic. It ignores history, misrepresents facts, and underestimates the complexity of power, resistance, and governance. If we’re going to have serious conversations about violence, politics, and the Constitution, we need to start with facts—not slogans.
1 Murder Rate by Country 2025
2 Gun Deaths by Country 2025
3 Top 10 Constitutional Violations By Clinton, Obama, Biden – U.S. Constitution.net
4 Which Us President: Most Constitutional Law Breakers? | LawShun
5 The President and Constitutional Violations: Will the Federal Courts Contain the President’s Power Grabs? – Center for American Progress
6 How big is the TalibanĘĽs military? | [August Updated]
7 Afghanistan and the Danger of Small Arms Transfers | Cato Institute
8 Military Power Is Insufficient: Learning from Failure in Afghanistan
9 Friend or Foe Identification Systems: Securing the Skies, Seas, and Cyberspace
10 Identification friend or foe – Wikipedia
11 Decoding Identification Friend or Foe Technology – MilitarySphere.com
Let’s also not forget that some advanced nations don’t automatically call a murder a murder; some criteria have to be met for findings, suspects identified, etc. So there’s a perverse incentive to not investigate to keep the stats looking good. As I recall the UK is in this category.
My recollection was that the UK required a conviction before calling it a murder. But Copilot disagrees (with references): https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/MksxxZhCzsywhQ6jyZbKG
The reference does not explicitly support Copilot’s conclusion, but it does hint at it.
Japan unofficially does the same. All things considered, pay attention to their “improper disposal” numbers. I know for a fact that they do that to dead Yaks, (figuring correctly the person had it coming, btw). Plus, often, the police only arrest what they know they can beat (yes, they do this), a confession on, or have solid proof of, on. Given all things, Japan’s number is a joke.
A further point on the US murder rate is the highly localized nature of crime in the US. The majority of murders occur in specific urban areas, while rural areas often have an extremely low murder rate. Even within those areas murder is localized. Chicago as a,whole has a notoriously high murder rate, but that is concentrated in a few,neighborhoods and often adjacent neighborhoods have few or no murders in a year. Most of the US is quite safe.
As for the rest of Unicorn’s assertion “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience” Mark Twain.
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Before anyone gets excited about the low murder rate in Singapore, consider the influence of caning in Singapore. Perhaps, in some small way, there is an influence on the crime rates of males from 18 to 50 having their asses beat by government experts in ass-beating. It’s a career field.
Let’s not be confused: when I visited Singapore, it was great. My compatriots in the US in the 2A community said, “If there was anywhere to not feel like you missed your sidearm, Singapore is it. They take care of security in a way that even Disney Word doesn’t.” They’re violating your human rights, but at least they’re making an active effort to stand-in for that lost agency.
So before someone starts in with the “Singapore is doing it right” stuff, just realize that any Black Bloc or BLM or Just Stop Oil protesters would be hauled off and beaten black and blue from knees to shoulders within eight hours, before they started calculating your fines.
The biggest and most obvious preventative to the military massacring American gun owners is that the vast majority of our military would never follow such orders. They would be more likely to come down on the side of the civilians with guns than the leftists who hate the military and guns. That conflict would be over before it began. To the extent blood was shed, it would most likely be among those ordering the massacre, not their intended targets.
Why do you think they offer citizenship to foreigners for serving in our military, and push clearly unqualified people (particularly females with chips on shoulders) into leadership positions? Because they will follow those orders.
I don’t believe that for one single solitary minute.
For one thing, the U.S. military has in fact fired upon American civilians when do ordered, on multiple occasions. Kent State, for one.
For another thing, when/if such an order goes down it almost definitely won’t be framed that way. The soldiers will be told their targets are extremists, domestic terrorists, enemies of the state, dangerous criminals, human traffickers, anything that is both plausible and dehumanizing.
If one does a tiny bit of statistical analysis, the data shows that if you subtract Black on Black murder rates, the overall murder rate drops dramatically. African Americans constitute 13% of the population, black males approximately 6.5%. Most Black on Black murders are black males between ages 18 through 25. A statistically tiny fraction of the overall population. Furthermore, if you subtract Latino on Latino murder rate from the overall murder rate the United States murder rate falls into Western European numbers. That rate doesn’t even count Black on white murders or Latino on white murders. If one does that, the United States is one of the safest countries in the world. To state this openly is considered racist. It is not. It is fact. If Leftists and liberals truly cared about young black males, they’d acknowledge the utter tragedy of so many being murdered and move heaven and earth to influence young black male culture to that which eschews murder. Same for young Latinos. Their murder rate is indeed an absolute human tragedy but to lump their murder rates to the nation as a whole is either willful ignorance or a means to indict the United States so as to undermine the second amendment.
But “countless” [Constitutional violations] is hyperbole. Most alleged violations are contested in courts and resolved through judicial review—not proven breaches.
And doesn’t the Trump administration have a ridiculously-high rate of prevailing in court once the cases are appealed past District-level activist judges? Most people would take that as evidence that there was no Constitutional violation, just a policy or action that a single partisan judge didn’t like. Even the liberal justices on the Supreme Court have about a 50/50 chance of siding with the administration (with the exception of KBJ, but even she occasionally can’t find fault in the administration’s argument)!
Why, it’s almost like the Trump administration has actual Constitutional experts consulting on what he is and is not allowed to do under the plain text of the Constitution … or something!
UnicornForeverK was using an old script, when Biden was in office referring to the President as a pedophile who has broken countless constitutional laws was pretty accurate.
I can see that being a reasonable hypothesis.
We have a ridiculously lower murder rate for the amount of guns we have in this country.
And only a commie AI chat-bot would be afraid to admit it.
We’ve imported 80% of the murders in this country. People that still think they can act like their in the shithole country we rescued them from. (Even after 300 years.)
And then refuse to hang the other domestic 20% for communism’s sake.
Otherwise, America would be the safest place on planet earth.
Deportations can’t go fast, nor deep enough.
And communist can’t be publicly hung quick enough.
The other side doesn’t even have an argument to make on this subject.
Showdown?
The US Army has about half a million soldiers, not all of which are armed.
Pennsylvania, alone, has around a million licensed hunters.
Just sayin’…