Quote of the Day
Newly uncovered guidance from the Justice Department claims the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) allows federal law enforcement officers to enter the houses of suspected gang members without a warrant and remove them from the country without any judicial review.
C.J. Ciaramella
April 25, 2025
Pam Bondi says “alien enemies” can be deported without judicial review
A copy of the DOJ document and attachments referred to is here.
Among other things, the document says:
For purposes of this guidance memorandum, an “Alien Enemy” under the Proclamation and 50 U.S.C. § 21 is a person who is: (1) fourteen years of age or older; (2) not a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States; (3) a citizen of Venezuela; and ( 4) a member of the hostile enemy Tren de Aragua, as determined by reference to Form AEA-21A, titled, “Alien Enemies Act: Alien Enemy Validation Guide,” attached to this memorandum.
Determining if someone meets the requirements of item (4) above only requires a law enforcement officer and their supervisor’s signatures. It is claimed there is no access to judicial review of this determination. I see no mention of penalties for false findings.
This is asking for abuse. Imagine President Gavin Newsom getting a similar law regarding domestic terrorists passed through a democrat majority Congress and Senate. Then he declares members of the NRA as qualifying for a one-way trip to Gitmo.
But you might claim that would be different because the 2nd Amendment is a specific enumerated right. The right of association is also an enumerated right. If the organization is involved in criminal activities, does that mean all members are automatically criminals? Suppose the NRA is found to have been engaged in criminal activity. Are all NRA members then criminals as well?
If item (4) is not satisfied, they can still be legally deported. This is because they are not a citizen or legal permanent resident. But in this case judicial review is required. So how is the judicial review eliminated by getting the signatures of two law enforcement people?
I am not a lawyer, but this seems to be, constitutionally, highly suspect.
Where are all the “patriots” who “revere the Constitution” on this one? All the Trump fanboys get real quiet when it’s “the other guy” (and particularly the brown guy) whose Constitutional rights are being violated. Hypocrisy wears a MAGA hat.
Yeah, if the dems got back in power they might start locking people up for years without due process. That would be awful!
This is true. In the words of Chance, the Gardener, “I have seen this before.”
As William Pitt the Younger said. “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” When a new group comes to power on the strength of pointing out the sins of the outgoing group, as Alien suggests, it must be careful not to pick up the tools of their predecessors.
Same place we were while J’6ers were being held in solitary confinement for without a hearing.
Where were all you and all your commie friends back then?
Hypocrisy much? Go look in the mirror, bud.
We’re right where we always are, just trying to survive in a war nobody wants to admit were in.
While the two sides nobody will admit to being in destroy all that’s good, true, and beautiful.
Hypocrisy is like addiction. To get off hypocrisy, first you’re going to have to admit your addicted to it.
That’s where America is today.
And if you study a little human history you would know “Trump” types are created by communist types.
Communist bitches created MAGA.
Maybe you’all could shoot him in the other ear and see what we get?
Thrown out of helicopters would be my guess.
The J6 folks have all had hearings, trials, attorneys, witnesses, evidentiary hearings…every bit of process the justice system affords was given to them. And they lost their cases because it was all right there on video for all of us to see. To say that isn’t the case is completely Orwellian. Or to use the more modern term, “gaslighting.”
“Gaslighting”, “Hypocrisy”, much their Johnny?
As Job said to his friends.
“No doubt you are the people. And wisdom will die with you.”
You keep straining on them knats.
It’s going to be a wonderful world when your all done.
Actually, were all just arguing over acceptable levels of insanity.
What’s “do process” at the abortion clinic look like?
Sometimes I wonder just how high you are when you’re typing your replies, and then I wonder why you’re not sharing the good stuff….
Sorry, even LSD couldn’t twist your logic into something workable.
And I forgot I’m dealing with someone that can’t seem to grasp even biblical sarcasm. Oh well.
None the less, you forgot to answer the question. Which deals with the worse communist hypocrisy on this earth.
What “due process” are children of the womb getting?
Before their executed by modern day equivalent of being “drawn and quartered”?
And for gaslighting.
“Abortion isn’t murder.”
Till you can get rid of that, don’t tell me I’m some kind of hypocrite for not giving a crap about your degenerate friends being deported. Or some imagined due process they’re not getting.
I see your point.
But you need to consider three things:
1) The Dems don’t give a damn about process except when it serves there purposes. J6, anyone? Giving them every benefit of the doubt while getting none in return is simply saying “it’s fine if you win and destroy out country, just do it slowly, and with lots of paperwork and employing lots of lawyers.” The hypocrisy of the left screaming about due process is rich, given their constant abuse of process. They were screaming to lock up the unvaxxed just a few short years ago when we refused the experimental mRNA shot, and were fine seeing us fired w/o due process. I couldn’t find a lawyer anywhere in the state to take the case, because they knew they’d have a much harder time trying to work in the state ever again.
2) The Dems control significant parts of the judiciary (witness their constant abuse with TROs and injunctions by “judges” with no jurisdiction); giving invaders the privilege of normal judicial review is tantamount to saying “tie this up in the courts and expel nobody, until the Dems are back in power.”
3) Whatever process is used must allow for illegal aliens to be expelled or composted at LEAST as fast as they can enter. Otherwise you are simply conceding the long game, but slowly and with more paperwork.
Yes, it’s ripe for abuse. What sort of proper procedures did Randy Weaver get the benefit of? It’s a war. Following peace-time rules against enemy combatants is… a sub-optimal way to fight.
I am nit-picking a bit here, but the Ruby Ridge/Randy Weaver incident was under a Republican administration. This leads to my point that all government employees who violate the constitution should be prosecuted. It is not a tribal affiliation issue.
Your third point is quite valid but there are solutions which do not involve violations of rights. Here is a potential solution… Create a new class of Federal “Level 0 Immigration Judge.” Their sole task is to look at a small set of documents and say, “You can stay for now.”, “You are leaving now.”, or “Your case will be heard before a Level 1 judge on date T.” When ICE arrests someone for suspicion of immigration law violation they are given a GPS ankle bracelet and a court date no less than 30 days from then. On their court date they bring the judge the set of documents showing they are in the U.S. legally. This can be a U.S. Passport or birth certificate (with government photo ID), foreign passport and VISA, travel documents indicating they are leaving in a few days, etc. The judge spends a minute or less on average to review the documents, makes their judgement, says, their thing, and clicks the appropriate button on a computer to record the finding.
100 Level 0 judges should be able to process about 40 to 45 thousand immigration cases a day. In less than a year all the cases should be cleared.
So you support catch and release, just with another layer of lawfare “judges.”
Again, I see you point, but the fact is when out of power the left wants to hold us to our principles because that is according to our principles, and when in power they screw us over six ways from Sunday and toss process and principles in the trash, because that is according to their principles. Again, look at how many people lost jobs over the vax in this state. “We’re better than that” is simply a polite way of saying “I surrender.”
The Geneva Convention only applies to uniformed soldiers. That is an incentive to be open about your allegiance. Captured non-uniformed personnel can be summarily shot as spies (or hung, or whatever).
How about this as a compromise: when a suspected illegal is captured, they are offered a choice. A) be deported immediately, or B) go to an immigration judge. If they choose A without causing problems, they are eligible for normal immigration and adjudication procedures while awaiting on the other side of the border and supported on their own dime. If they choose B, and are given expedited and local judicial review by something like yours outlined above (ideally same day, but no more than a week, no releases). If found after proper formal judicial review to be in the country illegally, they are summarily executed as a foreign spy.
Please supply a citation for summary execution of suspected spies. I’m certain there is some sort of due process. Sure, they are not treated as prisoners of war. But there is a process where they get to plead their case for innocence.
In your suggested process, I don’t see any downside for the arresting officers who bring in Rolf and his family and call them “suspected illegal aliens”, give them choices A) or B) and repeat this several times per year. Please revise your process and suggest penalties for government agents who make “mistakes.”
Fine. You want to lose, as long as the paperwork is done correctly.. Just say so and be done with it.
If you’re illegibly in the country you should have no civil rights. Give them the same “due process” they used to get into our country.
They can get their civil rights by filing from their own country and waiting there for the process to work its way through the system.
No civil rights? Wow! Shoot them on sight! So much for the claims for the existence of “inalienable rights.”
And how is it determined if they are in the country illegally without due process? Because they don’t speak English? What about tourists or people here on business?
Exactly. Without laws we live like the animals. So much of the previous Administration’s actions, especially actions surrounding “border control” should be the proof of that.
You think it’s that hard to prove citizenship? Birth certificate? Passport, driver’s license, HS diploma, affidavits from a couple of people who’ve known you since elementary school or longer?
In this context “inalienable rights” are for American citizens. This is an emergency and the situation is getting much worse every day.
They can get their “due process” from their home country. There is no need for them to continue living illegally in America while the “due process” works itself out.
BTW – if you can get your GPS ankle bracelet plan implemented, immediately start a GPS ankle bracelet manufacturing company. Guaranteed 40 million units sold!
So, I need due process to prove my citizenship, but since I haven’t proven my citizenship I don’t get due process. Nice. You’re a student of Kafka, I see.
You can get “due process” by applying for it from the country you are a citizen of. Not by applying while illegally living in a country not your own.
Nope.
https://sites.law.duq.edu/juris/2018/10/16/illegal-immigration-and-the-right-to-due-process/
Part of why the courts have sustained the idea that non-citizens get due process is because without it your logic is circular: their assertion of citizenship (or right to asylum, for another example) cannot be established without due process.
And the “due process would cost too much and take too long” argument is both not true (as Joe noted with his proposal for another layer of immigration judges) and counter to both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution. Windy’s quote is best:
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
Whether they are TDA or not, is irrelevant. They are here illegally and that is enough. As a matter of priorities, getting rid of the bangers first is reasonable but they all need to be gone.
Agreed.
Gonna fun when they’re all gone and there’s nobody to pick the crops, build the houses, or butcher the cows. Because if history tells us anything it’s that white folks don’t want to work in meat packing plants.
And Trump’s gonna bring back all those iPhone assembly jobs back onshore, so the white folks can hunch over the board line adding tiny screws to phones instead of working the kill line.
It’ll be great! We’ll have $5000 iPhones AND have to buy all our food from South America! It’ll be great! MAGA!
Your views often led people to suspect you were a racist.
Thanks for confirming.
Actually there’s data. I grew up in Yakima, where immigration of all kinds has been a central issue for decades. At one point in the late 80s/early 90s they did a study where they artificially inflated wages for a variety of the really hard harvest and processing jobs to see if there was a breakpoint where white people would start to compete with the immigrants (who were all from Mexico and south America at that point…and mostly still are). They couldn’t raise the wage high enough to hit that point without making the entire business untenable.
So no, it’s not racism, though I understand if you would prefer to think that since this is the internet, and ad hominem attacks are always the easiest way out.
Calling a person who judges others by their skin color a racist is not an ad hominem attack.
I’m not making a judgement, I’m noting objectively measured reality. There are a gazillion data sources to support my assertion that most agricultural workers (and construction workers, and hospitality workers, and….) in the U.S. are Hispanic. If I’m racist, so is the U.S. Census Bureau.
Here, let me Google that for you: https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#demographic
People are happy to work in meat processing plants, but not on minimum wage under slave-like working conditions. The major processors routinely lay off citizens and legal immigrants who start demanding less than horrible working conditions, then import a bunch of desperate immigrants to do the job. So glad to see you support slave labor and displacing living wage jobs. Typical of a Seattle Socialist. Say one thing while doing things that promote the opposite.
“People are happy to work in meat processing plants”
Go talk to some folks who’ve worked the kill line and get back to us on that one. Alternately, explain this new definition of “happy” you’ve come up with.
“So glad to see you support slave labor and displacing living wage jobs” I’d love it if all the brutal, low end jobs that need doing paid a wage commensurate with the labor involved. Sadly we have a ruling class that doesn’t want that, and instead keeps menial jobs paying as little as possible so they can keep enough money for themselves to buy senators and presidents. I’ll point you to the delta between wages and productivity over the past several decades (https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/23410.jpeg), and note that had that productivity surplus been redirected back to the workers we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But it wasn’t, and now we have multi-billionaires, no middle class, and a huge pile of jobs that pay poverty wages. So, yeah, don’t complain to me about slave wages…that problem’s got obvious solutions neither the dems nor the republicans are interested in implementing.
The quote we all know is “Work white people won’t do. ”
The original quote was “Work Americans won’t do.”
Once again, that quote is incomplete, and the whole quote should be, “Work Americans won’t do at that price.”
In a free market the price is negotiable, and the negotiation won’t include, “This is the price, take it or we’ll call La Migra.”
America most definitely does not have a free market. Not now, and possibly it never has. Maybe at the very beginning, but certainly not from the mid-1800s onward.
“But without slaves, who will pick the crops” Your political antecedents – 1850s
“But without illegals, who will pick the crops” You, today.
You want illegal aliens, whose ‘services’ have been used and abused for decades to continue in their slavery you admire so much, like all leftists, as opposed to the Guest Worker/Migrant Farm worked regime with, ‘visa in hand’ vetted background and documentation to do your dirt and household work.
You want those illegal, “undocumented” untraceable aliens in this country because
(1) you know how cheap they’ll work for you and just how discardable they are if injured or killed on the job, and
(2) how they can be used to advance the left’s political purposes of skewing the census numeration for Representative Apportionment in the House. It’s no “ad hominem” when – from all your previous commentary here – you are the real anti-Civil Rights (you don’t like and want to decide how others will exercise) elitist, supercilious racist here.
You’re just dense enough to think we’re dense enough you can sell it as fresh cattle feed instead of what’s already been through the bull.
I enjoy how I can type words representing my line of thinking, and you can just ignore them and tell me I think stuff entirely different. It’s fun. Kinda like talking to Eliza after a 5-day meth bender.
At the point where you’re willing to rationally discuss the census demographic data on agricultural (or construction or…) workers, feel free to get back to me. I’ll be sure not to hold my breath.
You don’t enjoy anything about it and it shows in your insulting and belittling, the standard of the leftist who isn’t getting his way and can’t understand why all the unwashed won’t accept his clearly superior mind.
Just in case it hasn’t dawned on you, trying to say your typed words:
“Gonna fun when they’re all gone and there’s nobody to pick the crops, build the houses, or butcher the cows.”
doesn’t mean exactly: “But without illegals, who will pick the crops” is rank amateur gaslighting, and it more indicates your overblown ego and sense of superiority than anything else.
As to ‘rationally discussing’ anything with a blatantly open racist, you aren’t worth giving you the opportunity to work on more of your Sea Lion Trolling.
“Imagine President Gavin Newsom getting a similar law regarding domestic terrorists passed through a democrat majority Congress and Senate. Then he declares members of the NRA as qualifying for a one-way trip to Gitmo.”
I accept your terms.
The democrats are expert at lawfare, and our Constitutional structure, rightly, highly respects the procedures that accommodate it. However…..there is this thing called “spirit and intent” which every competition body to which I have subscribed or participated under references that phrase in its rule book, to publicly state what should be obvious but is often honored in the breach: “just because it may be technically allowed by a narrow interpretation of the rules it is not reasonable to do so.” My parents termed this “being a Philadelphia lawyer” when I raised objections to certain family issues; they were not incorrect, both toward my efforts, and similar ones paralleled by society generally.
Were such as Joe’s “Newsom Prophesy” to occur – and I have near-zero doubt it would, whether under Newson or an equivalent politician – that segment of the population The Left so dearly wants to be rid of would, most assuredly, not wind up in Gitmo. I have long offered that in today’s America reasonableness and basic human consideration have been abandoned in favor of “getting what I want” and it is not the slightest bit unreasonable to raise spirited objections to that.
Well, bring it on, because were Newson’s Folly to occur The Left would, to paraphrase H.L. Menken, “get what they wanted good and hard” because none of us are going to board that train; we’ll rewrite the definition of “pogrom” instead, with vigor.
Which, as I have also offered, is probably – and very, very unfortunately – apparently one of the few ways this perpetual disagreement may be resolved. I deeply wish it were not so, but the difficulty of establishing a rational discussion with a rabid dog invites consideration of alternate courses of action.
Our land for our people.
Our laws for our people.
Our rights for our people.
The Constitution specifically doesn’t apply to “Indians not taxed.” And that’s a practical definition of the 50+ million Illegals here.
The Constitution also does not apply to enemy soldiers, who these foreign gang bangers most definitely are. There is no need to prove their intentions, as their membership is proof enough. Imagine WWII soldiers having to summon a JAG officer to ask each individual German if they were a member in good standing of the Nazi party before shooting at them.
We are at war. The rules of war are simple: Survive and Win.
I was wondering how long it would take for somebody to bring “blood and soil” into it….
The dirt isn’t magic. I’m sure when whites are a minority the new majority will treat you as well as you treated them.
Yes, the “blood and soil” slur. Caring about your nation and your posterity doesn’t make someone a Nazi.
Americans are entitled to a country and to pass it on to our posterity as intact as possible.
“Americans are entitled”
Well, sure. Having killed off 95% of the native population, of course you get to declare “this is mine.” Genocide’s convenient that way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Holocaust:_Columbus_and_the_Conquest_of_the_New_World
OK, we get it, you hate white people, because they are uniquely evil in the world. Just admit it and move on aready.
Nope, didn’t say that, don’t believe that, but hey, if it makes you feel better to make me a caricature, knock yourself out. This is the internet after all, we’re all here for your catharsis.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
We are the children of conquerors. Our ancestors survived everything the world could throw at them.
Interesting that you would take that position in a forum largely dedicated to the discussion of Constitutional rights, 2A in particular.
The thing about “might makes right” is that it (logically) rejects any protection by civilization, and the Constitution in particular. You’re certainly free to live by the law of the jungle if you want, but then you lose the protection of the laws derived from the Constitution and the system of justice it provides. Pick a lane. And remember that if you pick the “might makes right” lane, your Constitutional rights are null and void: It puts you into the category of people the Republicans are currently putting all “illegals” into: people who aren’t considered citizens and thus enjoy no legal protections.
Blood and soil are everything.
You don’t like our soil, leave. You don’t like our blood,well, that’s your problem. I intend for my genes and memes to continue, and to hold the land my ancestors conquered and tamed for my grandchildren.
If you’re afraid of being called a racist, you’ll never defend your people and your country. If you’re afraid of harsh words, you’ll fail at combat. If you cannot identify the enemy, you cannot defend the friendlies.
Paraphrasing Michelle Malkin – “Due process isn’t over until the illegal immigrant wins.”
Scenario:
LEO watches man assault and rob a person just on the other side of the border fence. Immediately after this, the man climbs the border fence and arrives in the USA.
Can the LEO just grab him by the scruff of the neck and kick him back over the border or should he give him a “notice to appear”, release him and wait for “due process”?
Same LEO, same man – but takes two years for the LEO to locate him in the USA. Does this chance the scenario or not?
How is that relevant to anything that is being discussed?
Wonderful comments all!
I think were forgetting though, or just trying hard to forestall, that which has been made almost a forgone conclusion.
What’s “do process” look like when the shooting starts? Cause that’s what’s going to happen in this country soon.
100 million gun owners and the looney left bitches that won’t shutup and leave them alone almost guarantee CWII.
You can’t vote your way out of communism.
That “stroke of the pen” has been in the tyrants hand for a hundred years now. (And for the last four years it’s been automated.)
Knowing what’s coming? Hell, I almost want to be deported.
And while we’re at it. What’s “do process” look like at the abortion clinic?
Killing people without “do process” is a national pass time in this day and age.
Do process is justice. (Which means we need to handcuff a communist to every criminal alien we deport. And shoot one for every aborted child murdered.)
Do process is a construct of a civilized society. We don’t live in one of those anymore. And haven’t for a long time.
Dear MTHead:
If I may, can I suggest getting off your phone and using a real keyboard? That would have the advantage of providing easier access to some sort of spell checker, and perhaps even a grammar tool or two. I recognize the difficulty of combining speed with accuracy on that tiny #&% keyboard, and am willing to concede a certain amount of random characters (Lord knows I incorporate enough of those in my comments and I’m using a real keyboard, all efforts at proofreading be damned) but there comes point at which some degree of correction, or prevention, needs to be applied.
It’s “due process” not “do process.” Which, interestingly enough, you did get correct in your 29 April at 1307 comment. (Which confuses me, because it’s sandwiched between a Schussler comment of 28 April 2025 at 2028 and a later-in-the-thread (?) Rolf comment of 26 April 2025 at 2200. Perhaps there really is such a thing as a “time warp.” Or, maybe, the Left Coast is even stranger than we thought.)
I apologize for the pedanticness, but details do matter.
Sorry, I only comment from my laptop. Not my phone.
It’s old like me. And though I would love to blame sticky keys. It’s more like sticky synopsis on my part.
Spell and grammar check do the best they can with me. And it helps a lot.
But it’s just a poor education coupled with an old brain that has me putting “do” and “due” in the wrong place.
Sorry again.
Not sure about time warps as I live dew south of Joe in Idaho.
Thanks buddy!
“I can right more gooder write now if eye try.”
I’ll head back into the cave and be quiet now….