Gun Registries Are Only Effective for One Thing

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I think it is a wonderful idea to have a registry of every gun that is owned by a civilian in the United States of America. Because then we could have perhaps less killings in our neighborhoods. Less killings at our supermarkets. Less killings at our concerts. Less killings period in the United States of America.

Bonnie Watson Coleman
US Representative (D-NJ)
July 2024

This is all in response to the ATF spending 10s of millions on digitizing nearly a billion* 4473s from out of business FFLs:

Even if you ignore the fact gun registries are only effective for one thing, a gun registry maintained by the U.S. government is illegal.

Addressing congresswoman Coleman claim: she should do some research. Then, try to answer just one question. Registries are not associated with “less killings” of the type she refers to. The only thing registries are good for is gun confiscation. 

I hope these people enjoy their trial.

* A bit of good news in this is that nearly a billion records means it’s going to take a lot of people a lot of time to find and confiscation the guns referenced by those 900+ million records. The workers will become fewer and time required even longer as I expect they will become lead magnets.

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24 thoughts on “Gun Registries Are Only Effective for One Thing”

  1. Except that AI can sort those records and collate them for efficiency. So, how do you kill a piece of software?

    • Cause AI ain’t doing the leg work. As Matt Bracken is fond of saying; “A plan to ride the tiger is completely different than actually riding one.”
      The ATF, police, and local trans-gender commie fag democrats in uniform might know you have guns.
      Now you got to boot-up, show-up, and lay your ass on the line to take them.
      There’s not enough of them.
      As for AI? Turn of the power.

      • Turn off the power? That works both ways…

        They will also turn off your bank account, gas, driver’s license… and the same for anyone caught doing business with you, and cash rewards for neighbors who turn you in.

        Unless you are completely independent of their systems, at or beyond an Amish level, you’re going to have a problem.

        • Well OK then. You going to do that to a 100-million-armed people?
          The 100 million that know how to hit back?
          “Making life hell”, cuts both ways real easy.
          What’s wrong with being Amish?

          • Yeah, I think they’re going to do exactly that:
            They’re not too bright: They absolutely scuttled the US$ as world reserve currency, by showing the world they would steal their money,.. thinking that it would break the back of the Russians. Backfired…. predictably… but they did it anyway, and they’ll “deperson”, “debank”, the entire US economy if they think it’ll force us to disarm, or take the jab, or mouth whatever lie is “next”. Yes they’re absolutely that stupid, suicidal, and nihilistic.

            They’re trying to start a nuclear war, and I think they’re going to: Let’s see what happens when the first F16 takes off from a Polish runway and bombs Russians.

            Nothing wrong with being Amish, that level of indepenence has been my objective for ages.

          • @Fido since the reply button isn’t active for his post.

            There are those (including me) that believe that stealing the Russian’s money was a trial run for stealing our money.

          • Yes.

            But the money has no value, outside of the fact that it is useful for as a medium of exchange got purchasing goods & services.

            Take that away, and the all of the money is entirely worthless. But there are plenty of people who control and/or have the ability to make goods and services available. If they feel like it. Or are offered some kind of incentive.

            Something—anything—else can always become money. Not just anyone can build a house, or run sewer pipe, or write a recipe, or draw up a will, or whatever.

      • AI does consume a crazy amount of electricity. But I guess that’s not a climate concern for some reason.

  2. As you say Joe, gun registries are illegal in America. On top of being worthless.
    And anyone that leaves border security to the cartels, letting criminals from all over the world roam our streets with impunity?
    Then would have us believe gun registration is going to keep us all safe?
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Poor Bonnie, she more than makes the argument for repealing the 19A.

    • It’s all illegal. The department of education is illegal. Most of what passes for “federal government” violates the 10th ammendment.

      We have a sitting Supreme Court justice who argues that the 2nd ammendment does not give anyone the right to use guns in self defense.

      This government does *not* obey the US constitution, the founding document which creates and *defines* the US government. It has not respected this document for a *very* long time. So… whatever this government is, it is demonstrably *NOT* the US goverment. It is an occupational goverment.

  3. Remember, kids. There are only 1,500 ATF agents. There are over 90,000 gun stores.

    Do the math.

  4. Interesting. They have been pushing the “400 million guns in US” for a long time.
    Yet the fraction the BATFE actually hold is more than 900 M. Don’t know about you, but I”M not buying and selling 2.5 guns for every one I end up up. And given that in a lot of places private transfers are totally legal, and making your own is totally legal, and a lot of guns came into the country prior to GCA ’68 and the 4473… somehow I suspect that there are somewhat more than 900 M guns in civilian hands in the US.

    Best analytical guestimate I’ve seen, and assuming the reported background checks are nearly all new guns, I’d put the total at 1 to 1.1 billion guns.

    • I’m sure many of them are being resold also. I’m thinking even AI would have a time sorting who has what and where.
      Especially with the way serial numbers are wrote on forms.
      It’s all total commie fantasy hour. Not even a good distraction.

      • Rumor has it that a lot of the paper 4473s from out of business FFLs were stored in a leaky warehouse in WV thanks to Robert Byrd. Whether they can be restored and digitized is far from certain.

  5. Tell bonnie that the rest of us will consider* her remarks when she and the rest of the political scum in dc give up their .gov provided ARMED security(paid for by the tax payers).
    *considered – not happening, heh

    • I once proposed an amendment to say that no government person may own any weapon, or be protected by any weapon, that may not be possessed by all law abiding adults both in his place of residence and location of his office. (I would have called that the “equal rights amendment” if that hadn’t already been snatched, so “equal protection amendment” would have to do.)

  6. She really does need to do some research.

    She might learn:
    – A gun registry maintained by the U.S. Government is 100% illegal.
    – The U.S. Government using taxpayer funds to build a gun registry is 100% illegal.
    – Given private transfers, wills/bequeathments, privately-built firearms, and the number of firearms in private ownership before 1968, any registry built from 4473s is going to be woefully incomplete, and what is there will be woefully inaccurate.

    And most importantly:
    – No crime has been definitively solved by a registry. Ever. “Crime guns” tend to be stolen or re-sold. A registry only has records of guns transferred by licensed dealers. “Crime guns” are almost never in them, and even in the rare instance they are, there’s enough other evidence that the registry entry is little help in securing the conviction. Canada even ditched their long gun registry and Maryland deleted their “forensic handgun database” because they were massive wastes of resources that never produced anything of value.

    We know all this, and Bonnie has the information at her fingertips. That she’s still pushing for the creation of a federal gun registry should be used as evidence at her trial.

  7. Every legitimate good thing that a gun registry is alleged to do could be better accomplished by law enforcement physically delivering the recovered firearm to the nearest FFL, and leaving it up to them to arrange to deliver the firearm back to the owner in the manufacturer’s warrantee register. The owner can take it up with their insurance to pay the shipping and handling fees, or let the FFL sell it on commission.

    Similarly, every background check system does only one thing: assure a good person that they’re selling/transferring to another good person. There is no possible way to force a bad person to do anything in either context that they can’t evade by, whoops, just not giving a f*#&. Furthermore, why in the world would a good person selling to another good person they know want to get the government involved when both good people know that the government is the bad actor in this scenario?

  8. The gun control cultists are true believers. They really, really believe that registering guns will cause all criminals to turn in their guns and become pious law-abiding taxpayers. Uh, yeah.

    The BATFE has known for half a century that gun registries don’t work. What happened? The serial killer David Berkowitz aka the “Son of Sam” showed that this was a fool’s errand.

    David Berkowitz started his depredations in 1976. It was quickly recognized that he was using a Charter Arms Bulldog revolver chambered in .44 Special.

    For the BATF, this was the perfect opportunity to demonstrate how they could trace guns. The gun had started production in 1973. There were not that many made. All guns had serial numbers and records of who purchased them.

    Despite the fact that the guns had only been in production for 3 years and the BATFE was able to find 4473 forms for every gun sold, they could only find about 80% of the guns. Their registry scheme had failed.

    The “Son of Sam” killer was spotted by an alert pedestrian who called the police. It was discovered that Berkowitz had purchased his gun from an unlicensed pawn shop. There was no record of his purchase.

    Let’s assume that the BATFE had identified Berkowitz as purchasing that gun. How would that identify Berkowitz as the killer? It wouldn’t. So even if their efforts to trace the gun had worked they still wouldn’t know if Berkowitz was the killer. Gun tracing sounds useful but it is supremely useless.

    So why do they want to register guns? They want a list of gun owners. History shows what other totalitarian regimes used their firearms owner registries for. Don’t think it cannot happen here.

    • TheBee had a spoof interview with Pelosi years ago, where the interviewer asks her: “Do you really think that if you outlaw guns, gun owners will simply turn in all their guns?”

      Her spoof repy: “Of course. They’re law abiding citizens. It’s what they do. It’s not like we’re trying to disarm criminals.”

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