We live in interesting times

This could get interesting:

Mexico’s foreign minister on Monday posted a video online detailing a diplomatic note to the U.S. embassy requesting answers about a gun-running sting under the Obama presidency, keeping a spotlight on the controversial issue.

In the video, Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard cited former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder as saying Mexican authorities knew about the 2009-2011 scheme known as ‘Fast and Furious.’

The current Mexican government has zeroed in on the program to highlight possible corruption under previous Mexican administrations amid a debate over how much they knew about the U.S. operation.

If the current administration has access to such records it could be useful in the prosecutions of corrupt politicians on both sides of the border.


9 thoughts on “We live in interesting times

  1. Trump, nor any of his assorted AG’s have shown the least bit of interest in crimes of the Obama admin.. And the communist putsch that was being implemented. Somehow I don’t think the Mexican president is going to get very far.
    Truly, how does one track a firearm given to a cartel member? And document the crime that’s committed with it? To what end? To find out if criminals with guns will use them to commit more crime?
    And a question I’ve always asked is. Who in the FBI NICS system approved a Mexican national to purchase stacks of Ak’s and Glocks with one background check?

    • I think that, to the contrary, the Trump Administration has a very great interest in them. However, they also have a great many corruption-fish to fry, and addressing a well-rotted system and cleaning up the points of infection in a way that you can bring charges and expect an honest investigation, prosecution, and trial is a complex and long-term task. You can’t investigate with a corrupted FBI or police leadership, you can charge with a compromised DAs office, you can’t go to trial with a compromised judiciary. So they have to do massive amounts of background work so they can effectively charge all the compromised parts at once. Following Q-anon, it looks like the number of sealed Federal indictments is now well over a hundred thousand.

      Once they have enough of an honest system that justice CAN be administered by the remaining parts, then they can pursue things like Fast and Furious. But it would be interesting to watch Holder et al extradited to Mexico for interrogation and prosecution for their roll in that travesty of an operation.

  2. We’ve now seen dozens of “THIS TIME we’ve got them!” stories, just since the Clinton administration’s ChinaGate, during which several high level people turned up dead under strange circumstances, disappeared, or fled the country. Hillary as sec state kept classified documents on an illegal private server, used her position to garner “donations” (payoffs) to the Clinton Foundation, and when questioned about it had her hard drives selectively wiped. The list of high level offenses, crimes and misdemeanors is long.

    None of those things were prosecuted and so it’s quite difficult to imagine any of this being prosecuted. And if “prosecution” happens, it’s harder still to imagine that it would actually result in meaningful convictions, and if meaningful convictions are handed down, it’s even harder to imagine meaningful execution of those convictions. Bill Clinton was disbarred for a short time, but that was about it. Slap on the wrist, and, “Hey look; we ‘punished’ him!”

    No; we’re looking at a system that’s one, big, world-wide confederacy. Apparent “political rivals” and even “deadly enemies” are, when we’re not looking, comrades, part of the same network of fraternal organizations.

    If there are actual, meaningful prosecutions, and if real convictions were to be handed down and actually carried out, family prosecuting family, then look out; something really really big is underfoot; a new phase in the game, and I don’t mean in a good way. I mean chaos and destruction followed by a major “restructuring” or “reset” of the political system as a whole.

    And if said prosecutions, convictions and executions don’t happen, well, same outcome. It’ll come down to whether that same outcome is accomplished one way verses some other, this way or that, but it will be accomplished. It may only take a bit longer. The point is that a display of a real action would mean we’re near to the end of the plan. The Final Solution if you will. I think we are anyway, but that would be a definite signal.

    • The current administration has a much stronger motive to see some sort of justice in the case of Holder than the previous administration. And in the examples you give who, in power, had strong motive to see a prosecution? And also, in this case, there is availability of plausible deniability against an accusation of pure politics. If they turn over the requested documents and perhaps extradite Holder to Mexico then “it wasn’t really their fault”.

      I’m not saying it will turn out any different this time, but I can see the odds being significantly greater.

      As far as the “one, big, world-wide confederacy” I have serious doubts about the existence of any master plan or significant organization behind this. It’s more of a spontaneous mass delusion like the climate change stuff. And as such it can collapse extraordinarily swiftly. Much like the economic bubbles that occur every generation or two. The tulip mania, radio stocks, and others which fool 100s of thousands or even 100s of millions of people are just the better know examples of “what everyone knows” turning into thin air in an amazingly short period of time.

      The U.S. had a much wider, as a proportion of the population, adherence to the communist political philosophy about 100 years ago than we do now. That bubble popped as well. This time it may not pop before it does a lot more damage. But delusions such as this will ultimately fail as reality cannot be denied forever.

      • “As far as the “one, big, world-wide confederacy” I have serious doubts about the existence of any master plan or significant organization behind this.”

        Skepticism is always a good thing. It’s healthy, like water, until a point is reached where it becomes dangerous. I submit that in this case the preponderance of evidence and of history says there is a “master plan”. We don’t like to believe in any such thing because it makes us not only extremely uncomfortable to discover that we’re more powerless than we previously imagined, but for social reasons too.

        I’ve learned this much working technical service for decades– Finding the correct diagnosis depends not necessarily on the fact that it is there (of course it’s there, else you wouldn’t have the specific task of finding it) but on where you’re willing to look and how determined you are to find the problem. Until that process has been completed, there’s no correct way to address the problem.

        That of course presupposes that you knew for certain, from the beginning, that there was a problem and furthermore that it was a problem limited in scope to the singular, physical instrument at hand.

        As easy as THAT is, given the extreme limitation of the scope of the problem, many, many people get it wrong, and even horribly, even catastrophically wrong, in mechanics, electronics and firearms.

        That’s all just preface to the following. Understanding what is broken in world politics requires information, specific symptoms, their scope and their trends. In a large scale problem, with players involved who wish to remain unknown, with agendas they wish to keep secret until the mast minute, it’s a far more difficult problem. And so, far more people are going to get it wrong.

        I take it that you haven’t yet read Laudato Si. In it you will find what can only be described as a “master plan”. It is specifically, openly written as such, and addressed to the political, religious and social leaders of the world. What else can one call it? Thus, QED, there is, undeniably, a master plan. At least the one. And the words needn’t be put into scare quotes.

        It doesn’t make the popular news, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, or that a billion or more people including world leaders, world organizations and major influencers don’t at least somewhat openly embrace it.

        And here is where your world view could explode. I just found this just tonight;
        I ask for one hour of your time, at your leisure, but if you’re going to spend that hour watching it anyway, listen and watch carefully.

        I don’t want you to agree with any of it, for much of it is quite insane, but to get just a little glimpse into what is driving much of world politics just under the surface (now rapidly coming out onto the surface).

        Just because something is utterly crazy doesn’t mean a lot of people can’t be dedicated to it for many generations running. When power, wealth, status and above all pride, are involved, you can bet it can persist for millennia. And in fact it has.

        By all means do not believe it, but please look at it.

        Disbelieving a chronic liar is all well and proper, and dismissing him as insane may be correct, but it would be a mistake to deny his existence, organization, agenda and influence, or to admit his existence but assume that he is witless and feeble.

        I ask this also; when Sunday Law proposals or dictates come to your own city, state or neighborhood (and they surely will) that you take another look.

  3. Am I missing something? I can understand wanting to punish the scumbags responsible for attempting to get guns banned by arranging for something bad to happen with them; but doesn’t prosecution under gun laws (that shouldn’t exist) play into the naritive that background checks are good thing and certain people who are free to walk the streets should be denied arms, and guns need to be traceable, etc.?

    • Maybe. But I think that, in cases like this, the benefit of jailing government criminals outweighs the drawbacks.

    • I wouldn’t see them prosecuted under the gun laws we want repealed, but illegally exporting guns to Mexico, lying to Congress, contempt of Congress, and conspiracy to infringe upon the rights of U.S. citizens.

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