Via email from John Schussler who contributed his comments:
I have a feeling you are probably not thrilled with this, but some of your readers definitely are. I’d be very interested to see a post from you (and the comments to it) discussing the below. Seems to be making the rounds but I have yet to find the original post. Thus far there’s Reddit, plus X, plus others if you Google the first sentence
Then gave me the link Insurrection act — April 20th. Pls read! : r/Political_Revolution and the text below. I am also interested the comments of my readers.
I really wish there was a way to get this into the hands of every American before April 20th.
FROM THE MEDIUM:
Part 1: On April 20th, 2025, the United States may Cross the Point of No Return.
It sounds wild. Maybe even crazy. But every step is already in motion. I’d be happy to be wrong. But if this is correct… you’ll be ready.
On April 20, 2025, the United States may initiate its final steps into authoritarian rule.
That’s the day Donald Trump’s advisory committee is expected to release its findings on whether he should invoke the Insurrection Act — a move that would allow him to deploy the military domestically and allow Trump to impose martial law. (San Francisco Chronicle). Given Hegseth and Noem are the main “advisors”, the conclusion is foregone.
And as his two months in office has already shown, he won’t stop at just a legal opinion.
Expect an executive order even that same day or the next, officially declaring the Insurrection Act, restricting freedoms in the name of restoring control of the border and perhaps in blue-state cities, and setting the larger plan in motion.
Of course, this won’t be framed as an attack on democracy. It will be packaged as a necessary response to crisis — as authoritarian takeovers always are.
But once it happens, there’s no going back.
THIS WILL BE THE POINT OF NO RETURN.
The roadmap for overthrowing a democratic government isn’t new or theoretical — it’s a well-worn playbook, tested and repeated across history by those who crave power more than liberty. After rejecting it initially, being incredulous, I have realized there is too much evidence suggesting this may be what’s happening now to remain silent.
Telling other people what may be happening, so they can recognize it and maybe together we can stop it, is my entire purpose here.
This is Part 1 of what has turned into a series: Their Coup Playbook: How They Quietly Kill the Constitution in the Coming Weeks and Months
THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY ENDS: HERE’S THEIR PLAYBOOK
It won’t all happen in one night.
Instead, the process will unfold in stages, each step making resistance harder.
Free elections, a free press, and the right to protest will disappear one piece at a time, until there’s nothing left to save.
My entire goal here is to make people aware, so you can recognize it, if it really is what’s happening, and maybe together we can help stop it. It’s all I, personally, can do.
Here’s how it will happen, step by step, after Trump invokes the Insurrection Act with an Executive Order:
1. “Resist!” Demonstrations Grow — Just As Planned
Left-leaning and even more centrist people will be alarmed. Peaceful protests will be organized nationwide, as they already have been being organized now, with growing numbers of people joining protests each week.
The calls to “Resist!” will grow louder, and large-scale demonstrations will begin forming in major cities.
This is exactly what Trump wants. He didn’t invoke the Insurrection Act sooner because he needed his opposition to gather first — so he could use them as a tool for his next step.
He also waited 90 days, instead of invoking it on Day 1 as Project 2025 recommended, so he would have his people in place, and remove those who would oppose them in the government, military, courts, and civil positions.
His cabal is waiting for a strong reaction — they want massive unrest. They need a justification to kick off the next steps in their plan.
2. The False Flag Crisis: Turning Protest into “Terror”
The protests will turn violent quickly. Maybe in a day, maybe during the next big protest the following weekend.
They will turn violent not because of the protesters, but because they will have been infiltrated by agents provocateurs, from militia groups like The Proud Boys, whose goal is to escalate as quickly as possible and give Trump and his cabal an excuse to trigger the next stage.
Expect “terrorist” bombings, targeted assassinations, or high-profile acts of violence, either staged or exploited, to justify the crackdown.
There may even be an extremely high profile assassination of a leading right-wing leader that changes everything in a moment… and the “woke radicals” will be blamed, and the country will rally around more extreme measures to bring back order and control.
The media will be flooded with images of chaos, pushing the public into a state of fear. Calls for “order” will follow.
3. Trump Declares Expanded Martial Law — And Calls for Militia to assist the police and Military
Trump has already invoked the Insurrection Act — so now he now declares even more extensive and repressive martial law, and orders troops into major US cities where most oppose him, branding protesters and opponents as “seditionists,” “traitors,” and the “woke mob”.
He will call on “good Americans” to grab their guns, like the patriots of 1776, and join the militias forming to “restore order” and “take back control” from the leftist threat. Using militias also gets him around resistance from military leaders who might oppose his orders.
The militias already exist — the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, and others— and they are not some distant fringe. They were at January 6. The most extreme and radicalized are all released from prison now.They are ready to roll, and to answer Trump’s call, which they were waiting for four years ago.
The militia members are your neighbors. The difference between them and you? These neighbors own and have been training with AR-15s. You and your friends? Not so much.
This will be framed as “helping the police” and “keeping order.” Law enforcement will quietly welcome them — or, in some cases, will deputize them, with Trump’s support.
4. Mass Arrests of Opposition Leaders
Journalists, Democratic officials, and activists will be arrested under charges of sedition, terrorism, or “inciting violence.”
Expect Mark Milley, Liz Cheyney, and Adam Kinzinger to be arrested quickly and with great press coverage. How long the show trials take is probably a good measure of how much control Trump has established over the courts.
Key Democratic governors and attorneys general will be removed first, ensuring no state-level resistance.
Law enforcement and military ranks will be purged, with loyalty tests ensuring only Trump-aligned officers remain.
5. Military & National Guard Take Over Major Cities
Expect deployments in Washington, D.C., New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and other blue-state strongholds.
Curfews and lockdowns will be imposed, justified as measures to “restore peace.”
Checkpoints and military policing will become the new normal. Expect them in particular along major highways going to Canada or Mexico, and in red states — to identify and detain seditionists, traitors, and people of questionable loyalty.
Trump’s building of detainment centers in Guantanamo, and expansion of the 106 other ICE detention centers, was not actually intended for illegal migrants. And just a few days ago, Blackwater founder and Billionaire Erik Prince offered to help Trump “privatize deportation camps” as has been being done with prisons per Trump’s Day 1 Executive Order. So now Trump has an extrajudicial place to store the disloyal and those who resist, in for-profit camps guarded by militias and loyal military. Until he decides what to do with them.
6. Press Censorship & Total Media Control
Independent news outlets will face shutdowns or takeovers. Those that resist will see their journalists arrested or harassed.
Mainstream media will be forced into compliance. Blackmail, corporate pressure, and legal threats will ensure they toe the line.
Social media platforms like X (Twitter) will amplify the official narrative, drowning out opposition.
Other social media and lines of communication will be turned off. The Internet will be monitored, people identified from this monitoring for arrest, using Palantir technology. Peter Thiel, who I’ve written about before, is co-founder of Palantir. We will fully enter the surveillance state.
7. Borders Close & Dissidents Are Trapped Inside
Passports will be revoked for critics and opponents. If you’re on a list, you’re not leaving. Especially if you’re of Draft age.
No-fly lists will expand to include activists and journalists.
ICE and DHS will be weaponized — not just against immigrants, but against political enemies.
8. Elections Are “Postponed” Indefinitely
The 2026 midterms will be suspended under the excuse of national security concerns.
Red-state legislatures will eliminate Democratic-leaning districts, ensuring permanent Republican control.
By 2028, Trump (or his handpicked successor) will run unopposed. Elections will be a formality, probably still held. But rigged.
PROJECT 2025 AND THE INSURRECTION ACT: THIS WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN
This isn’t speculation.
The Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 lays out a detailed strategy for permanent right-wing control.
It openly advocates using the Insurrection Act to crush opposition and dismantle the administrative state.
Trump isn’t improvising — he’s following a script.
We Can’t Wait — The Time to Act Is Now
We can’t sit back and wait for Trump to fire the starting gun — because once he does, it will already be too late.
We need to prepare now.
We need to plan now.
We need to dismantle his plans before they begin.
We have one month.
That’s it.
The Only Way to Stop this Coup is by Exposing It
The only way I can think of to stop this conspiracy, which is in final planning stages, is through exposure.
If people see the playbook in advance, they will be less likely be manipulated when it happens.
They might question the narrative. “Wait. This is what they said would happen. I thought it was crazy. But maybe…”
We need to spread this narrative far and wide so that when the moment comes, no one can claim ignorance.
Maybe we will be proven wrong.
Maybe we will look silly.
Or maybe… we will have derailed the plan, by telling people what to look for, to recognize the playbook steps as (if) they happen.
Here’s what we must do before April 20:
Empower the press, law enforcement, military, and elected officials to recognize the game that’s being played. They need to understand what’s happening before they are pressured to go along with it.
Share this post, or write your own. Do your own research. Don’t take my word for it. Talk with your friends and family about this crazy conspiracy theory that can’t rally happen… can it? So if and when the steps actually happen, people recognize it for what it is.
Prepare the public so they don’t take the bait. Trump and his cabal want protests to explode into chaos.
They want violence in the streets to justify their crackdown. We must be ready to outmaneuver them — to refuse to be used as pawns in their game.
Stand up to the militias — and stop friends and family from joining them. The Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and other armed groups will be mobilized as Trump’s shock troops. They will be framed as “restoring order” and “helping the police.” We need to be ready to counter this, to make sure our neighbors, friends, and family don’t get sucked in.
Inoculate our fellow citizens against the propaganda. Most Americans are good people — but good people can be misled. They can be scared into compliance. Our job is to make sure they see what’s happening before it’s too late.
The only way to stop this plot is to expose it, reject it, and make it unmistakably clear to every American what is happening. We must stop these malign forces from enacting their will on our country, the world, and each of us and our families.
WHAT IF WE DON’T STOP IT?
If it is not stopped, and Trump enacts the Insurrection Act, at that point we probably only have 48 to 72 hours to try to stop everything from happening after the Executive Order.
Once martial law is imposed, there will be a tiny window — no more than three days — before resistance becomes nearly impossible.
Stopping it before it happens is the best option.
But what if we don’t?
In my next post, I’ll outline peaceful, strategic ways to resist — while we still can. And what our reduced options are if it still happens.
If we don’t act before April 20, then by April 23, it will already be too late. The next post lays out a concrete action plan — exactly what you can do to try to stop this.”
My first response was to ask Copilot. Copilot was not very helpful. I gave the same prompt to Grok and clicked the “DeepSearch” button. My prompt and the complete response are here. The conclusion and key citations:
Conclusion
The essay’s earliest posting was on March 21, 2025, on Medium, and its claims about the report and advisors have a factual basis in the January 20, 2025, executive order and the roles of Hegseth and Noem. However, broader predictions about authoritarian actions are speculative and lack evidence as of April 8, 2025. Given the sensitivity and controversy, these claims warrant careful monitoring as the report’s release approaches, with potential implications for U.S. governance and civil liberties.
Key Citations
My ten second thought response which I replied in email to John with was, “That is an incredibly detailed delusion.”
If you really want to dig deeper go to the bottom of the original post for the Full Series. There are five long posts on this topic. I did not read them all.
My more thoughtful response with the input from Grok (and lesser extent Copilot), and reading further is that this person, at best, has a vivid imagination. There are connections to reality, but these are only used to jump off into political nightmares which Democrats have been creating and sharing for years.
After spending decades dealing with someone with mental health issues, I see a lot of similarities. They touch reality and then claim far-fetched scenarios are what those touches with reality “really” mean.
You saw similar things with QAnon.
There are enough references to reality that the extrapolation is plausible. And if you are predisposed to belief of that scenario, such as listening to mainstream media for the last several years, then “it all makes sense.” And “belief” is relatively easy.
By picking and choosing the data to incorporate into their belief system they can create a nearly conflict free belief system. Here are some data points they did not take into account.
- In general, dictators increase controls rather than decrease them. This enables the easy prosecution and jailing of political opponents. It seems to me the Trump administration is decreasing controls.
- The Second Amendment. The Trump administration is a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. I do not believe there has ever been a dictator that allowed their political opponents access to arms.
- The Trump administration is tearing down government structures typically required for indoctrination and consolidating control. For example, the destruction of Department of Education gives more control to states. Indoctrination of the youth is a common component of all dictatorships I have studied. USAID is another means of control which I would expect to be reshaped rather than destroyed by a dictator.
These data points should be sufficient for a rational person to conclude the scenario foreseen by the poster is unlikely at best and probably a delusion or a carefully crafted post with an ulterior motive. My best guess at an ulterior motive is a desire for attention. My second-best guess is an attempt to create an immediate violent response to the Trump administration.
Prepare appropriately.
I sure there are more disconnects from reality, but I just don’t have the time right now to do more research and thinking on the topic. Please contribution in the comments.
Almost a distorted funhouse mirror image of Matt Bracken’s short story “What I saw at the Coup”.
Indeed. The term “projection” comes to mind.
That was my thought when I got to the first mentions of “peaceful protest.”
I was just thinking that this read like the first chapter of a Matt Bracken novel! Very imaginative – and wholly off the wall.
Yep, click bait.
Leftists love to imagine themselves in these oppressive fever dreams. Same with all the Handmaidens Tale nonsense. ‘Why?’ is left as an exercise for their therapists. I can’t be arsed to care.
Thanks for the post, Joe. I’m particularly interested in this one because my FB feed, which is heavily populated by ex-MSFT folks who are by no means stupid, is now getting lots of reposts of this (article?). My basic assumption is that it’s an organizational tool: sow maximum fear to get maximum participation in rallies.
So then I’m interested in hearing thoughtful counterpoints like yours, and hopefully others among your audience. My plan is to gather the best and feed them back into my FB stream and see if there’s any pushback.
You are welcome.
A problem very bright people often have, is that they tend to be very good at justifying their own biases, preconceptions and assumptions; and they tend to not see themselves doing it.
(This is, I think, related to the fallacy that because someone is highly trained and good at something, they assume often unwarranted competence at everything they try to do. There is a reason the Bonanza light aircraft are often called doctor-killers, as an example.)
I speak from both personal experience and from observing the people I work with.
There’s an awful lot of “if”s and assumptions entrained in this scenario, tied together with “and”s.
Personally I’m still waiting for the death camps, revocation of suffrage, etc. that the Progressives have been promising since Trump’s first term.
Don’t forget end of gay marriage.
Sounds like they took an old Obama era FEMA camps post and just did a search and replace.
4-20 the world is going to change? Someone has been smoking the “good” stuff early.
Blue-anon at its finest!
Isn’t the easiest way to “overthrow democracy” is just win the election?
(Kind of like Trump just did.)
Or do insane brainwashed communists still believe everyone thinks like they do? And that their somehow still the majority?
One could spend a week doing the “why would Trump need to do that? He’s already in control of this.” Over almost every event on the blue-anon-horizon.
Trump has two years to arrest and prosecute/jail/deport almost all of his enemies. And he won’t have to make up legal theories to do it. As 99% of them are just un-arrested felons that should have prosecuted years ago. (If we only had a justice system, rather than a just-us, system.)
The only real big problem this country faces kinetically is the terrorists Biden allowed into the country, and the cartels backed by the Chinese.
As for democrats and their communist run democracy?
That was over before it started. 100 million gun owners refusing to go along with the commie BS insured that.
The only tool the communists had was a thin layer of legitimacy through elections and government authority.
But that’s all gone now. And nothing they can do will get it back.
But I have to say, Thank you, John!
It’s truly entertaining to watch communist AI chat-bots whip up marginalized transgenders into an army.
While they go to bought and paid for protest in cushy busses.
Yup, them’s some real revolutionaries there. (Marx and Lenin have to be rolling in their graves over this crew.)
The only thing communists could win in this country now is a monkey-pocks contest.
And of all the problems we face in this country?
None of them were contained in that article.
(I have been laughing so hard I need a nap.)
Or a bid to prompt the Resist!ancers to reveal themselves.
Watch for charter bus contracts and set up the geofences. Might also be interesting to watch executive jet charters. Deliveries of pallets of bricks?
And monitor the amateur VHF and UHF bands at demonstration-prone areas, and record anything that doesn’t follow in-district call signs.
If I were DOJ, I’d rather do that, and quietly arrest rioters two or three days after in Mom’s basement, sue them for damages done, and search their phones for contact information that reveals funding and coordination, than brutally crush a riot at zero-day. Somebody will crack.
I found it amusing.
Another data point they are choosing to ignore was brushed against with this paragraph (bold emphasis mine): That’s the day Donald Trump’s advisory committee is expected to release its findings on whether he should invoke the Insurrection Act — a move that would allow him to deploy the military domestically and allow Trump to impose martial law. (San Francisco Chronicle). Given Hegseth and Noem are the main “advisors”, the conclusion is foregone.
In addition to the inherent problems of citing the San Francisco Chronicle — or any Blue-city mainstream publication — as the source of Trump-related speculation….
We heard, over and over (and OVER and OVER), that RFK Jr.’s nomination to HHS Secretary meant the end of childhood vaccines, and vaccine research, and vaccines in general, and that modern medicine would be regressed back to the Dark Ages. You could almost even have said, “the conclusion is foregone.”
And yet, recently RFK himself has endorsed the MMR vaccine as the most effective tool to help prevent the spread of measles, while still believing that the decision to administer childhood vaccines (or not) should be left up to the parents.
Some “foregone conclusion” there….
It seems there’s a sizable difference between being a skeptic and/or critic of something (and leaving individual decisions up to individuals), and being wholly against it — which pretty much sums up the core fallacy within every “Straw Man” argument out there — but that’s a nuance the Left has had a hard time differentiating for a very long time.
(I can provide other examples, but I don’t believe it’s necessary.)
The whole thread is sensationalist propaganda, long on imaginative speculation, but quite lacking on fact.
Another example of the Left explaining exactly what they wish to do to us.
Considering that the commie-crats had the first meeting of their “shadow government”(their words, not mine) the other day, perhaps this fool and his friends should think about removing the tree trunk in their eyes before they worry about the splinter that the rest of us are dealing with.
If ever there was a true INSURECTION!!! (as opposed to the J6 gathering) this would seem to be the starter flag.
Prepare accordingly. LELZ. That’s how you know it’s all fuckery, yeah this entireTL;DR Horseshit faggotry nigger loving queer factotum. It’s always prepare accordingly not Christ killing his enemies. I’ve always and in all ways planned accordingly. You are a nigger loving faggot
Please tone down the insults and emphasize the facts and the rational basis for your case.
That’s so over the top/cliched Klan speak that I actually wonder if you’ve got a bot problem. I know there are lots of bots on FB, maybe they’re spreading?
Maybe.
There you go, conflating one bad thing out of a million good things as a huge problem.
Joe has a bot problem now?
One comment out of thousands?
Like the metaphor about your life. You seem to things that matter.
In favor of crap that don’t.
I didn’t describe the problem as huge, and bots are a sufficiently widespread problem these days it’s worth paying attention to and dealing with early, before it becomes a larger issue.
And I would think that in general folks here would want to drive out Klan types. Am I wrong?
I would not say, “Drive out.” Perhaps, “Less than welcome.”
You missed the obvious delusional symbolism. 4/20 is Hitler’s birthday. It is also the holiday for public weed smoking which may be more to the point.
This guy is so typically a TDS/libtard/leftist that it’s Funny…. But, it is useful to read his Nonsense, to get a good perspective about what these people ‘think’.
Remember, this is the ENEMY. Study them, understand them, it makes it easier to Eliminate them when the time comes. I seem to recall that General Tsu had something to Say about that.
Tough talk for a guy hiding behind a screen name….
A mix of fever-dream and projection of what the left would like to do if they didn’t fear the guns of the right-wing side of things. The “funhouse mirror distortion of reality” mentioned above is spot on.
But just for a moment, let’s posit it’s true. If following the rules got us a massive foreign invasion, trillions of debt, lockdowns, masking, encouraging genital mutilation, corrosive levels promiscuity, corrupted elections, corrupted judiciary, corrupted politicians, open oppressions of Christianity and submission to Jewish and Islamic interests, a satanic inversion of reality and science and relationships, the fentanyl crisis, losing the border, having our industry gutted and our jobs either outsourced or foreigners imported to take the jobs, a permanent state of war killing our sons and rights, etc., etc., etc., then the chance of maybe cleaning all that up and righteously hanging a lot of the bastards that got us here via the insurrection act would not be a bad thing.
I mean, it might be bad, but it’s likely much less bad that continuing on the current glide path. The Tree of Liberty getting watered and all that.
“cleaning all that up and righteously hanging a lot of the bastards that got us here”
I’m curious to hear more about how you see that all going down. Like, what exactly do you think “cleaning all that up” means, and how do you think society continues to function if people you think “got us here” are all hanged even though they were following the law as it was written?
Let me see if I can explain it this way.
You are arguing that all the compromised pedos in government office and the and human traffickers that service them should walk free unless the corrupted and compromised systems that they infest arrest and try them via normal means, and if it’s not done via the normal legal routes that it must be a bad thing.
I’m arguing that Satans minions are lawyers who are very good with words, and you don’t negotiate with evil, you kill it. “Legal” and “just” are not synonyms. Sometimes, just killing will be messy. So be it.
Interesting. We differ in our perception of government workers, to start. My wife is chief of staff for one of Seattle’s city council members, so I’ve had lots of visibility into how the machinery works, and who the players really are. Can’t say as I’ve seen any pedos or human traffickers.
So leading to your second point, I’m not bought in because I’m still not bought in to point one. But one question about your second point: who gets to decide what constitutes “evil?” If there’s no hierarchical justice system based on an enumerated set of rules, is it just “might makes right?”
Sounds like you’re a Christian, so I’m assuming the Hindus are not going to get a seat at the “is this evil” conference, on the additional assumption that your definition of evil will be grounded in Christian theology, yes? Do non-Christians who disagree with your definition of evil get a say, or is that not on the table?
Thanks for continuing the convo….
Do not confuse “I know someone locally who is a good in government” with “therefore is not a significant problem with bad people in many other parts of the government.”
Do you think our elections are honest?
Do you think America would do better under Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or atheist (functionally communist) rule (that is, the people running our constitutional republic are predominantly of one of those philosophical outlooks)?
Why should a person respect a person and legal system who clearly violate the written laws regularly, say they hate you, and want you dead or enslaved, and won’t leave you alone in peace?
Are you under the impression that most of the non-whites in the world respect our idea of the meritocracy and the rule of law, or do you think they actively put their own family / clan / tribe / race first?
Gonna number your points just so I keep them straight:
1. Wrt bad people in government: It’s certainly possible that as you go farther up the government power structure people get worse, since power corrupts. But your assertion is about “pedos and human traffickers” not power, and I see no evidence that moving up in government makes you more inclined in that direction, and what I have seen of government tells me that the folks working there are unlikely to have a greater propensity towards pedophilia or human trafficking. If you have data to the contrary, please share.
2. If by “elections” you mean the physical gathering and counting of votes, yes, they’re pretty solid. Fraud is extremely rare, and the visibility the election process has gotten ever since the “hanging chad” episode a couple decades ago means fraud has gotten even less likely. If fraud were widespread it would be highly visible and elections would have been overturned.
3. No, I don’t think political leaders with a cosmological perspective that involves assertions about a supernatural deity make things better. Nowadays religious people believe in the Christian god, or the Muslim god, or the Hindu gods (and more recently have invented Mormonism and Scientology), and they all assert absolute truth. Not that long ago those gods didn’t “exist” and instead we had Odin or Ra or Apollo or Quetzocoatl or Mithra, etc. Basing government on whatever mythology is popular at the time is not sustainable, since the mythology will change, and with it the core philosophy. Government should be independent of mythology.
4. This one’s a muddle. “A person” and “the legal system” aren’t the same thing, and in the latter case it has no ability to violate itself because it’s not an actor. As for people who say they hate you, want you dead, etc., those people might exist, but they’re a small percentage of the population. I assume you’re referring somewhat generally to liberals, but that’s a generalization that doesn’t bear out with your assertion. Yes, there are some far left nutjobs who hate folks on the right, just as there are far right nutjobs who hate folks on the left. Haters gonna hate, and since they really get into the hating they’re super loud about it. But that’s not the vast majority of the population on either side, who largely mind their own business and keep their mouths shut about other people.
5. I don’t have any reason to believe that belief in the rule of law is a function of skin color. As for “putting their own tribe first,” isn’t that what you’re doing when you assert (at least by implication) that white people are the ones who respect the rule of law and non-whites don’t? I’m guessing you’re white, and that’s your “tribe.” Seems very tribal to say “my tribe’s the good one, the others all suck.”
See below.
I guess that explains it. We live on different planets, apparently.
If you can’t see the obvious corruption and fraud in elections, compromised and pedo officials, or think that most of the world isn’t family/clan/race first, and there isn’t a difference in how different major religious or the Godless commies run countries, there isn’t enough common ground of knowledge to explain it all in less than a book-length reply, and even then you’ll just dismiss it all. If you show up at boomershoot or want to meet for a root beer or something, I’d be happy to talk about it all with you, but I simply don’t have time to write an answer that would actually answer.
I agree, this isn’t a forum where that kind of discussion would be had. I appreciate your comments, though, it does help me understand more. And I like understanding wherever possible. So thanks for that.
Oh bless their hearts…
But desusional or not, let’s not let a good psychosis go to waste.
How do we leverage this delusion to get them to pass rules that guarantee that they can be just as well armed as their redneck neighbors? Rednecks have been buying guns for a lifetime. Blue-Anons have to catch up quickly! Eliminate any kind of quota or 1-gun-a-month program today!
Blue-Anons will have to train and operate in secrecy. It’s time to legalize silencers so they can train without being heard by neighbors. [yeah, we know better, but we’re playing on what they believe is true, not actual facts…]
Blue-Anons are also vastly outnumbered. They will need fully automatic semi-auto machine gun assult rifles. If you can spray 100 bullet rounds a second, that’s 100 rednecks per magazine clip. The only way to combat their superior numbers. Time to legalize all that stuff.
Also time for the Blue-Anon team to invent some new tech, like a fully automatic shotgun pistol so you don’t have aim anymore (thanks to the wall of lead from the shotgun bullet) and you also get to shoot 100 rednecks per shotgun bullet clip magazine.
Okay, seriously. If they are this worried about a totalitarian takeover, why are they not getting serious about defending democracy with their own use of arms? Simple. They really don’t believe anything they’ve written could actually happen. They want to terrify their Blue-Anon base into demanding more bans on right-leaning speech and ownership of firearms ‘In the interest of preventing the April 20 coup…’.
See, the one positive I’m getting out of this particular situation is I now have a *much* easier time convincing my liberal friends that guns are a good thing. I have for a long time asserted that the citizenry must have the ability to overthrow the government, including by force, or they’re not actually citizens, they’re just subjects. Libs thought I was nuts. I’m not looking so nuts any more thanks to Trump, and those AR-15s seem a lot less scary….
I would be thrilled if more of my former MSFT colleagues took up target shooting!
Well John, maybe you should look at what kind of society other religions/peoples have created?
You want to live under Islame? Put your wife in a burqa. Cut your daughter’s clit off? Arrange her marriage for her?
Want to live in Hindu-stan? Throw your dead to rot in the same river you get your drinking water from? Want to be part of the “untouchable caste”, And never a way out?
Maybe you should go check out the latest mud-hut designs in Africa?
Need we go on?
Why does everyone want to pack into the only country on the face of the earth that was established for the glory of God?
The God that gave us Jesus Christ. And the laws that all our laws are supposed to be established under.
“To secure the blessing of liberty to us, and OUR posterity.”
That’s why no one else has a say in this country. (It ain’t a democracy.)
” It’s for a religious and moral people and is wholly un-suited to any other.”
And quite honestly, nobody even comes close. Even as flawed as we are. And with the mistakes we’ve made.
And one only need take a candid look at the rest of the world to know why.
Without Christ, you live in a fucking ghetto. Or worse.
Now you can play all the BS mental gyrations out of that you want.
Point at this little thing or that.
But the facts are, you live in a Christian country that everyone else would kill to be part of.
Or is so jealous of it they want to destroy it. And use it like a slave.
There is no law that allows the communist crap you’all call law in this country today. It’s not-with-standing.
And our authority to hang those that infringe upon our good graces?
Well, we’ll just have to let that non-existent God of yours decide our guilt.
And BFYTW to anyone that don’t like it. (I know, real Christian of me, huh?)
“look at what kind of society other religions/peoples have created”
Your examples are, from a logical point of view, cherry picking. Yes, there are countries with dominant religions that have made terrible societies. And guess what: those societies got terrible as a function of that religion. Iran before the Ayatollahs? Lovely place, check out the pictures. Same for Afghanistan. Islam in particular has done a great job of taking perfectly good societies and flushing them down the religious toilet.
But let’s not forget Christians: the Dark Ages were a function of religious zealotry running the society rather than rational thought and the rule of law. Finally with the Renaissance and then the Enlightenment we dug out of it, but not without a quick pass through the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition thanks to all the “Christians” practicing the teachings of Christ as they saw fit (apparently “thou shalt not kill” is more ambiguous than you’d think).
“that was established for the glory of God?”
It wasn’t. See Joe’s follow up post about how although the founders were influenced by Christianity, many of them were deists, and none of them wanted a theocracy “for the glory of God.”
“Without Christ, you live in a fucking ghetto.”
Really? ‘Cause much of Europe is now secular, and it’s by no stretch a ghetto.
“you can play all the BS mental gyrations”
You mean apply rational thought to religion? I realize that’s a fool’s errand. Religious folks believe what they do because their family and community told them to. Whether they grew up in Mumbai, Doha, or St. Louis, they’re gonna believe what they were told to believe as children, and no rational argument is going to convince them otherwise. I get it.
“you live in a Christian country”
See point 1, that wasn’t the founders intention. Now, you may *want* it to be a Christian country, and can certainly work towards making it that, but then we’re into the question of whether we use the rule of law to decide whether citizens are forced to follow Christian dogma or whether we use force. I think we have lots of examples of how well force works in the middle east and southeast asia, yes?
Check out some Christopher Hitchens (if the books are too long, watch his speeches on YouTube) if you want to understand more just how crazy I think religion is and why.
Trust me, I dislike and distrust “religion” as much or more than you do.
I’m more than aware of what humans have used it for, and what it’s still being used for.
As did our forefathers.
I also know how many humans died just last century through the atheist’s religion.
And that’s exactly what it is.
CHRISTopher Hitchens is a refined idiot at best.
Maybe you should read Vox Day’s, “the irrational atheist.”(it’s a free download.)
Where he takes apart Hitchen’s, Docken’s and Harris.
Or maybe you can go argue with the smartest man in the world’s mathematics, Chris Langan?
Christopher Hitchens won’t go anywhere near either one of them. As won’t most atheists.
In a word? Chickenshit.
BS mental gyrations is spot on.
And Europe is well on it’s way toward the choice of eating bugs or going butt-up five times a day. Maybe both. In what was built by Christianity. But is going secular.
Dark ages? You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Christian principles built and maintain America.
That’s just a fact.
Thinking anything else is just willful ignorance, and mental gyrations.
Well, it’s impossible to take it all apart in this space, but my summary comment on Day is that he’s a very articulate bullshit artist, and “The Irrational Atheist” is a thoroughly dishonest polemic that starts with a hand-wavy conclusion and works backwards to fit as many pseudo-intellectual turds into as small a sack as possible while still leaving room for self-satisfied snark. His writing is what you get when you spend your life doing everything possible to avoid self-criticism lest your intellectual house of cards come crashing down and you be revealed as a fraud.
As for “Christian principles built and maintain America,” that’s true to a degree (i.e. *some* Christian principles), as was well covered in Weber’s “The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.” But there’s a profound difference between the effect Christian principles had on social formation in the U.S. and Europe (as did Hinduism in India, Islam in Iran, etc.), and the assertion that “this is a Christian country” “established for the glory of God.” We have plenty of words from the founders explicitly saying those two statements aren’t true, to the point that they even put it in the Constitution itself, making sure church and state were kept fully separate.
And it’s not like all Christian principles are good. The Bible is filled with horrible edicts that Christians today conveniently refer to as “metaphor” because they know it’s batshit insane. Have you stoned anyone to death recently? ‘Cause the Bible wants you to….
From the text of the Mayflower Compact:
“IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia;”
Got anymore BS mental gyrations you want to present?
The nation was founded via the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The Mayflower compact wasn’t even considered in designing the nation’s founding documents, being over a hundred years old at that point and a pre-enlightenment document that the founders didn’t find useful.
Bullshit.
Our forefathers argued over the constitution for 11 years.
Studied every form of government known. Or had been known.
They were more than aware of the Mayflower Compact. Which was the founding reasons for this countries existent.
And THE founding document of America.
They well understood the Christian principles that brought their fathers here. They lived by them, fought and died for them. And were guided by them when writing the constitution.
To say otherwise is nonsensical, atheistic gaslighting.
I should have been clearer: yes they were aware of the Mayflower compact, but it wasn’t relevant because they weren’t interested in a theocratic state. They bent over backwards to keep religion out of government, and thought Divine Right was a terrible thing that needed to be expunged from the social order. Short of quoting all of them ad nauseum (there are libraries full of their writings on this subject), I’m clearly not going to convince you they didn’t want a theocracy. And you keep saying “Christian principles,” but I’m gonna need to hear more about what you mean, exactly, since there are lots of ethical principles that Christians share with a lot of other people independent of religion….
And if don’t like Vox’s argument about Hitchens being a brainwashed retard.
Maybe you can go argue against his mathematics on mutational gene fixation? And how many generation are needed for fixation in a species.
And the fact that there was never enough time for life to Evolve?
That’s once you get passed telling everyone how DNA started replicating itself?
Not just the hogwash of lighting striking the premordial pool, creating the amino acids.
The actual engine of replication. And where that came from?
Or the 4 dimensions DNA is able to display?
On second thought don’t bother. Cause nobody a lot smarter than us can either.
And you think he’s an expert in DNA mutation…why? Near as I can tell he has no training in it, and none of his writing on the subject has ever been subject to peer review.
If your smart enough to point out the lies.
What kind of peer review you think you’re going to get from the liars?
Nobody answers (although a few have tried and failed),
to challenge his/the math.
I got a 9th. grade education.
I just asked a question about DNA replication that no one can answer. And won’t/can’t.
Because it exposes their lies.
Peer-review is democratic science brainwashing.
Not the scientific method.
Yuri told me you wouldn’t get it.
F–k! I hate it when he’s right!
So everybody else is lying, and this one guy is telling the truth, and you know that because peer review is stupid, and you haven’t seen an answer to your question therefore there isn’t an answer to your question. Have I got that right?
So we can no longer question what is on it’s face moronic?
Do I have that right?
You most definitely have the right to question anything you like. As I have the right to point out when your argument doesn’t make sense. That’s how it works.
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