Which Box?

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All this leftist blather about protecting “democracy” is self serving nonsense, they care nothing about freedom or the rights of the citizens. And Europistan has absolutely no fear of their citizens or what they might want. In America, they seemed to tread a bit more gently trying lawfare more.

I wonder what the difference could be?

Give me a 2nd….I’ll ponder on it.

Sheila Stokes
April 3, 2025
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The ballot box seems to have helped reverse the trend here as well. But I have to wonder if, behind the scenes, the threat of the cartridge box was shoring up the ballot box.

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13 thoughts on “Which Box?

  1. The Left is backstopped by the judiciary nullifying the election. I assume that was always the plan. It certainly looked like that prior to the election. That is true all over Europe too.

    I don’t know what it will take for the Right to actually use the cartridge box. The current situation is worse than anything George III could have imagined. So I suspect that is just blather and I suspect that the Left has figured that out.

    • The Right lacks one major thing: Sound Leadership to take it into the battlefield. And by ‘leadership” I **DO NOT** mean politicians. I mean battle hardened leaders with no fear of repercussions and a willingness to kill all those that stand in the path of Freedom.

  2. Eurostan is what it is because we ain’t there anymore.
    Americans have a stronger sense of right and wrong. We always have.
    And nowhere is that more evident than our ownership of firearms.
    Our unwillingness to give them up when pressured proves that to anyone able to see it.
    England and Australia caved to less pressure than we have on us today. We still won’t disarm.
    Once one gets passed the communist blather. You find that indeed it’s been our unwillingness to bend the knee, and not just on firearms, that keeps us from going “full retard” into tyranny.
    And scares the crap out of anyone charged with conquering us.
    The communist should be grateful for our forefathers having wrote the 2A into law. As it’s saved them from wholesale slaughter more than they can imagine. Without it we would have gone full CWII years ago.
    And there wouldn’t be one left alive in America.
    As we have been patiently trying to explain to them for years now.
    It’s not the gun that kills; it’s the mindset behind the gun.
    2A is just a line in the sand.
    The worlds true hate of America is not our guns.
    It’s our sprit of, BFYTW. FAFO, bitches! Come and take’em!

  3. “A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box. Let no man be kept from the ballot box because of his color. Let no woman be kept from the ballot box because of her sex.” — Frederick Douglass, in a speech delivered on 15 November 1867.

    • I think Frederick Douglass can be forgiven for not including the soapbox. While the use of the literal soapbox as an improvised speaking platform did happen during the 19th century, so did wooden shipping boxes containing all sorts of things, and boxes previously soap weren’t particularly better than any other.

      If I’m reading the wikipedia right, and it’s not lying, the use of soapboxes (and other things) really took off in England in 1872 when Speaker’s Corner at Hyde Park was established in law as a place to say just about anything, which was good for them because they don’t have a First Amendment equivalent that actually means anything. “Soapboxing” became a bigger thing in the early 20th century before WW1.

      So, FD’s mention of the three boxes was prior to the fourth box being popularized as meaning free speech.

      A bit pedantic, I fully admit, but it’s one of those anachronisms that people don’t realize are historically very recent, like the modern police force being created in London in 1829, expanded to all British cities by 1857, while in the US, policing started in Boston in 1838, New York City in 1844, and Philadelphia in 1854. And that is why “police” are not mentioned in the US Constitution nor many state Constitutions until amended. The modern police department would have stuck the founders as a “select militia”, which they were wary of due to their history of inevitably (but possibly not initially) serving their paymasters first, and the population a distant second.

      • Sir Robert Peel who invented the modern concept of the police was pretty explicit that this was not supposed to be the case. Here is his principle #7.

        To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

        So I think the perversion of the policing concept came later. Leaving out the Black Codes during Jim Crow which were explicitly racial rather than about policing, when did this happen. In Europe, it seems to have always been that way. England was an outlier until recently. In the US, perhaps 1911 with the Sullivan Law although on that day in 1881, the Earps were enforcing a gun control law (which stayed in effect until the 1970s). Prohibition was another milestone as were the disruptions of the 1960s. The 1990 law about transfer of military equipment to police (to support another sort of Prohibition) got us to where we are.

      • No argument with you about the anachronism, nor Mister Douglas. Simply pointing out that there are four, not three. The “soapbox”, our Right to Free Speech does warrant mention if we are discussing the “boxes” on which our Rights rest.
        Greatly preferable to start with speech than cartridges, no?

        • The cartridge box should always be the last choice.

          But it’s still a choice.

          The whole point of integrity in elections, or the judicial system, such that even the appearance of impropriety is intolerable, is that the losers are persuaded to accept the loss and not go to cartridge boxes. Persuaded does not mean coerced through the threat of superior state firepower.

  4. We got a fortunate reprieve last fall with Trump’s overwhelming style and the lefts absolutely horrible selection of Harris as their candidate. In short we got lucky.
    If Trump and his associates don’t utterly gut the current electoral system that allows the left to cheat at will….just look at the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin…we are doomed. They won’t make the same mistake again next year or in 2028.

  5. Is this a sequencing issue, or at least the perception of one? The usual order is soap, ballot, jury, cartridge, but if one perceives a potential re-ordering those four it changes the dynamic.

    And, if one perceives a substitution rather than re-ordering, the dynamic changes even more (but not quite as much as eliminating entirely one or two of the four….not that I’m recommending that, but…. ).

  6. In a roundabout way Joe Huffman says vote Trump or he’ll shoot you.

    How quickly Trumpies overlook the jury box. Oh well, they’re always dodging jury duty anyway.

    Then there’s Joe Huffman’s omission of the soap box. No surprise there either. Remember the thousands of Trumpies in major US cities who turned out this past weekend to rally in public and make speeches supporting Orange Man? Neither do I.

    • In a very direct way, you demonstrate poor reading comprehension and/or a vivid imagination with a tenuous connection to reality.

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