The “you” was generic. If anyone thinks they need a gun for ordinary daily living then that’s the very definition of paranoia. You’re wrong, I don’t want to ban a specific type of rifle, I want all guns banned for the general public. Fewer guns, fewer gun incidents. Simple logic
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I like being paranoid, It’s the one condition all my other schizophrenic personalities can agree on.
Nothing wrong with paranoia. When there’s communists about. And when they feel comfortable enough to stand before god and the world and say; “3.5 trillion won’t cost anything.”
Could all the horrors of past communist regimes be just as easily passed off in our country?
If Misters Hogg-n Dog think me packing a gun around is a problem in the face of all that’s going on? Their really not going to like having people with guns telling them what to do. Like, “Yes, yes, now please face wall.” Or. “You might be correct, move up ramp to cattle car, please.”
It appears that with the vaccine mandate. The communists are killing off the useful idiots already. So, can the rest be far behind?
Paranoia at its finest!
I’ve probably seen far more of your country than you have and in all my travels have never felt the need of a gun.
I’ve been met with friendliness, kindness and warmth from everyone but never hostility.
Why are you so suspicious of your fellow citizens/government?
Why are you defending the idiotic 2A that allows on average 30,000 to be killed every year by guns that can be bought as easily as a pound of sugar.
A country that has to have “active shooter drill” in schools has a very serious problem.
“We do not distrust each other because we are armed; we are armed because we distrust each other.”
What a sad statement.
But you didn’t say I was wrong. 🙂
From my standpoint you are totally wrong.
Happily I trust my fellow citizens as I know my chances of being attacked are phenomenally low and as to being shot those chances are exponentially smaller as I can guarantee that no-one around me has a gun.
Fewer guns, fewer gun incidents.
Thankfully my government thinks my society needs protecting as far as they can.
Obviously all violent crime will never be stopped but if we can eliminate as much as we can everyone is happier, apart from from those that don’t care if their neighbours or the local schoolchildren are peppered with bullets which unhappily happens far far too often in the US.
Hey Doggy. Did you really just write that truck load of crap with a straight face?
SJW always lie, project, and double down. And you hit all three inside of 50 words!
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
Yeah. My head needs to dial it down a half notch or so. I have been out in the woods hiking for a couple days without good Internet so I haven’t been able to contribute as much as I would have liked.
One way to avoid insults and sometimes actually make progress is to keep it about numbers (principles or legal cases sometimes works too).
Pigdowndog, please investigate how people have been murdered by their own governments in Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America. Compare those numbers to North America in the 20th Century. Now look for correlation to private gun ownership rates in each location.
Please report back to us.
He also forgot to look at where gun violence happens, as well as the demographic committing it.
Also forgetting that if he wanted to save people from violence he might go after the 600 abortions committed at Planned Parenthood daily? That dwarves gun numbers totally.
Methinks he’s not much interested in a factual discussion in the first place?
And on a good note; You get your elk?
We weren’t elk hunting. Just hiking in the hills around Lake Pend Oreille, showed her my new gun range, and visited with some family.
We drove 1090 miles over four days. Got a lot of stuff done (such as getting the Boomershoot web cam up and running again) and had a good time.
Are you seriously equating abortion with gun violence?
One is woman’s autonomy over her own body. the other is total madness.
Last time I checked your government wasn’t threatening your way of life.
Admittedly the previous president was bat shit crazy but the electorate wisely got rid of him.
Even if they were “threatening” do you honestly think you would stand a chance against the most powerful force on Earth?
Just more evidence of paranoia!!
WOW! What color is the sky in your universe?
This is part of why I asked you to stick to numbers. We would have quickly come to the conclusion that you are not really in touch with the universe as we know it. In my universe you don’t have look at the numbers very long before you realize the folly of your statement. And if you don’t really understand numbers (as is the case with nearly all anti-gun people) apparently you haven’t heard of a 20 year conflict between the Taliban and the U.S. military either. I must therefore conclude you are not really connected to our reality.
Here is a hint: What does the tank fire it’s cannon (or the drone fire it’s missile, the bomber drop it’s bomb, etc.) when a politician giving a speech in the park falls to the ground with the side of his removed and the remaining half shell of his skull is empty? The crowd heard nothing but an odd “SNAP” and the politician was dead before his body even began to fall. It was a shot from suppressed high powered rifle a half mile away. The bullet took over 1.5 seconds to traverse the half mile. The shooter has folded up the bipod and is about to put the rifle in an empty golf bag before the politician has finished crumpling to the ground. Because the rifle is suppressed the approximate direction is unknown until the body is examined. The range will be unknown until investigators find evidence, if any, of powder residue on at the shooters location.
Do a little research on people like Christopher Dorner or The Beltway Snipers. Those were people who contacted the police and nearly completely consumed the local law enforcement resources and still continued to operate two to three weeks. The murder clearance rate in the U.S. is about 55%. Most of those are where the bad guy is known by the victim and the bad guy isn’t especially smart. What happens with the bad guy is smarter? The FBI believes they know who murdered a Federal Prosecutor. They think it was someone he prosecuted. But after investigating, full time, for 20 years they still can’t prove it.
Now imagine you have just 10,000 people out of the 5 million NRA members (or 150+ million gun owners) with no direct relationship to the “public servants” attempting to a implement a new “Final Solution” to the gun owner problem? These aren’t high school dropouts. Many are college graduates. Many are current or former military. Many are current or former law enforcement. Many are computer programmers, engineers, doctors, chemists, heavy equipment operators, truck drivers and construction professionals. They have experience solving problems in logistics, physics, information, and implementing solutions that work in a timely manner. The FBI spent 20 years investigating essentially one suspect and can’t prove it was him? What are they going to do when 100 high level politicians drop dead, have their houses burst into flames, or their cars blow up within a couple months? And the 1000s of Federal buildings, cars, and trucks that are destroyed or severally damaged?
Tell me again how the bombers, tanks, and drones make a difference. Or, probably more easily, tell me what color the sky is in your universe and acknowledge you live in a different reality than we do.
I’m I equating abortion to gun violence? No. Gun violence can be used in a defensive manner.
Where abortion is straight up murder. Especially when one considers that their are no un-wanted children. (check adoption rolls).
Just un-wanted pregnancies.
A woman has a right to not get pregnant. Once she does, it’s a proven fact that it’s another human.
Do you find it ironic that you would remove the most effective tools woman ever possessed for keeping it, my body, my choice?
“The last time you check the government wasn’t threating my lifestyle”.
Like I said; not very observant are you?
You and Joe Biden are advocating that the government remove my guns, weren’t you?
That going to change lifestyles. And not just mine.
As for fighting powerful forces. American gun owners are the largest and most powerful army on the face of the planet. And only a communist moron would think they could win against them.
Does it occur to you that by your own standards you lost this discussion by starting it with slander. And ending it with slander?
Mr. Pigdowndog. You started the conversion by calling me a Paranoid. With the implications there was something mentally wrong with me. And people like me.
You have reinforced that slander several times.
However well travelled you claim to be sir. You are not very observant.
And where ever your from is not here. Your stereo typing, one size fits all conclusions smacks of the educated ignorance. The arrogance of which history has watched destroy much more than it’s ever created.
Good day sir.
“I’m I equating abortion to gun violence? ”
You obviously are or else you wouldn’t have mentioned it.
Murder is the killing of another person, “person” being the operative word.
A foetus is not a person, it’s a clump of cells that relies on the woman’s body for
That woman has every right to control what happens to her own body without interference from a third party other than medical advice and especially not from anyone that has a different set of genitals attached to their body or anyone spouting religious nonsense to object.
“A woman has a right to not get pregnant. ”
I hate to break the news but contraception is not totally 100% safe.
“Like I said; not very observant are you?”
Irony at its finest!
You might want to check the other comments that will reveal the irony of you assuming details about me.
One thing I’ve learnt over the years is that many uninformed citizens of the US don’t have a clue when it comes to the difference between Communism and Socialism and you fit in that category.
Education is a wonderful thing, why not give it a try?
“You and Joe Biden are advocating that the government remove my guns, weren’t you?
That going to change lifestyles.”
It certainly would, for the better.
Just think about far far fewer people losing their lives, including schoolchildren.
An average of 35,000 individuals not dying unnecessarily every year.
Schools not having to have “active shooter drill” an obscenity in a so called civilised country.
I simply can’t get my head around why an ordinary person living an ordinary life requires firearms to salve their paranoia.
It’s total lunacy
Happily where I live we don’t.
(Check the details before assuming)
Please break that 35,000 down into suicides, justified homicides, murders, and accidents. Then we can talk about lunacy.
Well Pig. I was equating your desire to save lives, abortion vs. gun violence, to be the hypocrisy that it is.
Just like calling someone a “paranoid”, aka mental problem. aka. Slander. Then saying they lost the argument by slandering you?
Just like you saying no one is wanting to change my lifestyle. Except for the change you think, (I’m using that word pretty loosely in your case.) Better. My guns only hurt criminals. So what’s the problem?
Just like socialism turns into communism, then into some kind of absolutism by one your more morons whom always want to live in denial their truly just hypocrites.
True mental superiority or not.
And the FACT that you see none of the faults in yourself. That you so quickly point out in others. Is why you can’t bring a reasoned argument against us.
We’ve dealt with your brainwashed propaganda all our lives. It ain’t work’in.
So what next. Gonna send men with guns to force me to give mine up? (You know you want to.)
“When debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
You welcomed yourself into this community by calling people you disagree with as ‘gun fondlers’. No?
Please share with us your enlightened and noble country that has your best interests at heart.
“Well Pig. ”
“I was equating your desire to save lives, abortion vs. gun violence, to be the hypocrisy that it is.”
A foetus is a potential life not a sentient being so the equation is irrelevant.
“Just like calling someone a “paranoid”, aka mental problem. ”
Irrational distrust or suspicion of others which you seem guilty of.
“My guns only hurt criminals. ”
No sane person likes criminals but your solution seems to be that all crime deserves death.
I call that paranoia.
“Just like socialism turns into communism”
No it doesn’t.
Democratic Socialism is not Communism and works well in a lot of countries.
“And the FACT that you see none of the faults in yourself.
Can you point out where I’ve said I’m faultless?
All I’ve argued for is the control of guns.
I know I have many faults but worrying about being attacked at any moment isn’t one of them.
“So what next. Gonna send men with guns to force me to give mine up? (You know you want to.)”
Don’t project your solutions on to me.
I would like to see your ridiculous 2A updated.
There’s a clue in the word “amendment”.
The only thing I’ll concede is that the US is probably a lost cause as there are too many guns in the hands of ordinary people and it would take a quantum leap in attitudes to make changes.
We did it where I live without the world collapsing around our ears and guess what?
Gun violence is relatively rare, not unknown but not in the same galaxy as America.
Fewer guns, fewer gun incidents.
You know it makes sense.
Either they do not understand what would happen if the government tried to take Americans guns or they do and view murdering millions of Americans as a positive thing.
Considering they literally hate everyone not them and want everyone not them dead and actually view the deployment of nuclear weapons to achieve that goal as an acceptable course of action I think it is the latter.
Murdering millions of gun-owning Americans is worth it, if it saves just one life.
To the left the complete and total mandated extermination of every single solitary gun owner, every single solitary person that lives with that gun owner that opposes there family members being killed at the hands of the state along with the mandated complete and total literal extermination of the entire United States population that oppose that along with whomever is left that opposes the government mandated extermination of every gun owner and non gun owner even if it means the literal complete and total extermination of literally ever single sokitarr United States citizen states citizen, literally every single human being in the United States except themselves and illegals. To them that is an acceptable course of action to take to bring about utopia.
One has to understand the left and the democrat party RIGHT NOW only wants one thing: the literal complete and total extermination of the entire United States population that opposes or resist them or is not them in any way shape or form up to and including the literal killing off of every human being in the United States except for themselves and illegals. What they desire Is to have the United States population literally replaced by illegal immigrants and the killing off of the entire population of the United States to make room.
Of course the criminals, by definition, will always be armed even if it’s illegal (criminals break the laws, you know), and so we’re only talking about whether the law-abiding may be armed as well.
“If anyone thinks they need a gun for ordinary daily living then that’s the very definition of paranoia.”
Each year, millions of people have to defend themselves against violent attacks. Aks them if they’d rather have been disarmed beforehand.
Here is just one YouTube channel, showing hundreds upon hundreds of actual violent encounters recorded on security cameras and police badge cams. They post a new one every day;
Take away all of those defenders’ guns and how many of them would you be, essentially, murdering by way of taking away their best means of defense and thereby violating their constitutionally enumerated right to keep and bear arms? And how much would be encouraging violent criminals by handing over to them a disarmed population to prey upon?
But none of these kinds of cause and effect arguments even address the issue of who your life, or my life, belongs to. Are we all property of the government, or are we individuals possessing a God-given right to live our own lives? Is government our servant or our master? De we have individual freedom of conscience or are we essentially cattle being raised by some superior beings in government? Who has the right to tell me whether I may possess a weapon for any reason, and what higher power gave them that right? And, once such a right to tell others what to do, what not to do, and what to posses and what not to posses, is presumed by a mere mortal, what as-yet unheard of person or group of persons will never abuse such power?
Does anyone in power within government ever lie, or manipulate others for their own personal benefit, or scheme behind the scenes to benefit themselves and their cronies, or otherwise abuse power? Hmm? And so you want them to have a legal monopoly on the use of deadly force? What does history tell us about such powerful governments? Hmm? Or does the history of the world, in and of itself, constitute “paranoia”? So, Pigdowndog, by “Paranoia” it looks as though you really mean “reality”?
Also, no, I don’t need a gun for “every day living” because violent attacks don’t happen to me every day. They do happen to other people every day though. Lots of them. When my sister was murdered in her own home by a home invader, she only needed a gun that one particular day. But she lived in California where gun owners are stigmatized, and so she didn’t have one, and so she was stabbed to death and her three year old daughter was strangled to death using a shoestring.
If there had been a “gun incident” that day, then my sister and her daughter would have lived and the perp would have been shot. But instead there was a knife and shoestring incident and a young mother and her daughter died.
Some people want to protect and encourage such criminals by making sure their victims are all disarmed. NO ONE, of any title, position or station, has a moral right to do that!
I am really sorry that you lost your sister and niece in such a cruel way. You can bet that Mr. Pigdowndog (not sure I even want to know where that moniker comes from) has never had such violence disrupt his life. There just has to be something between his and other liberals ears that has become totally nonfunctional. I cannot conceive of anyone believing they are rational when they reject another person’s right to self defense unless they suffer from some form of mental impairment. Well, either that or they are simply evil and wish harm on otherwise innocent people.
That is a sad story. Unfortunately, it is not unusual.
Another incident vaguely like it that, through simple good luck, ended better is described very well by Robert Avrech in his essay “Jew without a gun”. We should all read it and heed it.
The best summary of Mr. Pig’s position is this one: “Victim disarmament types are sick, sick people, who’d rather see a woman raped in an alley and strangled with her own pantyhose than see her with a gun in her hand.” — T. D. Melrose, quoted by Neil Smith
The gun isn’t there for the ordinary days, it’s there for the un-ordinary ones.
Hello gun fondlers.
I’m very grateful for Joe posting my tweet as it has confirmed my point about paranoia.
I’m so happy to live in a place where guns are controlled (mostly) and the statistics of gun related incidents aren’t in the same stratosphere as yours.
How’s the violent crime rate?
I live in NH. The nightly news from Boston MA reports shootings and stabbings nightly in Boston, a hard core gun control area. Meanwhile, in the Constitutional Carry state of NH we’re safe, with murders known but quite rare.
Pig down dog:
Travel to downtown Chicago lately?
How about San Francisco where Walgreens has shuttered five locations because stealing less than $1,000 dollars is not a crime that the ‘enlightened’ Chesa Boudin-The corrupt DA, thinks ought to be punished.
Did you visit Minneapolis during the rioting to promote St. George’s day?
How was your trip to downtown Portland?
Are you banking on the police to protect you? They are being marginalized and forced into a position that they don’t have the support of politicians. That’s going to end well.
Have you dared attend a lecture by anyone with a viewpoint other than your own?
Of course not, because you only want to disarm your enemies to protect them. Right?
Your response just reeks of paranoia!
Why are you quoting just the seedy side of life?
The vast majority of life goes on without incident.
There’s always going to be crime and criminals but the answer isn’t an armed society.
We have criminals where I live but we don’t feel the need of a gun, even our police aren’t routinely armed, consequently criminals have no need to arm themselves either (mostly) as they don’t run the risk of being shot.
For goodness sake stop looking over your shoulder for perceived attackers and enjoy life.
Oh, ok, so you’re not an American. Now we understand.
The fact that criminals are unarmed doesn’t make them harmless. It’s easy for a strong young male to kill a victim with just fists, or simply by knocking the victim down head first onto a hard pavement. Insisting on victim disarmament simply amounts to insisting that the weak and old and female must be at the mercy of the strong and young and male. That’s ableist, sexist, ageist nonsense.
See pkoning. Ms. Piggy is a brainwashed commie SJW, thinking his gamma-tude about paranoia is the last word in the matter.
It’s sad how logic and facts no longer have an effect.
Best to say, run along little piggy. Go get vaccinated. And try doubling-down on that. Please.
Calling us paranoid would only work if we hadn’t already considered the source.
Pig down dog:
“Why are you quoting just the seedy side of life?”
Maybe because millions of my fellow Americans live this life every day. I have the privilege of living where I want(What a middle class salary dictates anyway).
“For goodness sake stop looking over your shoulder for perceived attackers and just enjoy life.”
‘For goodness sake stop looking over your shoulder for law abiding, armed people you see as perceived attackers and just enjoy life.’
I’m willing to let you live in peace, yet, will will not allow me the same.
I guess the real question is, PDD; We know your not from here. Or live here. But how many times did you vote in our last election?
My best guess is they are in the U.K. somewhere southwest of London.
The number of votes they cast in our last election is a tougher question to answer.
You mean the UK, where a defenseless MP was murdered just days ago by a knife wielding religious fanatic?
And that’s with knife control in England.
There is no knife control in the UK apart from an age limit to buying them which is wholly sensible.
You’re right about the murder of an M.P. being tragic but that doesn’t mean that he should have been armed.
Even if he was do you think he would have had a chance to reach for the gun before the knife struck?
It’s real life, not Hollywood.
Thankfully those horrendous events are rare over here unlike over there.
I still would like to know what color the sky is in your universe. It’s very clear we do not live in the same reality. In my universe U.K. law states:
The list of banned knives is long and includes batons and blowpipes.
You conveniently left out;
“carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long”
“use any knife in a threatening way”
“Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in public without good reason.”
All sensible sanctions as our knife crime is far too prevalent.
Your gun crime also is far too prevalent but your government just turns a blind eye to the consequences of allowing anyone to possess a killing machine.
I’m more than happy that we have protections in place that attempt to solve the problem rather than allow the carnage to carry on regardless of the outcome.
That is until another group of Nazis show up like they did in the 1940’s. Then you’all be whining for American gun owners to come save your asses for a third time.
Or for you it will be Is-lame.
How many thousands of years did your islands get lorded over by someone or another’s sword? And you still don’t get it.
Now I know why god keeps you there. And gives the rest of us freedom. As Jack Nicholson said. YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Enjoy while you can. Your ideas ALWAYS breed monsters with boxcar rides for the weak and stupid.. It’s just a matter of time.
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