It’s official: You can’t protect yourself. Not even a blameless ex-Marine could defend himself from being choked to death. The D.A. will call in a “special” prosecutor to throw you to the wolves, and they’ll both be praised for railroading an innocent man in the Omaha World Herald, while the national media defame you.
Innocent Until Proven Trump Supporter
September 23, 2020
Via ParaLarry @ParaLarry
[These district attorneys as well as those attacking Rittenhouse, need to be prosecuted.—Joe]
How did someone put it? The prosecution IS the punishment? One can only marvel that so many can just ignore that amount of evidence. And think they can get a conviction?
Or worse yet. Where are we as a nation? Somehow the term Banana Republic doesn’t quite cover it anymore.
I guess it fits though. As these people call themselves progressives. While pushing a 150 year old failed ideology! Then the real question becomes. What’s it going to take to get them to go away? Because one sure can’t live with them. Not with that sense of right, wrong, and justice.
That’s why it is called “lawfare”. When the process is the punishment. Unless you are lucky enough to get good pro bono representation like Kyle did, you are going to be paying through the nose to get good legal representation.
I remember this fight when I divorced my first wife. I was paying all the household bills, plus I was paying her child support even though she didn’t legally have the children, I was paying for all of the experts that evaluated us, and I was paying for my lawyer.
She was paying nothing because as a “victim” she got free legal representation from a very good lawyer.
My divorce cost way north of $15,000. It cost her nothing, and every time she or her lawyer got another extension, it cost me a thousand dollars.
That’s NOTHING compared to what it costs in a criminal trial. Those lawyers rack up more than $500/hour and it isn’t uncommon for a firm to be billing you for partner’s time, the two or three lawyers that are working your case and a few paralegals doing work. For an hour of the team’s time you can end up paying two or three thousand dollars and I could well be low on that number.
Take a look at OJ. Whether you believe he was guilty or not, at the end of the criminal trial he had lost almost everything of value. The prosecution was the punishment.
By the time the civil suit hit, he didn’t have the resources to fight and he lost that case and lost what little he had left.
There is a lot of copyright infringement that happens in the world of pornography. There is a lawyer that buys the copyright on old video’s for pennies then sends out threatening letters to people that have downloaded those films. So a video that when it was first released would have cost $10 to download this guy says is worth hundreds of dollars and the guy is stuck between paying a few thousand to this scum or four times as much to a lawyer that can easily defeat the accusation. But in the mean time the scum is telling everybody that you are a porn addict.
The prosecution is the punishment, the accusation is the punishment.
Yep, just the threat of prosecution itself has a chilling effect on your exercise of a right. That’s especially true in a state like WA.
Years ago, I was involved in a defensive situation in WA where I chose not to shoot. Perp turned out to be unarmed, but he went for my weapon (which I retained throughout the struggle), and since I could not get to the phone (another brief struggle) I saw an opening to retreat through the alley to a neighbor’s where I called the police who took care of it from there. He put up a pretty good fight for them too. Apparently the perp was pretty drunk.
In the aftermath, the DA told me directly that it would not have gone well for me if I had fired.
What is going to take to get them to go away is being in a separate country. Consider that Canada is a Leftist paradise (sorry Alberta) but they are no threat to us simply because they are not able to control our laws and politics.
Yes, they need to be prosecuted but according to a 2015 article in the NYT:
“The federal government has not in recent memory pursued a judge under Section 242, and it has only rarely enforced this law against prosecutors.”
Has this changed? And who is responsible for prosecuting wayward justice officials? Are there any cases for violation of the 2nd Amendment or self-defense rights?
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/opinion/how-to-prosecute-abusive-prosecutors.html. Note that this article just focuses on liberal causes.
The “special prosecutor” along with all the other complicit animals responsible for this travesty will NEVER face “justice” in the courts for the very simple reason that we DO NOT have a ‘justice system’. We have a LEGAL system…..one that THEY control. If justice is to be served it will happen to them at night, one at a time and with a permanent outcome. Tar and feathers should also be brought back from it’s place in the past.
Absolutely! Legal system is exactly it. Goes hand in hand with law enforcement. Instead of peace officers.
After Kyle’s incident, I started thinking about getting concealed carry insurance and was shocked (actually extremely irritated rather than surprised) to find out I couldn’t purchase it in Washington State. The justification is that it’s insurance for “criminal behavior”. Well it’s good to have clarity in what they think or your specially enumerated rights. I would definitely place that in the chilling effects category. I love this state geographically, but politically it’s spiraling and has been for a long time. Is anyone aware of any lawsuits addressing this specific issue?
Washington law has a feature that is a bit unusual. If you defend yourself or others, are charged, and then found “not guilty by reason of self-defense” then Washington State “shall reimburse the defendant for all reasonable costs, including loss of time, legal fees incurred, and other expenses involved in his or her defense”. In my mind this eliminates the need for concealed carry insurance while you are in Washington State. You may need to convince an unfriendly judge and/or jury. But it’s probably as good or better than insurance which wouldn’t pay unless you were found not guilty as well.
That would work, provided it can be enforced — somehow I have my doubts — and provided you don’t go broke before you can win the case.
I have heard of numerous cases where they paid out. I have not heard of a case where it was refused.
Going broke before the case is won is a concern with insurance as well.
They definitely will not pay if you are convicted. Since they know they are unlikely to get their money back if they paid on a losing case they don’t pay until you win.
Well that law is encouraging at least until they decide to repeal it. The insurance I was looking at (CCW Safe) isn’t really “insurance” and seems to pay everything upfront if they take the case, which is decided based on if you were following applicable laws (legal gun, legal place, valid permit, not intoxicated, not the attacker, etc.) even if you loose, and they handle the appeals.
Interesting! I have not investigated all varieties of insurance, but the one’s which I had required you to win your case before getting a pay out.