Quote of the Day
Libertarianism is a poison that’s crept into our society on the backs of rightwing billionaires like the late Libertarian David Koch, who ran for Vice President in 1980 on a platform of shutting down every government agency except the military, courts, and police.
Thom Hartmann
September 29, 2024
The ideology that made Mark Zuckerberg rich is now his politics — and it’s terrifying | Opinion (msn.com)
I find it interesting he does not suggest a system he believes to be better. Or in the famous works of Thomas Sowell:
- Compared to what?
- At what cost?
- What hard evidence do you have?
Communism and socialism are well known crimes against humanity (thank you MTHead). And it seems he overlooked the founding documents of the U.S. are a pretty good match for Libertarianism, and we did okay with that for several decades.
It appears to me that Hartmann sees libertarianism as a threat, and he has to lie and distort the facts about it to poison the discussion. This must be so his preferred political structure does not have to compete with the ideas of libertarians.
Just remember that those darned libertarians are dangerous:
They want to take over the government and then LEAVE YOU ALONE.
Exactly. Such scary stuff. It’s like you are being kicked out of prison. How will you know what to do if they stop making rules and telling you what to do.
These people really do believe they are oppressed by having to many choices.
I remember David Letterman saying: “How are you supposed to lose weight when there are 1500 types of cookies?”
The problem lies with the fact that many libertarians are more anarchist than libertarian.
There is a difference.
I used to have more sympathy when they had issues other than free weed. And nominating a VP candidate who openly supported Hillary. And being AWOL in the struggle against the Left.
Libertarian philosophy is all to the good. Severely limited government is what the founders enshrined in our Constitution and long abused 10th Amendment in particular. The problem is with the “politicians” who claim the Libertarian mantle. Their focus always seems to be legalizing licentiousness and immoral conduct, Instead of reducing the size and reach of the Federal Government back to something the founders might recognize. You automatically make yourselves unelectable when you choose legalizing pedophillia as a campaign plank.
“Libertarianism is a poison.”
It certainly can be. Just like every other power structure/social system humans build. They are all subject to being used by evil.
The problem lies in human sloth.
Evil must be hunted, just as evil is a hunter. What we refuse to do it, it will certainly do to us.
We never think evil would co-opt and become the hunters we hired to kill evil? Thus, we see police doing exactly what evil tells them too.
See what’s going on in NC? That’s evil hunting you. It’s a good time-fun and games for the government/evil.
Never a good time for the hunted.
Chose any system you want.
But can never get slothful in the war of good against evil. (Truly 5D chess.) Else you won’t have your system for long.
You’ve once again pointed out part of the genius of our founders. By severely limiting what the Federal government is legally allowed to do they prevented its being co-opted by many but not all interests and then being turned to serve those interests evil purposes as a tool to enrich themselves or destroy their enemies. If the Federal government were properly performing only those tasks allowed it in our original Constitution and Bill of Rights most of the evil the Federal Government conduct’s would be impossible
Yup, that’s what you’ll get when educated men are dedicated to something enough to argue about it for 11 years!
We need that same dedication. Or we will get whatever else we allow.
Neil Smith wrote a lot of novels exploring various aspects of this. One great one is his first, “The Probability Broach”. Another he co-wrote with Aaron Zelman, founder of JPFO: “Hope”. In that one, the President tells all Federal employees to write a document explaining why their job is authorized by the Constitution, and do nothing else until they have done so.
I read both of those.
The storylines are a little simplistic but still thought provoking.
Grover Cleveland once vetoed a flood relief bill for TX because he couldn’t find authorization in the Constitution. No other Democrat and no Republican at all has ever done this.
Didn’t Jefferson veto a national bank for the same reason?
Then again, he wrote a letter to a friend in which he pointed out that treaties need to be viewed the same as laws, i.e., constrained by the Constitution. That didn’t stop him from approving the Louisiana Purchase, even though he recognized there wasn’t any authority for it.
The problem with libertarianism is that THEY don’t want to leave YOUI alone. They will gang up and invade your countries, subvert your economy, outsource your jobs, and replace you, before enacting laws that require you to submit to them in they name of[blah blah blah]. Libertarianism can ONLY exist amid in large scale in a high-trust, relatively high-IQ and capable community. But with open borders, it will be invaded by grifters, highly tribal ingroup clans, thieves, and low-IQ parasites. It can’t last. It’s a cool ideal that can’t work. It’ll be replaced by Satanism, or small-“s” satanism, and collapse in a couple of generations.
Christian constitutional elective monarchy with limited powers, a tight budget, high tariffs, strict border-controls, and rigid prohibition on people of any other religions holding any positions of governmental, financial, cultural, educational, or primary physical infrastructure significance would be better.
Oh, and a strict limitation on who can vote for the monarch (sort of like the Doge of Venice), drawn from the productive, tax-paying men who have children by their wife (i.e., useful people who have skin in the long-term survival of the system via their posterity, rather than short-term profit-maxing / looting goals). Votes cast in person with ID and vetting on election day, counted live at their local precincts, election fraud an executable offence.
Yup, and coming to a town near you, with the blessings of Blackrock, UN, Chinese, And the occupation governing council of the former USA.
ZEROHEDGE;
by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Oct 05, 2024 – 06:55 AM
A blood-drenched, fiery horror scene played out in Haiti on Thursday, as a rampaging gang killed at least 70 people and injured 16 more. Mowed down by automatic weapons or choked to death by house-arson, the dead included three infants and 10 women, according to the UN’s human rights office.
“This heinous crime, perpetrated against defenseless women, men and children, is not only an attack on these victims, but on the entire Haitian nation.”
“The rampage by the notorious Gran Grif gang targeted property as well, with the perpetrators setting fire to 45 houses and 34 vehicles. The gang’s leader, Luckson Elan, claimed responsibility for the murderous mayhem, and said it was an act of retaliation against civilians who refused to prevent police and vigilantes from killing members of the gang,”
In other words. Gang goes out on scouting/pillage missions. Farmers fight back.
Big gang comes to make an example of the farmers.
American version? Blackrock claims property under management after cleansing. Leases to the Chinese for food production.
Eve-ly-body happy!
Lest you think I was joking about a strictly Christian requirement for any position of significance, consider this in the ongoing FEMA mess WRT Hurricane Helene: https://gab.com/Lucas_Gage_/posts/113260828681001649
They don’t care about you, because you are not their people.
Just sayin’…..
“Yup, and coming to a town near you, with the blessings of Blackrock, UN, Chinese, And the occupation governing council of the former USA.”
Sorry, I thought I had that covered by stating;
“And the occupation governing council of the former USA.”
Just trying to keep my anti-zionist bent somewhat covert. I don’t know why, ain’t like I been brainwashed or something.
When I’m being accused of antisemitism these days.
My standard answer is;
Sorry, I’m confused. Are you using your race or your religion to hide your business model this time?
I like that. Good way to phrase it.
Libertarianism seems attractive, but in practice, the USA Libertarian Party seems to mostly care about drugs and porn.
Even nominated pro-gun control folks for President and VP.
Doesn’t matter if it’s socialism, liberalism, capitalism….whatever.
The REAL problem is these systems are run by PEOPLE. And it’s
the people who are the problem. It takes intelligence to self govern.
And we are not an intelligent species. Merely a clever one. Occasionally
an intelligent person comes along….but they are invariably shouted down
and squashed by the Marching Morons Cyril Kornbluth talks about in his book
of the same name.
Libertarianism as an idea and governing philosophy is fine, it’s the Libertarian Party that is an absolute dumpster fire.
A friend attended a Libertarian convention several years ago and came away shocked and disappointed. I’d tell you the story, but it could be the major party conventions are no different.
I think we should admit that Libertarianism (“the perfect law of liberty” – see James 1 and 2) is indeed a potent poison. It is a poison to the Romish Authoritarian system that they intend to bring back, this time to the entire world. The Jesuits have likewise described the King James Bible as “that poisonous asp” for the same reason; it threatens their system to have such ideas as freedom of conscience running amok in society, and therefore it is, for sure and for certain, a poison. It is THE poison that we need most in this world in order to clean out the demonic ideas of collectivism, Marxism, and its inseparable partner (and I say, creator), papal Rome.