Some Students Understand – Administration Still in the Dark

In spite of a lifetime of indoctrination to the contrary at public schools, some students are figuring out that being in a “gun free zone” can put you at risk.  Here in Moscow, pro rights students at the University of Idaho are making themselves heard.  This comes shortly after our socialist mayor, Nancy Cheney, tried to ban guns in “public places” and was told by the state attorney general to back off.  “Preemption” laws state that a local government may not enact gun laws that are more strict than state law.  Yet hear we have a state-funded institution with a gun free zone policy.  Go figure.

Virginia Tech is also a “no firearms” campus, but that didn’t stop Seung-Hui Cho from killing 32 people there April 16. Baker [one of the student protestors] said he doesn’t believe being able to carry concealed weapons would have prevented the tragedy, but that it would have minimized the number of innocent people killed. He said Cho didn’t obey the “no firearms” signs, and that can happen anywhere when lawful citizens are denied their right to self-defense.

How do you spell, “Duh!”?

“We’re not saying we need a mass arming of students,” … People are not going through these [permit approval] procedures so they can go out and commit robberies and rape.”

Does anyone else understand that a criminal isn’t going to bother getting a carry permit?

Lt. Paul Kwiatkowski, campus division commander for the Moscow Police Department, said while concealed weapons are legal with a permit, the university’s code of conduct is very clear about carrying them on campus and that this policy, if changed, would complicate issues of violence.

Yeah, it would complicate things very much indeed – for the criminal.  Nothing will spoil your day of fun, murdering people, worse than having someone shoot back at you.

“If an individual is carrying a concealed weapon, you shouldn’t see it,” he said. “They like to flash their guns and show everyone they’re carrying a gun.”

Really?  Carry permit holders like to “flash” their guns and “show everyone”?  Got any proof of that, Lieutenant?  I know a bunch of permit holders, and I’ve never once seen it happen that way.  If I’m not mistaken, Lieutenant, “flashing” you gun around, can even get your permit revoked.  One thing left out of this article is the fact that Idaho requires three hours of training before a carry permit is issued.  My experience is that most people get a lot more training than that, all on their own.  Anyone who cares enough to have done even rudimentary study of this issue will already know that concealed carry permit holders are THE most law-abiding segment of society – more so than police.  Furthermore, (and are you listening, Nancy Cheney?) the rates of innocent bystander injuries, and of improper shootings, are far lower when a concealed permit holder is involved in a confrontation, compared to when a policeman is involved.  Look it up.

If concealed weapons were allowed, Kwiatkowski said, and a shooter came on campus, while concealed weapons carriers could fire back, when police arrived they wouldn’t know who the shooter was.

This is one point that has some shred of legitimacy.  However, we were trained in my “pre-permit” classes to be very aware of this potential problem.  If you’re the citizen defender, and you’re the one calling the cops, make sure they have your description and that of the perp.  When police arrive, put your gun down if possible, and identify yourself, etc..  Cops:  You people need to have thought of these things, and know what to do ahead of time to protect the innocent.  Our right to protect ourselves does not depend on what you consider to be convenient.  For that matter, should we automatically assume that anyone in a cop uniform is actually a cop?  Mr. murderer can get a cop outfit at the local rental store.  Now he’s Deputy Freakin’ Dog.  Unfortunately for all of us, criminals don’t wear bright orange arm bands or some such, identifying themselves as criminals, either.

4 thoughts on “Some Students Understand – Administration Still in the Dark

  1. when police arrived they wouldn’t know who the shooter was.

    Hmmm… maybe the good guys are the ones that don’t shoot at the cops? Maybe it’s just me, but it seems that back in the 14th century when I was a young man, police didn’t open fire when they saw a gun in a person’s hand, or just saw a gun, or just imagined they saw a gun. It seems there used to be a requirement that the police were actually threatened with deadly force, not threatened with the suggestion that maybe a guy would possibly be snarky with them.

  2. Seems to me the Administration is ALWAYS in the dark. That it’s a core requirement for the job. Otherwise, what would the students have to push against?

    IWC, maybe it’s a GOOD thing that college campi are rank and rife with Marxists, leftists, and other vermin. Considering that for every opinion in an elder there is an equal and opposite opinion in a youth.

    Eh?

    M

  3. “Considering that for every opinion in an elder there is an equal and opposite opinion in a youth.”

    Interesting point, that.

    I would hope (and I can site no evidence) that verifiable truth in support of Liberty would at some point be more appealing. Maybe I’m dreaming. Truth and Liberty have, after all, been under constant attack for all time.

  4. It seems there used to be a requirement that the police were actually threatened with deadly force, not threatened with the suggestion that maybe a guy would possibly be snarky with them.

    Seems the standard is a little lower today.

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