The View From North Central Idaho

Imagine a tax on blacks with the proceeds going to the KKK. Or a tax on homosexuals with the requirement that the money be given via grants to organizations purporting to find a cure for homosexuality. Do you think maybe that might upset some people?

Well, yes. I think it's pretty clear that would upset a lot of people. And so it is with someone who claims Hunting taxes better spent on gun control:

The Reynolds Game Farm and the Department of Environmental Conservation cater to the most violent members of society - those who derive pleasure from killing helpless birds. Meanwhile, public tax dollars from the state's general fund are used to subsidize this atrocity.

The DEC and its animal-killing arm, known as the Bureau of Wildlife, should not be given what amounts to welfare payments just so the violent sport of recreational hunting can continue. Instead, the excise taxes affixed to the cost of weapons and ammunition should be spent on programs to fight gun violence, similar to the way a portion of the taxes on tobacco are used to promote anti-smoking campaigns.

Maybe it's not fair to compare it to taxes on blacks or homosexuals. Maybe a better analogy would be a tax on printing presses, radio and television stations, with the money going to censorship boards. Or taxes on churches with the money spent on evangelical atheist groups. Specific enumerated rights such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms are justifiably worthy of more protection than things like being a homosexual or black which doesn't affect as many people.

Hence, take all the perfectly valid outrage you have over the suggestion that blacks and homosexuals should be taxed to fund those that would see them exterminated and multiple it by about a factor of two to approximate my outrage at taxes on guns be used to restriction the specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms.

Or as Kevin on the Lewiston Pistol Club email list said, "When they take away my batleth, only criminals with have bathlets!"

Colorado Springs police are looking for a man who hit two 7-Eleven convenience stores early Wednesday, armed with a Klingon sword.

I say "medicine" but it applies to anything socialism touches. It's just that with medicine we have more vivid and frequent examples to chose from.

Via an email from friend Kris an escapee from Australia here in the U.S., Full hospitals turning patients away in Brisbane:

emergency rooms went into meltdown yesterday as major hospitals turned away patients because they were full.

Six hospitals around the city issued capacity alerts as a flood of high priority patients threatened to overwhelm services stretched to the limits, The Courier-Mail reports.

The chaos left stressed ambulance officers trying to care for people in their vans.

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"Today is out of control, our departments are in complete meltdown," the nurse said. "What is scary is that there is no good reason for it - it isn't a terribly hot day, it isn't flu season, there is no outbreak of disease, we just don't have enough resources."

Ambulance union spokesman Kroy Day said the lack of hospital resources meant it was "only a matter of time before someone dies in a van".

He warned that having multiple hospitals on capacity alerts meant paramedics could be left caring for patients in their vans for up to four hours.

"If this is what we are seeing on a mild summer's day, I hate to imagine the trouble we'll be in when flu season rolls around," he said.

When asked about the RBWH being on bypass, Health Minister Stephen Robertson blamed a record amount of elective surgery patients.

Kris reports, "Regular occurrence in Perth at certain times of the week, or whenever it gets too hot (it never gets too cold in Perth)."

In Britain this has been a complaint for many years. People wait in the emergency room for many hours before being seen by a doctor. The politicians then required the hospitals to report on how many hours people had to wait.  The hospitals then started refusing to let the ambulances bring the patients into the hospitals until they were ready for them. This improved the numbers because the clock didn't start ticking until the patient entered the door. The ambulances sometimes wait in the parking lot for hours with the engines running to provide temperature control. This not only threatens the life of the patient waiting for a doctor it also ties up the ambulance such that it can't transport another patient in need of immediate care.

The basics of the problem is that when the central committee (politicians) allocate resources rather than the free market they do a much poorer job. They are further from the problem that needs to be solved and cannot respond as quickly. In a free market someone realizes they can make a profit whenever the demand starts to exceed the supply and the most successful will meet the demand quickly and for the least total cost.

Via friend Jim, who spent some time in eastern block countries during the mid 80s, I heard reports of lines for bread, shoes, toothpaste, toilet paper,  and almost every common commodity you can think of. Another friend reported to me that light bulbs were rationed out to government offices and critical businesses. Hence people would bring in their burned out bulbs from their homes and swap them with the new ones in public buildings and businesses.

And the above doesn't even address the frosty stares I get from my physical therapist wife when I bring up more U.S. government involvement in health care. We already have too much government involvement in health care. Don't let the Obama administration give us ambulances waiting in the parking lot too.

In his opinion piece, Literacy test for gun ownership a threat to civil rights, Dave Workman (of Gun Week and SAF) explains how testing before you can exercise a right worked out for blacks a few decades back. The parallels to gun ownership should be useful in our public opinion campaign for gun rights.

I also like to bring up registration of Jews and/or homosexuals when someone suggests registration of gun owners.

Although some bloggers have occasionally flattered me by saying I first started this meme with my little talk at the first Gun Blogger Rendezvous I can't take the credit. As I pointed out in my 2005 post CCRKBA Blast Bigotry I first picked it up from Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman (the author of the opinion piece referenced above) in the late 90s.

However, in the present day I probably do push the meme more than almost anyone else. The response I get is similar to that for Just One Question; refusal to address the issue and a loud pronouncement of "That's ridiculous!" But Heller decision last spring makes the meme all the more powerful. The Supreme Court said the right to keep and bear arms is a specific enumerated right. And that is very powerful language. I puts the right to keep and bear arms on the same level as the most sacred rights in this country. What can the justification be to require government licensing, testing, and registration of other specific enumerated rights? Can freedom of speech and religion be licensed and only allowed to those that have registered with the government duplicate copies of their fingerprints and passed a test? Or can you only get a trial by a jury of your peers if you have a permit? Must you wait weeks, submit to training, and have your permit to have an abortion available to the general public via the public records system?

Jeff Soyer and Sebastian have their take on this opinion piece as well.

American and other foreign troops in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan are learning more than how to make IEDs and how effective they can be. They are learning by direct observation how a place works when the state disappears.

...

They will see statelessness as a field of opportunity where people who are clever and ruthless can rise fast and far. They look upon themselves as that kind of people. They will also have learned it is possible to fight the state, and how to do so. The effectiveness of IEDs is part of that lesson; so are the power and rewards that come to members of militias and gangs. In their own minds, and perhaps in reality, they will have found a new world in which they can hope to thrive.

William S. Lind
Director for the Center for Cultural Conservatism for the Free Congress Foundation.
February 3, 2009
On War #290: Blowback Revisited
[Via John Robb (be sure to read the comments).

Great. Just what we need. The economy is crashing and governments (Iceland and essentially Mexico) are falling so gangs and thugs start making things worse.--Joe]

Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign wants newly appointed Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) demonstrate she has "evolved" beyond being a NRA A-rated politician. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy is supporting him in this:

“She’s saying she realizes that she represents a statewide constituency,” said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. “One way she could prove she has evolved is to push this issue.”

Helmke said his group is seeking a meeting with Gillibrand to ask her to support legislation to require background checks on gun sales at gun shows, commonly referred to by activists as “closing the gun-show loophole.” A message left with Gillibrand’s office was not returned Tuesday afternoon.

I don't see Helmke or McCarthy calling on Senator Schumer to "evolve" to represent upstate New York gun owners. I guess "shared values" don't extend in the direction of supporting the U.S. Constitution.

Since "evolution" only goes in one direction in their minds just what is it they think of NRA members and politicians that support the specific enumerated right to keep and bear arms? Do they think we are chimpanzees or something?

Why doesn't don't they just come out and say it? Paul Helmke and the politicians who support him think gun owners are just a bunch of n***ers. If we can't be exterminated then we need to be regulated and kept in our place.

It's time for these bigots to arrested and charged with violation of 18 USC 241 and/or 242.

NOT!

Making a call to 911 with a story designed to get the local SWAT team to respond is not safe for anyone. Especially if I survive the call-out to my house and I find the guy who made the call.

From the article:

Doug Bates and his wife, Stacey, were in bed around 10 p.m., their 2-year-old daughters asleep in a nearby room. Suddenly they were shaken awake by the wail of police sirens and the rumble of a helicopter above their suburban Southern California home. A criminal must be on the loose, they thought.

Doug Bates got up to lock the doors and grabbed a knife. A beam from a flashlight hit him. He peeked into the backyard. A swarm of police, assault rifles drawn, ordered him out of the house. Bates emerged, frightened and with the knife in his hand, as his wife frantically dialed 911. They were handcuffed and ordered to the ground while officers stormed the house.

The scene of mayhem and carnage the officers expected was nowhere to be found. Neither the Bateses nor the officers knew that they were pawns in a dangerous game being played 1,200 miles away by a teenager bent on terrifying a random family of strangers.

They were victims of a new kind of telephone fraud that exploits a weakness in the way the 911 system handles calls from Internet-based phone services. The attacks — called "swatting" because armed police SWAT teams usually respond — are virtually unstoppable, and an Associated Press investigation found that budget-strapped 911 centers are essentially defenseless without an overhaul of their computer systems.

I'm thinking it's time to get rid of my land line.

From Alan Korwin:

I especially liked the roof-turret mounted, bullet-proof-camera equipped, fully remote controlled, drum fed, suppressed machine gun with 360-degree sweep and elevation control now available for law enforcement vehicles.

Fully mechanized roof-mounted machine gun for police vehicles.
It rotates, elevates and exterminates.

Just the sort of "Hope and Change" one might expect under a socialist regime.

I really need to do some more AP testing this weekend.

I received a forwarded email from Boomershoot participant Joey last night:

Rep. Alcee L. Hastings, D-Fla., has introduced to the House of Representatives a new bill, H.R. 645, calling for the secretary of homeland security to establish no fewer than six national emergency centers for corralling civilians on military installations.

The proposed bill, which has received little mainstream media attention, appears designed to create the type of detention center that those concerned about use of the military in domestic affairs fear could be used as concentration camps for political dissidents, such as occurred in Nazi Germany.

The bill also appears to expand the president's emergency power.

In a sense, this is true. But as pointed out in Liberal Fascism, in the U.S. Fascism comes with a smiley face. Here is some text from the bill:

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security

So, yes, these centers could be used as concentration camps ("other appropriate needs"). But it will be for your own good and the good of society if they actually use them. Shared values and all that you see.

Again, I will say this, it's not that the country has moved way left. That is not what has happened…. It's not a leftward movement. It's a forward, communitarian movement. Shared opportunities. Shared responsibilities. Shared values, including the most important of all: "Our differences are really interesting, and they make life in America much more interesting, but our common humanity matters more."

Bill Clinton
January 2008
Bill Clinton On Pragmatism (And Guns) In The Obama Era
["Communitarian, shared opportunities, shared responsibilities, shared values" isn't leftward? I'll tell you what my values are and let's see if these people can share them with me. I value individual rights. I value the right to purchase whatever arms I want, whenever I want, and from whoever I want. I value the right to be left alone to do whatever I want as long as I don't hurt anyone else or I do it with consenting adults. I value the right to privacy in my communication with others which includes all of my financial transactions (which makes a tax on income impossible to enforce). I value the right to chose my own health care providers (including the null set). I value the right to travel freely and anonymously. And that's just the start.

Now tell me what "shared values" we have. Mr. Clinton and his groupies just don't get it. Nearly everything they work toward, claiming "shared values" and "shared responsibilities" are diametrically opposed to my values, the principles this country was founded upon, and the constitution which he swore to defend. Why is this impeached, disbarred, lying piece of crap still given any credence in American life?--Joe]

Schumer and others are complaining that the new Senator from New York, Kirsten Gillibrand, doesn't represent all her constituents and her Gun Control Stance Upsets Many and predict they will be able to twist her arm into violating the Second Amendment:

"Now, as she begins representing the whole state, I look forward to working with her to help her gain a broader understanding of the problems affecting New York City so she can be an effective advocate for all New Yorkers."

...

During the press conference yesterday, Senator Schumer said he was sure Gillibrand's stance would "evolve" once she got to know downstate issues.

When I read that I read it as "down south" issues. Further translation comes out like the following.

Sure, we have a 13^th Amendment that prohibits slavery but that doesn't mean we can't have common-sense regulation of those n***ers. Just because up north they let them run around like they are just as good as anyone else doesn't mean that we have to let them walk around in public like they belong in polite society. Once Gillibrand gets a "broader understanding" of the situation I'm sure she be able to be an effective advocate for both the bigots and the n***ers.

From our friend in Israel;

Friends:

 

Considering the number of Kassam and Grad rockets and the increasing number of mortar rounds being fired into Israel by Hamas in Gaza, I'll keep the "Gaza War" group designation for a while longer.  As a practical matter Israel gained nothing but the world's condemnation for its recent attempt to stop the terrorist fire.

 

The election rhetoric here is twilight-zone material.  The folks in power speechify as if they were the party in opposition.  They cry about how much change there needs to be.  Hell you are the government.  You should have done long ago what you attack (who?) for not having done.  How dumb do you think the voters are?  Obviously you think they are even dumber than I think they are. 

 

GO STEELERS!

 

This happened some time ago. But the Washington Post has a very detailed story on what happened. If you like dogs bring lots of tissues to soak up some of the tears.

After all the emotion (I'm not saying this is a bad thing) is filtered out here are the nuggets I found interesting:

After the detective left, Cheye studied the document. There was nothing anywhere to indicate that Scarlata had asked the judge who signed it for permission to break his door down for a no-knock search. He hadn't presented the judge with evidence that anyone in the household was armed and dangerous. He'd basically said that police had intercepted a box of drugs addressed to Trinity, delivered the box and watched as it was taken inside.

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Americans have defended their right to privacy and the sanctity of their homes since Revolutionaries denounced British soldiers entering homes and businesses with impunity to search for contraband rum and tea and generate taxes for the British Crown. The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibits unreasonable government searches and seizures. But civil libertarians argue that this constitutional protection has been seriously eroded in recent decades, largely as an unintended consequence of the nation's war on drugs.

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He's read the court's decision in one 2006 case, Hudson v. Michigan, more than once. In Hudson, the court found that even when police make a clearly illegal no-knock raid, the evidence they seize can still be used against a defendant at trial.

"In other words, police can do what they did to us with impunity" Cheye concluded. "There are no consequences, not for them."

Thanks to reader Chet for the email pointing to this. He also asks:

Question to ponder: What is the proper defense against this sort of thing (other than getting rid of the war on drugs and the swat teams)?

I expect that if you grab a gun, you will likely be shot by overwhelming force. And you will be presumed guilty especially if they find cash, ammo, or other weapons on your property.

The gun trainers I know give the advice to say nothing, physically cooperate, and ease your anger thinking about what you are going to do with all the money you get from the lawsuit.

There are some people being pro-active by setting up sting operations where they have a house set up with lots of cameras and then turn on lots of lights to generate a abnormally high electric bill. When the cops show up with flash-bangs and guns blazing the cameras are rolling and they find nothing but public humiliation and a lawsuit waiting for them. The only thing I would add to that is that I would make sure the video was streaming to servers in other states and, where jurisdictions allowed it, I might be inclined to add a few of those "bad-guy" paper targets and some flash-bangs of my own to the mix.

In the face of an administration that undoubtedly only respects gun rights to the extent that its supporters have the political power to harm it, gun rights forces do need to keep their powder dry; perhaps even excessively stocked. Paranoids may not always have real and effective enemies, but in politics, as in life, paranoia can keep you safe.

Brian Doherty
January 30, 2009
The President Is Not a Gun Slinger: Why the 2nd Amendment is safe under President Obama—for now
[H/T to SayUncle. The way I look at it the only way you can have too many guns or an excess of ammo and explosives is if starts cutting into ability to shelter yourself or your supply of medicine, water, food, and sex.--Joe]

Kris probably won't think I'm young enough to be Scarlett O'Hara's father and Barb doesn't think I'm old enough.

But I assure you this is my daughter and it's obvious she is Scarlett.

Daughter Kim informed me the other day that the University of Idaho has nominated her for an "Outstanding Freshman" award.

Barb and I are very proud of her.

We already knew she was outstanding but it's nice to find out others think so too.

Last week I got a call from Nathan at Media Jungle. They make shows such as Adventures Abroad, Western Extreme, and Wild Encounters for Outdoor Channel.

Nathan wanted to confirm they will be welcome (well, DUH!) at Boomershoot 2009. I was rather distracted by some other stuff going on at my office at the moment and didn't catch the name of the show or the talking head. But they will be doing some autograph signing as well as filming and shooting.

The availability of position 43 will be enabled at 12:00 Noon Pacific time today. Sign up here if you think you are fast enough to grab it before someone else does.

Update: Gone in two minutes.

I am a witness in a still pending case, and I am being "leaned on." This is not the first time ATF has taken out vengeance during a court case.

Len Savage
Owner Historic Arms LLC
January 31, 2009
Gun trial witness: Feds out for 'vengeance' Government's action costing business thousands of dollars.
[Yup. Albert Kwan also comes to mind.--Joe]

My son Alex is part of a high school school trap shooting team.  They had a match this morning near Rosalia, Washington, which was attented by several high school teams from around the region.  Trap is quite popular in Eastern WA, as this is one of the best places in the country for pheasant and quail hunting, to say nothing of the excellent duck and goose hunting opportunities.  From the shooting lines today, we saw several hundred geese in the air.

Above; No, it isn't a crime scene or a network news story.  It depicts a fun event in which kids use guns and sharpen their skills on aerial targets, and so, by definition, it isn't "news".  The parking lot was packed with similar vehicles, open, loaded with guns and ammo.  Most people don't bother to lock their vehicles, me included.

Above; an appropriately named school district.

Above; Alex in full target-busting mode.  That's a decent hit-- lots of small fragments.  If you hit one full-on, it disappears in a cloud of dust.  Scoring is the same either way.  If you break a little piece off the target, it's a hit, same as a "duster".

A great time was had by all.  Everyone was super nice.  There were decent facilities for those who wanted to stay warm and there was free coffee and decent food at very reasonable prices.  This locally operated club range was equipped with four trap houses, meaning 20 kids can be on the shooting line at one time.

I'd guess there were about 80 shooters attending and about 150 to 200 people there in total-- Guns and ammo lying about everywhere, much like you'd find skis and poles sitting out on stands in front of a ski lodge.  Now if we were to take anything the anti gun-rights loons say with a shred of seriousness, we'd assume that all these kids would end up turning on each other in a bloddy shootout, as the stresses of competition became too much for them to handle, or something.  In fact, everyone was relaxed and friendly.  I will point out that, unlike a typical football game, there are no paramedics on standby at these events.  There would be no point in it.

Alex broke 26 of 50 targets, which isn't bad, but a really good shooter would have hit 50 of 50.  Today there was some gusting wind, so even a really good shooter might have missed one or two because the targets were jumping around a bit in the wind.  If you've ever thrown a Frisbee in the wind you what know what I mean.  These clay targets fly a lot like little Frisbees.

This summer, I talked to security experts on both sides of the political spectrum, and had several conversations with Chertoff, in an effort to answer the following question: Is DHS achieving its mission of making us safer? My reluctant conclusion is that, although Chertoff has performed impressively in an impossible job, the department is hard to justify with any rational analysis of costs and benefits. On the contrary, it's arguably one of the most expensive marketing ventures in political history--an enterprise that seeks to make us feel safer instead of actually making us safer. The best argument for DHS is that the illusion of safety may itself provide tangible psychological and economic benefits: If people feel less afraid, they may be more likely to fly on planes. But even if conceived on these terms--as a more-than-$40-billion-dollar-a-year pacifier--the department is hard to defend, since there's no good evidence that it has, in fact, calmed Americans down rather than making us more nervous.

Jeffery Rosen
December 24, 2008
Man-Made Disaster--Six years on, the Department of Homeland Security is still a catastrophe.
[$40 Billion a year pacifer? Yup. That sounds about right for government work.

H/T to Bruce Schneier.--Joe]

Sarah Brady
January, 2008
NRA ATTACKS BRADY MEMBERS IN NEW COURT PAPERS
[I find this interesting for a number of reasons.

1. I was only able to find this in one location on the net. I tried several different search engines and only one page has this information. Apparently it's an email sent to Brady donors. I thought I was on the Brady email list but perhaps those lists get purged of people that don't donate money occasionally.
2. I think it's great the NRA is attacking the Brady Campaign on their "grass roots" credentials. To the best of my knowledge they don't have a membership list, only a donor list.
3. They think concealed handguns put the public at risk and it appears they may be forced to show the data that proves that. Just One Question may have to be answered in court!

--Joe]

Ry sent me an email telling me about $99 1 TByte hard drives:

Don't know if you're in the market to upgrade (I'm not), but NewEgg is selling 1tb sata drives for $99 with free shipping.

this is the item:

 

use discount code: EMCABCKFC

Interesting. My first hard drive was a 10 MByte which I purchased in 1984. And the 1 TByte drives have been out for two years now.

Assuming the rate of data density increases at a constant rate we can compute when we will have drives of even more more mind boggling capacity.

10 TByte drives should be available in 4.6 years.
100 TByte drives should be available in 9.2 years.
1 PByte drives should be available in 13.8 years.
1 EByte drives should be available in 27.8 years.
1 ZByte drives should be available in 41.4 years.
1 YByte drives should be available in 55.2 years.

Of course using all the data is going to take a lot of computing horsepower. Like maybe a supercomputer.

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Someone with more money than they know what to do with is considering how to "solve the gun problem" in Milwaukee. I would have thought he could just take his gun to a good gunsmith or, since he has so much money, just buy a new gun. But that isn't what he has in mind:

His initial plan was to attack the problem at the source. Zilber wanted to target an infamous gun shop in the Milwaukee area with a pretty shocking record of being a place where too many legally purchased handguns eventually ended up in the hands of the bad guys.

So many of its guns fell into wrong hands, the place is more like a public nuisance than a legitimate business.

"I figured that if I bought the place and shut it down, that might eliminate the problem," said Zilber. But he realized that wasn't a viable solution; somebody would likely just open up another gun shop to serve the customers.

If it took more than a fraction of a second to come to this conclusion the clock speed on his CPU must be running way below 4.77 MHz (the original IBM PC clock rate). That the journalist even bothered to write it down shows his CPU is similarly handicapped. Further confirmation of this was another couple of paragraphs into the article:

Zilber chuckled when I mentioned comedian Chris Rock, who once said the key to gun control was making all guns free but charging an exorbitant amount - as high as $5,000 - for a single bullet.

That might make people think twice about firing a gun.

"That's pretty good," said Zilber. He didn't dismiss it out of hand. "You could buy an ammunition company and do it that way."

Sometimes, it takes bold thinking to pull off the impossible.

First off, he got the Chris Rock quote completely wrong. The point of Rock's comment was that if each bullet cost $5000 then you would be surround by people wanting to steal them. So if you fired the gun there wouldn't be innocent people that were shot.

Second, the buying of an ammunition company and shutting it down doesn't different from doing the same thing to a gun shop--which he already dismissed as an ineffective idea.

I can't figure these guys out. The only conclusion I can come up with is these people have some sort of mental problems.

Economics has been on a lot of people's minds recently. Microsoft had a lay-off last week--the first ever that was motivated by external economics. I know two other gun bloggers that also dodged "the axe" in the last couple of months. I've had people approach me wanting information on buying guns and bulk food in a similar manner as I did just before Y2K. Federal interest rates are effectively zero. That has never happened before in my lifetime. Another economic indicator that we are in unusual circumstances is the money supply, or as Kevin put it, It's Official: You May Now Panic. When you look at that graph note that the doubling of the money supply in the last year (yes that difficult to see spike is real, not just an artifact of the graphic) is unprecedented in the last 100 years. I attended a speech (if you want to call it that) by economist Paul Krugman yesterday--the auditorium was packed. The first hundred people or so received a free copy of his new book -- The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008. It's so new it is copyright 2009 and had to come directly from the printer. I have a copy in my hands now.

This blog post is mostly to capture my notes from listening to Krugman yesterday. I'm formulating a big blog post in my mind and hope to post it this weekend.

If in italics below it means it was a direct quotes (as best as I could capture).

• Not as bad as the 30s--yet.
• It is as bad as the early 80s.
• This isn't your fathers recession. This is your grandfathers recession.
• All of the 1st world is falling at approximately the same rate.
• The problem with the stimulus bill is that it isn't big enough.
• A trillion here and a trillion there and pretty soon you are talking about real money. A twist on Dirksen's quote which got a laugh.
• I'm not feeling panicky but uneasy.
• I thought I was intellectually prepared.
• It's a whole lot harder to head off a second great depression than we thought.
• The trouble with a big tax cut is that they aren't spent. Tax cuts are a very bad tool for this type of problem. See also this blog post by Krugman.
• Tax cuts made permanent won't work because we can't afford them.
• We should seize troubled assets, clean them up, and then sell them. Just take the hit. "We" meaning the U.S. government.
• There are no safe options. He was responding to a comment from someone about the risks of massive government spending--which Krugman is advocating. He is of the opinion that the stimulus package should be twice the size as the one proposed and passed yesterday.
• The thing I'm most worried about is Kindelberg's law: When given two options we will pursue both half-heartedly. I must have the spelling wrong on "Kindelberg". I can't find any such "law" on the net.

I've read the introduction and the first chapter of his new book. He says socialism is dead and it's obvious to everyone except a few extremists who have their heads in the sand. But in his talk yesterday he said that "universal health care" would be a good thing to spend some of the two trillion in government spending he is proposing. His attitude was that "universal health care" was obviously a good thing. You could tell from his tone and the words he used that it wasn't even open to debate with him. I have to wonder if maybe he is one of the extremists he was talking about in his book. See also Phil's post from day before yesterday.

This isn't your father's recession. This is your grandfather's recession.

Paul Krugman
January 29, 2009
Speaking to the Microsoft Political Action Committee in Redmond, Washington.
[I attended this presentation and I'll have more on his talk later. He is also an active blogger -- The Conscience of a Liberal.--Joe]