Monday, November 05, 2007

Utopia is not one of the available solutions to violence in our society. Only incremental improvements are attainable through repeal of victim disarmament laws and through implementation of effectual, affordable measures. Objective assessment of the risks and benefits of various proposals will assist development of rational and effectual public policy. Hysterical, ineffectual, unconstitutional, and merely symbolic measures only squander time, money, and energy that are better devoted to effectual solutions and realistic goals.

Edgar A. Suter MD
Guns in the Medical Literature -- A Failure of Peer Review
[Emphasis in the original. I have used this argument (utopia isn't an option) myself in a gun control debate against a communist. They didn't really seem to get it. They wanted to keep trying just as they want to keep trying new variations of Marxism; "All we need is to have the right people in government." I wish I had come back with, "Marxism and gun control was responsible for over 100 million dead last century. Do you want to donate your body to the next attempt at utopia?" --Joe]

Joe Huffman  Monday, November 05, 2007 9:42:24 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [4]  | 
 Sunday, November 04, 2007

These ads are unfair and deceptive because they suggest to the consumer that the purchase of a handgun is an effective means of providing for self- and family-protection without warning the consumer that the introduction of a handgun into the home actually places the home's occupants at an increased risk of death by gun.

Petition on Deceptive Gun Advertising
Filed with FTC by Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Public Health Association, American Association of Suicidology, American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and National Association of Children's Hospitals and Related Institutions
[[sarcasm] Therefore, one should conclude, people at police stations and gun ranges are at extreme risk of "death by gun". I wonder why the statistics don't show that? [/sarcasm] What the anti-gun people don't want to admit is that in the few "studies" that pretend to support their position correlation does not equal causation. And that most studies do not show the correlation they want to believe exists.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19:43 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Saturday, November 03, 2007

Interesting how the other side sees things:

The parallels of how conservatives turned the word "liberal" into a slur, much like gun proponents have turned "gun control" into a detestable concept, is worth considering. Staying on message and repeating it broadly is essential. It's one of the key reasons why gun extremists have been successful in blocking policies to prevent gun violence in most of the country, despite overwhelming public support for "gun control".

There is true political power when a movement can take away your opponents language and turn it against them, denigrate their legitimacy and values, and most importantly question their entire identity. Sounds familiar?

Several gun violence prevention organizations struggle with what to call themselves, and where to align their politics and strategy. What words should we use to identify ourselves: "gun safety", "gun control", "cease-fire", "anti-violence"?

There is strong debate between advocates about whether "gun control" is a losing terminology because it is sounds so negative and turns latent supporters off. But here is the dirty little secret: guns do in fact need to be "controlled".

On "gun safety" the NRA is the undisputed champ with 50,000 certified instructors that teach about 750,000 gun owners per year. How many people do all the anti-gun groups combined teach "gun safety" to? Washington Ceasefire had a student intern type that was going to be doing something along those lines but I never heard from them again after they gave a presentation I went to in about '98 or '99. So my guess is the number hovers right near zero.

In Washington State we took the steam out of Washington Ceasefire public appearances by showing up with Ceasefear (thank you Ray Carter for coming up with that name) signs and shirts (I'm a Ceasefear instructor).

The violence statistics after guns have been heavily restricted or banned put a lie to their claiming to be against violence.

The author above admits "gun control" sounds negative and turns off latent supporters but yet acknowledges that gun control is what they really want. Sort of like "White Supremacist" sounds bad but that in fact is their true objective.

I've got a name for them--they should identify themselves as Bigots for Gun Control.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:03:09 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [4]  | 

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Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:58:45 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

With a policy that tightly controls guns or bans them altogether, colleges and schools can ensure that the only people carrying guns are their security guards and the police. This is the way it has likely always been, and schools are safer because of it. For maximum safety and security, this is the way it should always be.

Brady Campaign
No Gun Left Behind
May 2007
[Evidence of these policies at work around the world are here and here. Some of the better known:

Maybe they are using a different definition of the word "ensure" than the one I am familiar with. Otherwise what they say makes no sense to me. But more likely they have mental problems and are unable to answer Just One Question.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:18:25 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 
 Friday, November 02, 2007

Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.

P.J. O'Rourke
[I was reminded of this after my officemate came back from a meeting over in building 33 last week. Hillary was in town trying to buy votes with promises of "rebuilding a strong and prosperous middle class" and gave her sales pitch to people Microsoft. I wasn't aware of the visit until after my officemate came back and gave me a report or I would have attended. If nothing else just to take some pictures.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Friday, November 02, 2007 6:32:45 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 
 Thursday, November 01, 2007

When I read stuff like this:

The gun lobby of course prefers to punish "criminals" who commit crimes or acts of violence, but gun proponents demonstrate no interest in preventing gun violence.

I can't help but think of things like:

  • We need to prevent slander by removing everyones vocal cords.
  • We need to prevent rape by castrating all men.
  • We need to prevent prostitution by putting chastity belts on all women.
  • We need to prevent child abuse by banning children.
  • We need to prevent bank robberies by taking all the money from banks.
  • We need to prevent car accidents by banning all cars.
  • And most importantly, we need to prevent gun violence by prosecuting government officials (violation of 18 USC 242) and others (violation of 18 USC 241) that conspire to take our guns.
Joe Huffman  Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:31:02 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [5]  | 

I believe that the shooting sports (unlike such stylishly sanitized designer pursuits as fly fishing for the 90s) serve as the politically incorrect metaphor for that most unpopular of citizens - the Classical Man (as opposed to the Modern Man). As such, when I am asked by one who fears and loathes firearms, why anyone would find fascination in weapons, my answer is, 'For the same reason that makes you afraid of such things'.

Jack Chleva
Jeff Cooper's Commentaries Vol. 6, No. 3, March 1998
[I didn't buy my first firearm until the Clinton's were elected. I read banned books and I buy banned firearms. I push the envelope because I think it's the required response. I push back because they started the pushing.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:11:01 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [7]  | 
 Wednesday, October 31, 2007

Tam points us to an excellent essay by Marko. Parts of his post reminded me of two quotes (previously posted here and here) from Greg Hamilton (founder and Chief Instructor at Insights):

Some police are advising people to just comply with a mugger/rapists demands in hopes of not getting hurt.  The next time someone does that I'm going up to him and start taking down his pants. When he asks what I doing I'm going to tell him I'm raping him and he should follow his own advice and submit so he doesn't get hurt.

Greg Hamilton
Self Defense Instructor
February 6, 1999

 

Think of the handgun as a behavior modifier.  If someone is threatening you, you can use the handgun to modify their behavior...

This is the universal hand signal for GO AWAY!  (Holds handgun in firing position.)

Ninety times out of a hundred it will work.  If not, then you may have to give them the universal hand signal for LIE DOWN!  (Holds handgun in firing position and repeatedly pulls trigger.)

Greg Hamilton
Self Defense Instructor
Nov. 19, 1995

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:30:17 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

From looking that this picture you might think it was my daughter Xenia that Tam was talking about. But that would be wrong.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:05:00 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [3]  | 

It's a pleasant fantasy but the people offering these sort of solutions either don't understand the problem or don't want to face reality. From one of our wonderful government laboratories:

Los Alamos Lab developing liquid scanner for airport security

Scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory are developing a new type of scanner that can distinguish liquids blaring out a warning for bad ones, like explosives, while letting through good ones, like water.

...

They will be able to scan bottles as big as a "magnum-sized champaign bottle," Espy said.

"Apparently the whole duty-free thing is suffering, and people can't carry their liquor on airplanes anymore," Espy said. "It's been disruptive to commerce. So, that's one of the benefits of this."

Software upgrades could add new liquids to the device's detection list if any new threats arise, she said.

"The nice thing about this system is it's not tuned to any specific threats," Espy said. "As new materials of concern arise, it can be adapted to detect those."

Even after the scanner is in place we still won't be able to take liquor on airplanes--unless they are going to allow ethanol on board. In which case I need to demonstrate how to make an "explosive" out of ethanol. It would be tough to get a true detonation but in the enclosed space of an airplane cabin it just won't matter whether the speed of propagation is greater than or less than the speed of sound.

And if they stop letting people take liquid hydrocarbons on board I'll demonstrate the same sort of thing is possible with bread flour, powdered sugar, or coffee creamer. And when they ban those let them build a scanner that is sensitive to powdered human hair.

And those ideas are all taking the direct "brute force" approach. There are lots of other, much more subtle, ways to defeat airport "security". TSA is backward for A Security Theater. It's time we considered the alternatives.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:54:28 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

My son, a freshman in high school, occasionally sends me e-mail from school, but due to a busy study schedule and extremely slow computers (it's a public school) they are rare.  Today's letter was notable.  Our complete exchange follows:

In the last period of the day, we had a study hall, and I had no homework. So, I decided to go on the boomershoot website and look at explosives. I also had the ultimak webpage open at the same time. I actually had a teacher come and tell me to find another subject!

To which I replied:

Sorry to hear that (actually, I read it but "sorry to read that" just doesn't have the same effect) but I'm certainly not surprised. Our popular culture has been effectively trained, like Pavlov's Dogs, to recoil (like the metaphor?) from anything that shows guns in a favorable light.

http://nobelprize.org/educational_games/medicine/pavlov/readmore.html

Racist bigots once behaved in exactly the same way toward blacks or other minorities-- back then you might have been looking at Martin Luther King Jr.'s writings while in a study hall in Alabama, and been told to read something else! We don't hear much from the racist bigots any more, because they tend to keep their mouths shut in polite company. Now we have anti-gun bigots instead, who feel no compunction and mouth off regularly.

On a side note; many have never learned (because this story doesn't fit the popular, leftist anti-gun action line) that during the civil rights struggle, many black leaders and religious figures joined the NRA and encouraged their black neighbors to arm themselves. As one would expect, violence against blacks tended to fall precipitously in those areas where such advice was taken.

Many would also be shocked (shocked, I tell you!) to learn that the KKK not only supported gun control (see above paragraph) but their political party of choice was the Democratic Party. No self-respecting KKK thug would ever vote for a Republican.

Give that to your social studies classes, et al, and let them chew on it for a while. They may hate it, but unlike much of what they say, they can look this up and verify it. Then you can explain that you were looking at your father's web site and the site for an event that you attend annually.

Now, keep up on your homework, be nice, and have fun! That's an order.

I've always had the policy of not "talking down" to my kids.  I use the same language I'd use in a conversation with an English professor.  If they don't understand something, they'll either ask me or they'll look it up.

Lyle at UltiMAK  Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:36:16 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Yes, my site was down for a while (as was Ry's). Our webhosting provider had to do some unscheduled maintaince.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:21:18 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate—and thus more lethal—than automatic fire.

Violence Policy Center
Bullet Hoses
2003
[Who would have thought? They would rather we had fully automatic firearms rather than those deadly semi-auto ones. It would follow they would rather we owned cheap, inaccurate, handguns (aka "Saturday Night Specials"). But that would require they think logically about the issues. People with Mental Problems have difficulty doing that so don't expect it anytime soon.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:14:29 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  | 
 Tuesday, October 30, 2007

[M]ost of the time our security runs on intuition and not on explicit thought.

Bruce Schneier
October 30, 2007
Security by Letterhead
[It's the same sort of thing with gun control. Intuitively it is appealing and "common sense" that if you can reduce the availability of the tools used by criminals you will reduce crime. We are at a disadvantage because to win the argument we need to get people to explicitly think about the issue. That's seldom easy.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:32:24 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Monday, October 29, 2007

If you know what you are doing you can know so much more about people than they would like you to know. For example, it appears Snuffy may have come visiting me this evening. My QOTD by him shows up in the top 10 when doing a Google search for "rev michael pfleger":

 

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Joe Huffman  Monday, October 29, 2007 10:56:12 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 

Some weeks ago, I had mentioned to Joe that I would like to get my NRA Trainer's certification.  There were classes offered over in Western Washington, and Joe offered to let me stay at his hardened, underground bunker, located beneath a non-descript building in an ordinary part of an obscure town in a crowded part of the state.  In the middle of getting some new gun products photographed, spec.ed, instructions written, and put on-line, I drove to Western Washington for some courses, created by the NRA, in Instructor Training, Basic Pistol instruction and Home Firearm Safety instruction.  That was three days of intense (for me) study, from 8:00 AM to after 6:00PM Friday and Saturday, and 8:00 to about 5:30 on Sunday.

The first exercise of the weekend involved demonstrating that we could show another person how to safely load and unload five different long-gun actions and three handgun actions (aced that--for me it was akin to asking a chef to demonstrate his ability to prepair scrambled eggs and dry toast, but enough bragging).  We then had to score at least 90% on four separate written exams and shoot at least 50% on a pistol qualification course—shooting from a distance of 25 yards at a nine-inch target, from three specific standing positions including one-handed.  Apparently, most pistol shooters don’t shoot much beyond 10 or 15 yards, but I was unaware of this, having tried my hand at 100 yards. 100 yards is a bit of a “hail Mary” exercise with a common handgun. At 25 yards you have to take your time and concentrate, but it is very much doable.  I’d have scored higher than my 63% if I’d either used my own guns or if I’d known in advance that their pistols were regulated for a “bull’s-eye” zero at 25 (sights held on the bottom of the round bull’s-eye to hit in the center of the bull's-eye-- ask me if you want to know why that's a great idea, which it is) because I was holding the sights on the center of the bull. Most of my misses therefore went high. Most of us in the class were “combat” shooters (they’d make fun of that by saying we were from the “Billy-Bob School of Running and Gunning”) and so we were a little bit unprepared for the slower, more relaxed, more skeletal-supported bull’s-eye style they use in the NRA basic pistol classes.

I passed everything with flying colors, except for the second written exam—I was completely unprepared to “study for the tests”.  I hadn’t been in college for almost 30 years.  I was listening intently to the instructor, and was confident of knowing everything he was talking about, plus I had already scored 96% (I think it was) on the first written exam.  Trouble was, I didn’t have the precise verbiage they wanted as answers on the second test—the Three Principles of this, and the Eight Steps of that, etc..  One instructor was impressed enough that he let me take the test over, which I passed with 100%.  The trouble with that, however, was it took time away from my studying the material for the other classes, so in spite of taking no time for anything but studying, eating and sleeping a little bit, I was behind the curve so to speak, for the whole weekend.  I was a hair trigger from bugging out on more than one occasion, but I am very glad I stuck it through.  As soon as I receive my official certification I’ll be qualified to teach NRA basic courses in Pistol and Home Firearm Safety.

Aside from being impressed by the quality of both the teachers and the students at Kenmore Range, there was a lot I never knew about the NRA, in spite of having been a member for years, and I gained a new respect for the organization.  It turns out they started for very much the same reasons Joe started the Boomershoot-- to increase the number of competent shooters for the times they may be required to defend life and Liberty.  The whole political persona we all know, came much later, and to this day is only a very small part of the NRA.  They are mostly a marksmanship advancement, training, and competitive shooting facilitator, having founded Camp Perry and a number of other excellent ranges, and developed a comprehensive and effective training program.

 

To you NRA phone solicitors and mailing program developers out there:  You really should spend more time talking to your perspective members about all the things, in addition to the political wing, the NRA does to promote American marksmanship.

 

The weekend was rough, but I highly recommend NRA Trainer education to anyone interested in teaching gun handling or shooting skills.  Thank you, Joe, for the use of the hardened bunker.  I could not have done so well without it, and the broadband pipe you provided also.

 

As an aside, I left my wallet and checkbook, everything, at a rest stop near Dusty, WA on my way to the West Side.  I didn't know about it until Joe informed me as I was entering the Seattle area.  It turns out that someone from the West Side was driving to Moscow, ID where I work, picked it up, called my place of work, and hand delivered it.  Sort of renews one's faith in Mankind, that does.  That person could have easily relieved me of many thousands of dollars, to say nothing of depriving me of 100% of my ID and other creds.

Lyle at UltiMAK  Monday, October 29, 2007 7:17:14 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [3]  | 

No, it's not my spud gun (but it has a nearly identical scope). It's Benjamin's rifle that he used to connect with 700 yard boomers. It's a great price for a good gun.

Update: I just got a call from Ben. The rifle is sold. The scope alone was worth the asking price for everything.

Joe Huffman  Monday, October 29, 2007 4:13:26 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 

...what we actually have before us is a confusion about the nature of rights. The NRA always couches its argument as a defense of our American rights as opposed to governmental control. But it is a reason why highways are engineered as well as they can be. The driver has the right to travel as safely as possible. Citizens of America should have as much of a right to safety from gun violence as possible. But they probably will not understand the issue until the talk takes up more space in our political life.

Stanley Crouch
October 29, 2007
Here's a bold proposal: Let's talk about gun control
[It's possible his first sentence is correct. As for the rest I think the chances are about 75% he is mistaken. The other 25% chance is that he really understands what a right is and is trying to confusion everyone else. Rights are not something granted or created by the government. If something is granted or created by the government then they are more properly called privileges. A right is something that preexists government. The only thing governments can do in regard to rights is protect them or infringe them. I would have made that 95% and 5% but he makes reference to "safety from gun violence". That indicates to me he might actually understand that reducing the availability of firearms doesn't reduce the total violence even if it sometimes does reduce the amount of violence committed with firearms. Further suspicion falls on him because he doesn't distinguish between criminal violence and justified and/or praiseworthy violence. The bottom line is Crouch should successfully answer Just One Question before he writes opinions about restricting the right to keep and bear arms.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Monday, October 29, 2007 6:07:06 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [3]  | 
 Sunday, October 28, 2007

You may have known UltiMak, CCI, and Speer made their home within a few miles of my Idaho home (UltiMak is nearly within slingshot range). Just a few miles from Boomershoot in Orofino you will find Nightforce. Nearly 300 miles on down the road you will find Gemtech but still in the state of Southern Idaho (it's a north Idaho joke).

It turns out the state of Idaho is actively pursuing gun manufactures:

When it comes to guns, Idaho economic development officials are starting to see green.

The Gem State, eager to attract new jobs and industry, is positioning itself as the best possible home for the nation's 200 small arms manufacturers - companies worth a collective $2 billion per year but unwelcome in many of the states that have long been their home.

It appears that the attraction is mutual.

"Like any smart business, gun manufacturers are looking for places that facilitate low operational costs, such as business taxes, utility costs and a good place for employees to live," said Richard Schelowitz, an analyst for AFC, which monitors the firearms industry.

"But unlike some businesses, this industry is also growing weary of regulations and public perceptions that might make it more difficult - and therefore more costly - to do business."

Almost by accident, Idaho has created a business environment that gives gun makers exactly the tax and regulatory climate they like.

During the past decade, several small gun manufacturers have relocated to Idaho. More may be on the way.

In recent weeks, at least one supplier of parts for internationally known gun manufacturer Armalite visited Southern Idaho to survey potential manufacturing sites.

...

Within the past year, a small company that makes silencers for law enforcement and some federal agencies relocated from Alabama to a nondescript building near Twin Falls. When contacted for this article, the owner of the firm asked that the location of the company - even its name - remain confidential because some of its contracts are classified secret.

Idaho was an attraction, the owner said, because of lower operating costs, favorable taxes and a culture that actively embraces firearm posession as one of the most important civil rights.

...

During the early 1990s, when almost half of the states were discussing bills that would tighten gun control laws. Idaho turned the other way. The state Constitution was amended to specifically protect gun owners and manufacturers from licensing and registration.

While other states tried to follow suit, Idaho went one step further by making itself the only state where firearm sales cannot be subject to any special tax - a hedge against efforts to use of prohibitive taxes to discourage gun ownership.

On the federal level, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, a director of the National Rifle Association, introduced the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which protects gunmakers from lawsuits filed by people injured in shootings.

Idaho didn't wait for the federal law - it became one of the first states to enact a comparable statute, in 2005.

Traditionally the nickname for Idaho has been the Gem State. I feel a great deal of pride that it may also becoming the Gun State. Let's hope the State motto, Esto Perpetua, is accurate.

Joe Huffman  Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:32:44 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  |