Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I'm pretty sure this has been known for a long time but I somehow missed the memo. Uncle shows us how to convert many semi-auto firearms into full auto for pennies.

That, however, isn't the main intent with his post. It's about mocking the ATF and gun laws. All worthy goals.

Thanks Uncle.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:47:23 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Robyn Ringler is probably close to my age. But despite having some very adult experiences she is like a child in some ways. She is so naive:

Let’s pass legislation that will have no effect on you but will stop irresponsible gun dealers.

You, in this case, refers to "legal gun owners". What she does not realize is that no such legislation is possible. Any restriction, let along something that would "stop irresponsible gun dealers", on gun dealers or owners will have a greater effect on "legal gun owners" than it will on the "illegal gun owners". People that would use a firearm to commit a crime will have no reservation about breaking a law intending to prevent them from possessing a gun. Not so on those that obey laws simply because they are the laws. They will honor the waiting periods, the registrations, and licensing processes all of which are barriers to gun ownership and use.

But she is coming around. She apparently recognizes people have legitimate uses for defensive firearms:

So, legal gun owners, go ahead and own your guns for defensive use.

In this further display of naiveté I suspect she doesn't realize is that she has stepped onto a slippery slope that the VPC, The Brady Campaign and many other anti-gun bigots avoid. Once you acknowledge firearms as legitimate self-defense tools you cannot help but admit restrictions on the purchase and carrying of these tools can cost lives.

But also like a child it appears she is learning. I have hope for her. It is very, very difficult to be an advocate for something then renounce that position even when all evidence for your position crumbles away into dust. If I am reading between the lines correctly she is reexamining some of her most dearly held beliefs in regards to firearms.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:08:16 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Via Tamara and Oleg we find out that iodine is now a controlled substance. Apparently it can be used in the production of meth. I just want it to make explosives.

I have some very fond, as well as scary, memories of my first home-made explosives which were made with iodine crystals.

This is what you get when people start believing you can prevent crime. There is no end of what they can and will justify once they buy into that repulsive concept. Legitimate crime control consists of punishment of those who injure others.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:23:24 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

What greater reassurance can the weak have than that they are like anyone else?

Eric Hoffer
(1902-83), U.S. philosopher.
The Passionate State of Mind, (1955).
[Perhaps reassurance isn't what is in the best interest of weak, the strong, or those in between. But then those who reassure the weak are unlikely to have the best interests of anyone but themselves in mind anyway.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:08:28 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Tuesday, July 10, 2007

I was watching "Fight Club" (again) last night and thinking how lucky we are that you were never fashion-seeking enough to have embraced nihilism.

Sean Flynn
17:34 July 9, 2007
[In an IM chat with me.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Monday, July 09, 2007 11:19:11 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Monday, July 09, 2007

This is how China does it:

China on Tuesday executed the former head of its food and drug watchdog who had become a symbol of the country's wide-ranging problems on product safety.

Zheng Xiaoyu's execution was confirmed by State Food and Drug Administration spokeswoman Yan Jianyang at a news conference held to highlight efforts to improve China's track record on food and drug safety.

Such cases "have brought shame to our administration and revealed serious problems. We need to seriously reflect on what lessons we can draw from such cases," Yan said about Zheng and a separate case involving Cao Wenzhuang, the administration's former pharmaceutical registration department director.

Zheng was sentenced to death in May for taking bribes to approve an antibiotic blamed for at least 10 deaths and other substandard medicines. Cao was given a death sentence last month with a two-year reprieve for accepting bribes and dereliction of duty.

It is my opinion that government corruption should be treated more harshly that corruption of officials in private business but I wouldn't contest someone's claim that execution is perhaps a bit extreme in ordinary corruption cases. But if someone dies as a result then it should be considered.

Politicians that infringe on the rights of the people to keep and bear arms should be encouraged to carefully weigh the potential harm of gun-control as well as the potential benefits.

Joe Huffman  Monday, July 09, 2007 10:54:04 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Trivia/synchronicity about Kim and her wedding:

  • When Kimberly Joe Huffman-Scott was born her mother, Barb, was the same age as Barb's mom was when Barb was born (31 years-old)
  • When Kim was born her father, me, was the same as my mom was when I was born (30 years-old)
  • Kim was 172 days younger than her mother when she married and only 40 days older than her father
  • After the ceremony as Kim and I danced the boat sailed past the motel where Barb and I had our honeymoon and we celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary

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Kim and I practicing our dance earlier in the day
(Photo by Xenia Joy)

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Xenia and I earlier on the day of the wedding
(Photo by Xenia Joy)

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Kim's garter
(Photo by Xenia Joy)

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The bride and her parents
(Photo by Xenia Joy)

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Kim and Xenia prior to the ceremony

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Barb and I dance in the foreground, Kim and Caleb in the center background
(photo by Xenia Joy)

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Kim and I dancing for real
(photo by Xenia Joy)

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More of Kim and I dancing for real (can you tell what, if anything, I'm "packing", how, and where?)
(photo by Xenia Joy)

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Dillon Precision Range Bag containing a video camera and accessories, a SureFire 6P flashlight, and a 22-round magazine loaded with 180 grain SXT Winchester Ranger .40 S&W

More photos on Xenia's Live Journal here and here.

Joe Huffman  Monday, July 09, 2007 10:36:10 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

When Kim was in the Kindergarten we were living in Sandpoint, Idaho. She would take her backpack with ladybug marking on it to school to carry her books and stuff. There was this older boy, a Fourth grader, that made fun of her about the ladybug backpack. The next year we moved to Moscow and Kim didn't have to deal with him anymore.

Kim graduated from Moscow High School and a year or so later moved to Coeur d'Alene Idaho. Shortly after arriving she was introduced to Caleb by a friend of hers. They talked and talked and discovered they both went to grade school at the same time in Sandpoint. They figured out that it was Caleb who teased Kim about her ladybug backpack. Kim and Caleb were married on Saturday.

For one of our wedding presents we gave them a set of a ladybug suitcase, a ladybug backpack, and a small ladybug backpack. Before the boat upon which the wedding ceremony took place left the dock a ladybug landed near one of the bouquets. I got a picture of it before it flew away:

I'll be posting some more pictures from the wedding soon. Watch for more ladybug pictures.

Joe Huffman  Monday, July 09, 2007 9:27:35 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

The burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra. To bear that burden would be at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.

Don B. Kates and Gary Mauser
Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, Volume 30, Number 2, Spring 2007.
[The answer to Just One Question is no.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Monday, July 09, 2007 7:55:19 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Sunday, July 08, 2007

The AP's apparent love, and frequent use of the word "czar," is an affront to the entire American public.

A czar is a merciless dictator, not subject to the will of the people, operating ruthlessly in pre-Communist Russia.

The suggestion by the AP and their hopelessly anti-freedom unthinking lapdog followers in the lamestream media, that the U.S. has a drug "czar," and education "czar," a fiscal policy "czar," and numerous other czars has gotten the public and officials to accept the word, without realizing just how brainwashed they have become.

Even if some twisted politician somewhere was the first to apply the word in some unknown circumstance, a proper reporter would say, in effect, "Although politician X called the new bureaucrat a 'czar,' the salaried government worker is actually only a mere employee, subject to reprimand, dismissal and the rule of law."

Alan Korwin
May 18, 2007
Czars Overrunning America
[I recall a time when they were called "public servants". It perplexes me that somehow they became Czar's. Was there a servant rebellion that someone forgot to tell me about?--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:17:53 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Saturday, July 07, 2007

Remember what Barb said yesterday?

She was right.

Oh, side note. Kim and Caleb made nearly all the explosives for Boomershoot 2007. It's nice to have him in the family.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:00:53 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

The truth is melting my face!

I trust that most of you read Thomas Sowell regularly, but in case you haven't seen this one...

Too many Americans today are not only unconcerned about what it will take to preserve this country but are busy dismantling the things that make it America.

He brings several points together to make a very good, large one.

The challenge for us the readers is to trick some leftists into reading his column.  Be careful though; it could be regarded by some as cruel and unusual punishment.

Lyle at UltiMAK  Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:34:56 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

The question. The answer is no. From the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.

[sarcasm] I wonder if the main stream media will report on this? [/sarcasm]

Here is a sample:

There is no social benefit in decreasing the availability of guns if the result is to increase the use of other means of suicide and murder, resulting in more or less the same amount of death. Elementary as this point is, proponents of the more guns equal more death mantra seem oblivious to it. One study asserts that Americans are more likely to be shot to death than people in the world's other 35 wealthier nations. While this is literally true, it is irrelevant-except, perhaps to people terrified not of death per se but just death by gunshot. A fact that should be of greater concern--but which the study fails to mention--is that per capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:10:24 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

The guy that drove the Jeep into the airport then tried to blow it up wasn't a medical doctor as was originally reported:

THE terror suspect critically ill in a hospital burns unit is an engineer with the skills to make the explosives used in the Glasgow and London attacks.

It has emerged that Kafeel Ahmed, who allegedly drove the Jeep into a Glasgow Airport terminal last Saturday, is a doctor of engineering, not medicine.

Police believe he may have made the two bombs found in vehicles in London, as well as the one in the foiled Glasgow attack.

Ahmed, 28, who was previously thought to be called Khalid, has a masters degree in aeronautical engineering and a doctorate in computational fluid dynamics, a highly specialised subject in which computers are used to simulate the flow of fluids and gases.

The bombs from London and Glasgow consisted of gas cylinders, petrol and a detonating system using mobile phones.

Aeronautical engineering isn't normally about making explosives for bombs--although occasionally that is the inadvertent outcome. But still one would think a good engineer would be able to make something work and would also know enough to do some tests. But it could be he didn't have any practical experience. Schneier called it Terrorist Special Olympics in the UK.

As Ry and I discovered some things that you think would be incredibly easy are not. For example, we spent a couple years, off and on, before we came up with a exploding fireball target that worked. See Project Fireball for both our successes and our failures. And even with all our experiments we occasionally change "some little thing" and we get a failure. As Ry puts it, "We don't have enough columns on the spreadsheet." I recently purchased some ammonium nitrate from a new supplier. The old stuff was fertilizer grade material which took us a couple years of tweaking our recipe, containers, and procedures before we got reliable detonations at Boomershoot. The new stuff is explosive grade. We will do extensive tests and probably make some changes before trusting it for an actual event.

I think it's Hollywood that changes our expectations of both the ease and the effect of explosives. In the recent U.K. cases we can probably thank Hollywood as well as a stupid engineer for the failures of the terrorist bombs.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, July 07, 2007 8:03:25 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

By this time tomorrow night your daughter will be a married woman.

Barbara Scott
July 6, 2007
[That would be our daughter; Kimberly Joe Huffman-Scott. In case you didn't know, my full name is Joseph Kim Huffman.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:24:13 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Friday, July 06, 2007

I have been exchanging email with Omie and Geoff over the last few days related to the article in the Daily News they collaborated on. The focus of the article was fully automatic firearms as they related to the recent high profile shooting at the courthouse which resulted in the death of a Moscow police officer and two other innocents. It was the belief for several weeks that one of the firearms was illegally converted from a semi-automatic to a full automatic. About two days after Omie and Geoff's article came out a different paper, the Lewiston Morning Tribune, reported there were no fully automatic firearms involved in the shooting. I can't imagine why it took weeks for law enforcement to make that determination but that is a different story.

I sent email to both Omie and Geoff after reading the article in the other paper. They had not been aware of the recent development until I pointed it out to them. I requested their permission to post our email exchanges but they both declined. My latest response to Omie closely relates to some recent posts of Lyle's and mine and Lyle encouraged me to post my email here. I had been planning to do that but just hadn't gotten around to it. I'm doing that now in the hopes it will help others in dealing with the bias against gun owners in terms than can be expressed constructively to those with the bias.

The first sentence is in response to Omie's request not to post her email to me on this blog. The second paragraph can be understood a little better if you know that it was not her intent to have the article be hostile to gun owners of any type. I believe that is true.

From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007
To: 'Omie Drawhorn'
Subject: RE: Hamilton's gun

 

I understand and will respect that.

 

My impression of the article was as you describe your intent. But things like "More restrictions or better enforcement could be key to questions about weapons" and even the assignment of "fully automatic" firearms allowed me to read additional things (rightly or wrongly) into the editorial mindset of the paper. As my friend Lyle pointed in a blog posting (http://blog.joehuffman.org/2007/07/05/Same+Template+Different+Story.aspx) yesterday the type of weapons is really the wrong focus for a follow-up article. Better would have been what went right, wrong, and what could be done differently in regards to the response and preparation for, what law enforcement calls, an "active shooter". For example, was Newbill wearing body armor? If so was it inadequate or irrelevant because of the shot placement? Should Hamilton have been in jail for previous crimes but was let out early for some reason? Did the responding officers follow their training for the information they had available to them at the time? If so could there have been better training that would have improved the outcome?

 

If the focus is on the gun then it seems to me someone has a solution in mind before they have a clear statement of the problem (see also this blog posting of mine from this morning: http://blog.joehuffman.org/2007/07/05/Understanding+The+Problem.aspx).

 

As an engineer I solve problems. One of the most common errors inexperienced engineers make is they jump to the solution before they have a good statement of the problem. The implied problem statement of the newspaper article was:

 

A criminal had a fully automatic firearm.

 

My statement of the problem would be something like:

 

A criminal with firearms attacked a building with people in it and responding law enforcement officers and private citizens were injured and killed.

 

The solutions problem solvers arrive at for the two different problem statements will be drastically different.

 

Is this making sense to you? I’m getting into “engineer talk” and worry non-engineers won’t see what I view as critical differences.

 

 

-joe-

Joe Huffman  Friday, July 06, 2007 12:39:32 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

In his article, Westen proudly displays his passport from Bizarroland, a place superficially similar to planet Earth, but where drooling idiots with hearts full of hate run amok absent guidance from their spiritual and intellectual betters in politics and academe.

...

I was waiting for the lizardoids to show up around paragraph seven or so and symbolically rape Gaia while carrying off Al Gore to be a slave on their homeworld, Karlrovia.

Tamara K.
July 5, 2007
*sniff* It's a thing of beauty.
[And so is Tam's snark a thing of beauty. I find myself quite pleased at all the attention given to The Gun Guy (Gonzo) email and the book and article by Drew Weston which was the basis of Gonzo's claim that emotion is what wins gun control arguments--not facts and logic. Here is a quick, perhaps partial, list of the chain of postings Gonzo's email triggered:

And from looking at my log files I see where Gonzo himself visited to see where I quoted him. The web is a wonderful thing.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Friday, July 06, 2007 8:53:36 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Thursday, July 05, 2007

As a young engineer one of the most profound things every told to me was by my boss, Ken M.  Ken told me "You need to understand the problem before you can solve it." This is far more deep a statement than one might first realize. There is a strong tendency for people to advocate solutions rather solve problems. Examples my readers will immediately recognize include:

  • Gun control: The anti-gun bigot push the solution then justify it by claiming will prevent crime. By doing this they "overlook" the possibility that guns in the hands of private citizens might reduce crime. The problem is criminals, not guns.
  • National ID cards: The anti-freedom bigots push this solution claiming requiring ID for nearly every financial transaction, entry/exit from buildings, and checkpoints on streets and roads will make us safer. By doing this they overlook the fact that in the last century governments have killed far more of their own citizens than terrorists and criminals. ID cards and checkpoints have always been a tool of the tyrants. The problem is our safety is more at risk from tyrannical governments than it is from small groups and individuals.

 I don't believe most people really understand the problem of terrorist attacks. Here is a hint:

With doctors in custody over attempted terrorist attacks in London and Glasgow, British police have now discovered a group of 45 Muslim doctors threatened an attack in the U.S. with car bombs and rocket grenades.

The threat was found in an Internet chat room run by Younis Tsouli, 23, of London, one of three members of a "cyber-terrorist" gang, according to the Daily Telegraph of London.

One message read: "We are 45 doctors and we are determined to undertake jihad and take the battle inside America.

"The first target which will be penetrated by nine brothers is the naval base which gives shelter to the ship Kennedy."

The reference apparently is to the USS John F. Kennedy and its home port, the Mayport Naval Base in Jacksonville, Fla., the Telegraph said.

The message discussed targets at the base, including gasoline tanks and "clubs for naked women." 

It also referred to using six Chevrolet GT vehicles and three fishing boats to carry out the attacks.

I'd like a response on this from those who say we just need to contain them or that Christian extremists are just as bad.

Joe Huffman  Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:16:20 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

...is security just an excuse for any random thing these days?

Bruce Schneier
July 5, 2007
School Uniforms to Enhance Security?
[Yes. Look at gun control, unconstitutional and ineffective searches at our airports, national ID cards, etc.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:49:25 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
 Wednesday, July 04, 2007

Reading Joe's recent post got me thinking.  Every time there's a shooting, we see reports on the type of firearm used, its features, where it may have been obtained, and what gun laws might "prevent this sort of thing" in the future.  Given that criminals by definition don't obey gun laws, and that this sort of thing isn't going to be prevented by more Prohibitions, what sort of reporting might actually benefit the consumers of news reports?  Newsies: I'm asking you to think outside the usual story templates.

News pieces on the firearm models and types used in a particular crime are unhelpful, mostly because they're useless unless you're pushing an anti-gun agenda (one exception might be the LA bank robbery, in which police responded to a rifle fight with nothing but pistols and shotguns. There the types of weapons involved were actually relevant to the response tactics) and also because the reporting is typically done by people who know next to nothing about firearms (believe me, Newsies, it shows.  It really, really shows).  I submit that the public could benefit more from reports on exactly what happened from minute to minute, once all the hysteria has died down and the evidence has been evaluated.  Interview police and citizen defense trainers on what responses would be most appropriate, how the police view the role of the armed citizen, and so on.  Then we may be better able to respond to an incident more appropriately, or to stay out of it entirely when needed.

For certain, I think its a bad idea to grab a gun and run head-on toward the sound of gunfire.  Stealth, People.  Also consider the fact that it may be impossible to know friend from foe when there are armed citizens in the same area as armed criminals.  Start a discussion on when to stay out of the way, or, if presented an easy shot on a hostile target, when to take it, where to get the training and equipment, what would the police chief or sheriff's department would want you to do?  You might let us know where to sign up for a local gun club, range development plan or self-defense course, and so on.  "Public Interest" in other words, could be served by some far more diverse reporting.

Lyle at UltiMAK  Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:46:17 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

My previous post, Quote of the Day--The Gun Guys, about anti-gun bigots demanding people use emotion to win arguments and their agenda in legislatures, deserves more attention. His email was inspired by Despite Large Majorities, Democrats Are Chicken on Gun Control by Drew Westen.

Weston claims people are at their most basic and inescapable level not logical. I'll grant that he is not but nearly everything he says just does not compute with me. I associate him and his viewpoints with death and evil. I associate great emotion with the great evils of the world. Every genocide, the burning of "witches", the war against us by Islamic extremists, racism, domestic abuse--the list is almost endless. Strong emotions and the exclusion of facts and logic have played a huge role in the killings of millions of innocent people. To endorse emotion as a means of "finding your moral compass" as Weston apparently endorses is flat out wrong.

Reading this article was about as pleasant as shoveling fresh cow manure out of a unventilated barn on a hot day (I've actually done this--it's not for people with weak stomachs). Weston has the gall to claim facts are unimportant. Emotion is what is important and he claims this as a fact. There is no hypocrisy in his world view is there?

I was going to just ignore Weston's factual errors in regards to gun laws but I can't. Weston's tries to convince us with facts and logic that facts and logic aren't important. But he is so careless with facts that even if we were to overlook his hypocritical argument we just can't trust him. Each time he erroneously states a "fact" it's like he just broke out another window on his airplane. His argument is so drafty that no reasonable person could tolerate the ride even if his plane could get off the ground.

Here is a sample of the factual errors:

  • The Brady Act restricted the sale of "assault weapons" -- Wrong. It was the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act passed in 1994.
  • The Brady Act caused 100,000 felons to loose their right to bear arms -- Wrong. Convicted felons had that right infringed in 1968 with GCA68.
  • Hunters have a right to own firearms -- The right to own firearms has nothing to do with hunting.
  • The National Rifle Association supports semiautomatics for felons -- Wrong.
  • The National Rifle Association supports unrestricted access to automatic weapons -- Wrong.
  • There exists some set of firearms "designed for no other purpose than to take another person's life" -- I suppose it's possible but I've never seen or heard of such a gun.

I will grant Weston has a point in that emotion is a "card" politicians can and do play with great effect regardless of the facts and logic of reality. But this is not the way it should be. Emotions should be used by politicians to gain support for that which is true and logical. The "dispassionate mind", which Weston apparently despises, should be the beginnings of any endeavor which has the luxury of at least a small amount of time devoted to planning. From the basis of what is true and good one can build up a web of logic and reach conclusions that will resonate and create passion. One should not start and end with conclusions and passion. To do that is to invite error into our thinking and that is why I see Weston and his ilk as enablers of death and evil.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:45:11 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Emotion is what wins arguments, and there is a tremendous amount of emotion among those fighting to reduce gun violence -- there always is when someone gets hurt or must go through the tragedies that we experience in this country as a result of gun violence.

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That is important emotion, and it will do more for the argument for stronger gun laws than any facts or figures ever will.

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We have to show legislators the human side of this issue, too, and force them to base their own decisions and policies off of that emotion...

The Gun Guys (actually the paid anti-gun, anti-freedom, activist Gonzo)
Email from June 26, 2007
[There you have it. Just what we have been saying for years. The facts don't really matter. What matters is emotion. They know the facts don't support their agenda. The number of innocents dead, wounded, raped, and robbed is irrelevant as long as someone feels good about removing the tools of self defense from those victims. And they need to force legislators to base their decisions off of that same sick mindset.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:17:49 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |