# Saturday, December 23, 2006

That discussion wouldn't be productive.

Peggy Hevland
Specialist
HRM, CISD
peggy.hevland@pnl.gov
509-375-6523
June 3, 2005
[When I asked, "What specifically did I do wrong?" as she and Byran McMillian were in the process of firing me. It turns out that I later found out why I was being fired--some people had a problem with me being a civil (gun) rights advocate. It's the quote of the day for today because I just found out the lawsuit papers have been served to McMillian. Peggy...Someday in the not too distant future I believe I'm going to have a very productive discussion with you. Either that you will be held in contempt of court.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Saturday, December 23, 2006 11:32:24 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 
# Friday, December 22, 2006

Only it's guns. A real downer for the day.

Via Say Uncle.

Joe Huffman  Friday, December 22, 2006 9:46:55 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  | 

Dr. Joe's cure for everything, more sex, works for a lot of things but I have my doubts about this:

WHO?
All Men and Women, you and everyone you know.

WHERE?
Everywhere in the world, but especially in countries with weapons of mass destruction.

WHEN?
Solstice Day -- Friday, December 22nd, at the time of your choosing, in the place of your choosing and with as much privacy as you chose.

WHY?
To effect positive change in the energy field of the Earth through the input of the largest possible surge of human energy, a Synchronized Global Orgasm.

I'm fine with most of it but I think someone needs to take some physics classes because their understanding of energy and fields is more than a little wacked.

I'll particpate and encourage Barb to help out because it can't do any harm and it was on my list of things to do anyway but these people are nuts.

Sex
Joe Huffman  Friday, December 22, 2006 8:54:50 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 

People who relieve others of their money with guns are called robbers. It does not alter the immorality of the act when the income transfer is carried out by government.

Cal Thomas
A taxing time
Jewish World Review April 17, 2000

Joe Huffman  Friday, December 22, 2006 8:38:20 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
# Thursday, December 21, 2006

Yes, I know, "nanny state stupidity" is redundant. Get over it. I want to rub the nanny noses in it when they come visiting.

In southern Idaho there is a fireworks supply company, Firefox Enterprises, being sued (a civil lawsuit, not criminal) by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). Here is a copy of their complaint.

Basically they told Firefox they had determined that certain fireworks are banned hazardous substances. Furthermore CPSC regulations specify that "components" that are "intended to produce" banned fireworks are also banned hazardous substances. They want an injunction against Firefox directing them to:

  • not sell, give away, or otherwise distribute any chlorate compound, magnesium metal, permanganate compound, peroxide compound, zirconium metal, or any chemical listed at 16 C.F.R. ยง 1507.2 to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF;
  • not sell, give away, or otherwise distribute any of the following chemical for which the particle size is finer than 100 mesh (or particles less than 150 microns in size) to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF: aluminum and aluminum alloys, magnalium metal, magnesium/aluminum alloys, titanium and titanium alloys, or zinc metal;
  • not sell, give away, or otherwise distribute any of the following chemicals in any amount greater than one pound per year per recipient to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF: antimony and antimony compounds, benzoate compounds, nitrate compounds, perchlorate compounds, salicylate compounds, or sulfur;
  • not sell, give away, or otherwise distribute any fuse in an amount greater than twenty-five feet per year to any recipient who does not possess a valid manufacturing license for explosives issued by the ATF;

For those of you not familiar with the chemistry of common household and barnyard substances:

  • Matches are a chlorate compound
  • Matches contain sulfur
  • Hair bleach is a peroxide compound
  • Magnesium metal is found in many cars, motorcycles, and other common objects in your house and garage
  • Starting with aluminized mylar balloon and other common objects it's not difficult to make particles of aluminum smaller that 150 microns
  • Cow/chicken/pig/etc. manure is a nitrate compound and can be, and has been for hundreds of years, a component for fireworks and explosives
  • Many lawn and garden fertilizers are nitrate compounds
  • Ordinary string as well as cigarettes and cigarette paper (it's specially treated) can be used as a fuse

And those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head.

The more basic problem is they are trying to prevent crime. This is prior restraint and is like duct taping people's mouths shut when they go into a crowded theater so they can't falsely yell, "FIRE!!!" As I said back in 1998

Crime "prevention" is a very hot button for me.  There is no limit to the evil that can be justified and/or enabled once you accept the premise that it is acceptable to prevent crime by restricting liberty.

December 3, 1998 6:53 PM
Microsoft Gun Club Public Folder

This started in 2004 and I have sort of been following along. It doesn't directly affect me in the foreseeable future because I have the required ATF license and I no longer buy my potassium chlorate from Firefox. I buy in quantities about 10 times larger than what they think is a large order and hence get it much cheaper from a different source. Today I received an email from another fireworks supplier that I have also utilized which said in part, "THE FIREFOX CASE HAS BEEN LOST". The judge has told the CPSC and Firefox to negotiate a mutually acceptable plan or else he, the judge, will make the decision.

So to those pinheaded jerks at the CPSC: I just want you to know you are one stupid set of nannies when you are trying to ban people from selling cow manure. Why don't you go get a real job instead of being professional assholes?

Joe Huffman  Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:46:45 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  | 

The following article was actually the motivation to write my post last night, How government creates crime. From New Zealand:

Green Party MP Keith Locke has called for greater controls on the owners of military style weapons, in the wake of the Police seizure of hundreds of military style weapons during raids on 55 gun collectors and dealers.

"When even the Police express surprise at the extent of the seizures, this indicates serious flaws exist within the gun control system they administer," Mr Locke says.

"The raids are very welcome, and hopefully indicate a fresh determination by Police to tackle this problem. The Police vetting system has become far too loose, and it has become too easy to register and trade as a 'collector.'

"The profits possible from on-selling these weapons are clearly proving too much for some of these registered gun collectors to resist.

"While one can sympathise with genuine collectors, it is not acceptable that the 'collectors' market is being used as a cover for a black market trade in guns, some of which ultimately end up in the hands of gangs and criminals.

"The initial looseness in the control system is that gun owners must be registered, but not their guns. In future, guns need to be registered."

Who are the victims in the "crime" mentioned above? If you said the gun collectors and dealers you are correct. They engaged in victimless crimes. Any further restrictions, as suggested above, on the free market will only create still more "criminals" and victims.

Joe Huffman  Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:57:42 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

End of the year roundup on things:

  • There are only two slots left and they are in the .50 Caliber Ghetto
  • There is a waiting list of four teams (six people) for the smaller caliber area some of whom claimed .50 Caliber Ghetto slots
  • There are 110 shooters signed up
  • There are, on the average, 1.62 shooters per position
  • Excluding the targets consumed in the Precision Rifle Clinic (full since November 8th with a waiting list) on the average there will probably be 6.5 targets per shooter
  • Excluding the Precision Rifle Clinic targets there will be on the average 10.5 targets per shooting position
  • Excluding the Precision Rifle Clinic targets there will be on the average 21.4 pounds of explosives per per shooting position
  • Excluding the Precision Rifle Clinic targets there will be on the average 13.2 pounds of explosives per shooter
  • The average price paid per paying shooter (staff not counted) would buy only about 7.5 pounds of Tannerite (see also Target Master exploding targets) at list price in case quantity
  • The smallest targets for Boomershoot 2007 will have three times the explosive charge of the largest targets at Boomershoot 2000
  • If we use the same number of targets as last year we will consume over 1600 pounds of explosives (see More boom in the boomers)
  • Assuming no unexpected expenses and an comparable level of participation then Boomershoot 2008 (a year or more from now) will be enable me to pay off the last of the debt on the construction of the Taj Mahal
Joe Huffman  Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:41:05 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Waiting for the door-to-door gun confiscation?

Better use that time to prevent them: Vote. Run for office. Train new shooters. Educate fence sitters.

Oleg Volk
November 11, 2006

Joe Huffman  Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:37:46 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
# Wednesday, December 20, 2006

Speaking of Oleg Volk, Say Uncle points out this picture from Oleg. It makes me wish I had taken pictures of my girls when they shot guns for the first time.

The title for this post is stolen from the commenter dantheserene to Oleg's post.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:30:26 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

I helped Ry with a car problem tonight and he asked me if I had read the Oleg Volk's post about waiting for door-to-door confiscation of firearms. I hadn't. He gave me a version that was slightly mangled and said Oleg said it much better. Then in his post about it Ry pointed out the picture for the posting is an UltiMAK equipped rifle.

A portion of Oleg's advice, "Train new shooters" and "Educate fence-sitters", is a significant portion of the motivation for Boomershoot.

So what have you done to prevent door-to-door confiscations recently?

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:08:29 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

One of my pet peeves is how government creates crime and gets away with it. Not even a whisper of it in the press when some new crime creating law is being debated. "Government creates crime?", you ask. Yes, beyond any doubt. Alcohol prohibition is one example that most people can agree on without much effort. By banning most types of alcohol consumption they created a black market for a product that was in high demand. Turf wars, corruption of the police and public officials, and enforcement of business contracts via violence were the inevitable result.

Most people can also see a similar result has occurred with recreational drug prohibition.

Firearm prohibition has the same result but, probably because demand isn't as great, to a limited extent.

Prohibitions are just one of the areas however. Taxes are another. Anytime the taxes become "too high" on a product a black market is created. It's simply a light version of a ban on a product. I've heard it said that "too high" is greater than about 15%. When the taxes on a product are below 15% of the free market retail price a black market isn't viable. Above 15% and the government created a black market and all the crime that comes with that black market.

And what most people don't realize is that taxes on income helps create crime too. If someone steals $100 do you think they are going to report that as income and pay taxes on it? $100 of illegal income, assuming you don't get caught, is worth more than $100 of legal income you report and pay taxes on. The higher the income tax rate the more incentive there is to obtain your income from illegal sources. Hence government taxes on income are a crime incentive.

In general it boils down to this: Any government restriction on the free market is an incentive for people to "go illegal" to bypass that restriction. Anytime someone "goes illegal" they no longer have the court system available to them to resolve disputes and enforce contracts. The result is not only the crime of bypassing the government restriction but the crimes of police and political corruption and contract resolution via violence.

I'm not saying that all government restrictions on the free market are to be abolished. I'm just saying that any restrictions increase the price such that it exceeds some threshold, perhaps in the range of 15% of the unrestricted price, and a very careful cost/benefit analysis is required. And of course as we know from the gun control debates people seldom bring up the downside of a government restriction. They seem to be only able to see the potential upside.

And before someone else points it out (Lyle, I'm thinking of you) most government in the U.S. is already criminal. Where do they get the authority in their constitutions to do even one tenth their normal "business"? So it's not surprising they wouldn't be concerned about creating crime--criminals are their idealogical brothers.

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:56:06 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 

A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on Earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.

Thomas Jefferson
Letter to James Madison
Dec. 20, 1787
[It's as true today as it was 219 years ago. And keep in mind that the bill of rights is a list of things the government must not do. It is not a list of what it should or must do. There is no "right" to health care, education, or employment. There is a right to due process, freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable search and seziure, and the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:15:59 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
# Tuesday, December 19, 2006

The Constitution is not neutral. It was designed to take the government off the backs of people.

William O. Douglas
US Supreme Court Justice

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:43:29 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 
# Monday, December 18, 2006

I'm far from the first on this topic but no one I have read has pointed out what comes immediately to mind when I see this sort of thing:

That said, I understand that this will not be well-received everywhere. Some folks complained loudly in the past when, as a matter of routine, this newspaper published the names of those granted permits in Minnehaha County - and likely they will complain loudly now, arguing that it is none of our business whether they have a license to carry a gun.

Some will invoke the Second Amendment, which only protects their right to have guns.

Wrong. The Constitution does not give people the right to own guns. It guarantees that preexisting right will not be infringed (see An Individual Right and search for Cruikshank).

People also have the right to marry someone of a different race--even if it isn't guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Should those people be registered? Does the public have the right to know who is in an interracial marriage?

The registration and publication of gun owners and their guns only serves one purpose and that is harassment and discrimination. Bigotry is an ugly thing no matter who is practicing it.

Update: My exact same comments also apply to this article.

Joe Huffman  Monday, December 18, 2006 10:30:13 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  | 

One of my favorite Boomershoot stories is that Paul and Tammy celebrated their honeymoon by attending Boomershoot 2001. As popular as Boomershoot is it just doesn't draw that many honeymooners. But as rare as that is I suspect that a Honeymoon in Iraq is even more rare. In addition to the admiration I have for them performing dangerous work to help secure world peace and stability I'm honored for Chris to claim he reads my blog almost every day and he made a very favorable post about my Just One Question.

Thank you Chris and Desert Lizard. Please make it back safely.

Joe Huffman  Monday, December 18, 2006 9:49:56 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

One of the most interesting, after the ant experiments and the safe cracking, parts of Richard Feynman's book Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman! was his experiments with smell. While he was out of the room he would have a group of people pick a book from a shelf, handle it briefly then replace it on the shelf. He would then come back into the room and identify which books were handled and by which person. He said it was surprisingly easy.

Feynman's experiments are entirely consistent with these which extend human smell to tracking.

Joe Huffman  Monday, December 18, 2006 9:36:54 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Ry says they don't have handles and gives this page as reference. However informative and useful the reference I beg to differ with the claim they don't have handles. Even most Manx have a little something that can be used as the rear handle and the scruff of the neck works well for the second handle. This presumes of course you have heavy leather gloves to prevent the slitting of the wrist of the hand utilizing this handle.

I have successfully accomplished the task with only minor wounds and scars that, after 15 years, only barely show. The biggest problems were the two girls, ages four and six I think, that were climbing on my back and screaming, "Daddy's trying to drown the kitty!!" Once Barb dragged them off of me things went pretty smooth--all things considered.

Joe Huffman  Monday, December 18, 2006 9:06:55 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  | 

I have nothing new to teach the world. Truth and Non-violence are as old as the hills.  All I have done is to try experiments in both on as vast a scale as I could.

Mohandas K. Gandhi
(1869-1948), Indian political and spiritual leader.
Harijan (28 March 1936).
[This is something for gun owners anxious to "push the reset button" to remember. We have truth on our side and for now we have non-violence. Once the non-violence threshold has been breached many of the terrible things they say about us will become true. That is to not to say there isn't a valid time and place to use violence. It's just that we must be very careful to have sufficient moral justification for using violence.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Monday, December 18, 2006 8:22:05 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [4]  | 
# Sunday, December 17, 2006

The power is on for both James and I where we work so we need to be back at work tomorrow. James has power at his apartment but I don't have any at my place so I'm taking my 3500W generator. I should be able to get the gas furnance working and if not my roommates and I can continue to burn wood in the fireplaces. The generator should keep the refrigerators and the computers up. Candles and kerosene lamps for lights and we will be comfortable. We should also be able to run the washing machine if we shut down some of the other stuff to wash clothes. The water heater is gas and hasn't been affected by the power outage.

We head out in a few minutes and hope to get over Snoqualmie Pass before it snows too much.

Joe Huffman  Sunday, December 17, 2006 1:16:02 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

Cases of persecution similar to Galileo's (which are also found in Protestantism) are a significant indicator of the extent to which Christians themselves have been aware of the conflict between reason and faith.  The issue is not whether Galileo was right or wrong.  The issue is:  Why has Christianity found it necessary and desirable to suppress free inquiry with the threat of force?  If reason will only lend support to the dogmas of religion, why have those countries with a strong Church-State alliance displayed such an eagerness to enforce religious dogmas and eliminate dissent through the power of the State?  Why has Christianity refused, whenever possible, to allow its beliefs to compete in a free marketplace of ideas?  The answer is obvious - and revealing.  Christianity is peddling an inferior product, one that cannot withstand critical investigation.  Unable to compete favorably with other theories, it has sought to gain a monopoly through a state franchise, which means: through the use of force.

George H. Smith
From Atheism the Case Against God
[This same argument can be used to even greater effect with Islamic extremists. They have been "converting by the sword" for centuries. Frequently murdering everyone in an entire town. I'm listening to Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism and the picture it paints about the history of Islam is worse than I thought it was. Which was already extraordinarily negative.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:51:03 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  | 
# Saturday, December 16, 2006

Now they are taxing sex. It's an extension of the "pleasure tax":

The sex levy is part of the "pleasure tax," which originally placed a duty on casinos and arcades and was later extended to include brothels, massage parlors and table-dancing clubs.

Okay. So it's only on the business sex. But they also pay other taxes:

The city's finance department was not able to say how many prostitutes worked in the city as individual tax numbers could be registered to entire brothels. Prostitution is legal in Germany, where sex workers also have to pay income and value-added taxes.

Value-added tax? I"m going to have to think about that one for a while...

Sex
Joe Huffman  Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:49:17 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

The last couple years we have been using cardboard boxes for the targets. The Boomerite (also known as "Joe's Special Recipe") is put in zip lock bags and then put in the boxes. The zip lock bags for the 7 1/8" x 7 1/8" x 1 3/8" targets have been, when flat, 8" x 8". When filled with Boomerite they are no longer 8" x 8". When put in the cardboard boxes they leave a gap of about a half inch all the way around the edge. This year I purchased 1000 of the next size larger zip lock bags 9" x 12". This will allow us to completely fill what we call "the seven inchers" and result in slightly bigger booms.

Also for the last couple of years we had "six inchers". Boxes which were slightly smaller than the seven inchers but held almost as much Boomerite. To simply purchasing, inventory, etc. I decided to not have any six inchers this year. Where we used six inchers in the past we would use seven inchers. No one should have a problem with that. The bigger targets will be easier to hit and have bigger booms.

So far, so good, no big deal. I wasn't even going to mention the above but then when I took the newly purchased boxes and the zip lock bags out to the Taj Mahal today I noticed something about the "four inchers". I ordered, and received, boxes that were 4" x 4" x 3". Previously we had used 4" x 4" x 2". I had pressed the wrong button on the online order form. Here is the difference between the boxes:

I just tested out one of the zip lock bags we have for these and confirmed that the four inchers will have about 50% more Boomerite than last year. And since I bought 1000 of these boxes we will have some left over for next year as well.

Oh well. It wasn't what I planned but I don't think there will be any complaints.

In other news I was able to drive the van over the culvert I put in last September. There was quite a bit of water flowing but all the dirt appeared to be in place and grass is growing. Unless there is some really unusual weather next spring I don't think there will be any problems with it.

One last thing. After leaving the Taj I went to my parents place for lunch. When I walked into the shop to chat with my brother and Dad my brother was on the phone trying to help Dean Gimstead with his new computer. Dean brings the "roach coach" that provides breakfast and lunch to Boomershooters. I ended up doing the computer support and then let Dean know the exact dates for Boomershoot 2007. I just need to order the Port-a-Potties and all the major issues will be taken care of until just a few days before the event.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:41:08 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

See also the Seattle Times article here. These were all taken on Friday December 15 between 8:30 and 12:00. I took the first one and James took the rest.


Typical residental street


Near Redmond on Highway 202 on our way out of town


Near Redmond on Highway 202 on our way out of town


Notice the power line is down on the left as well as half of highway 202 is blocked

Joe Huffman  Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:59:51 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  | 

What does it take for Americans to do great things; to go to the moon, to win wars, to dig canals linking oceans, to build railroads across a continent? In independent thought about this question, Neil Armstrong and I concluded that it takes a coincidence of four conditions, or in Neil's view, the simultaneous peaking of four of the many cycles of American life. First, a base of technology must exist from which to do the thing to be done. Second, a period of national uneasiness about America's place in the scheme of human activities must exist. Third, some catalytic event must occur that focuses the national attention upon the direction to proceed. Finally, an articulate and wise leader must sense these first three conditions and put forth with words and action the great thing to be accomplished. The motivation of young Americans to do what needs to be done flows from such a coincidence of conditions.... The Thomas Jeffersons, The Teddy Roosevelts, The John Kennedys appear. We must begin to create the tools of leadership which they, and their young frontiersmen, will require to lead us onward and upward.

Dr. Harrison H. Schmidt
Sen., New Mexico
[To win wars? Hmmm... If Schmidt is right what are we missing?--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:26:37 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  | 
# Friday, December 15, 2006

The power flickered many times with the first record in my uninterruptable power supply logs at about 17:00 yesterday. There were numerous 10 and 20 second outages until it went out for the night about 22:30. For James it was very early this morning. Work was closed and although I could have kept our computers up it just wasn't worth the effort. We drove back to Idaho today to wait for the power to be restored to the Seattle area.

The snow on the pass and all the way to just a few miles west of Vantage wasn't bad but it was coming down pretty good so we were glad to make it across when we did. The worst part was making it through all the traffic on the Eastside of Lake Washington. With no power all the traffic lights were 4-way stops.

Ry reports in and is doing fine.

Phil at Random Nuclear Strikes hasn't said anything but I'm sure he is doing well unless he suffered a direct hit from a tree.

Mr. Completely has several reports and seems to be doing well:

James and I took a few pictures and I'll put something up later. I need to make supper before Barb gets home from work.

Joe Huffman  Friday, December 15, 2006 6:15:43 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [3]  | 

During our recent motor touring, we noticed on several occasions the road sign "Gusty winds may exist." Now I find that pretty fascinating. The notice that gusty winds may exist suggests some thought be given to the relationship of reality to existence. Whether such winds may or may not exist opens the door to questions about what constitutes existence. Descartes declaimed, Cogito ergo sum (I think: therefore I am). Whether winds may or may not really and truly exist calls for serious thought. I almost ran off the road considering this matter.

Jeff Cooper
From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries
[Gusty winds do exist. Seattle without power is proof of that.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Friday, December 15, 2006 6:02:06 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  |