Wednesday, November 29, 2006

I got mixed up searching for the proper email address (the domain names differed by only one letter) and first sent emails to the Boys High School school. But eventually I got it straighted out sent an email to the address I found here. I sent a correction email to the police department as well. Here is what I sent the student:

From: Joe Huffman
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:59 AM
To: Bonnie
Subject: RE: site....

I haven't personally built either of those types of devices so I really can't help with what you want to do.
 
I'm sure you will be able to get the help you need soon.
 
Good luck!
 
 
 
-joe-

From: Bonnie
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:08 PM
To: joeh@boomershoot.org
Subject: site....

Hey I need help. I want to build a bomb out of simple ingredients. I need the recipe. a timer, maybe a detonater. I was thinking along the lines of a pipe or fire bomb? can you help?

Update: I received a reply from the school:

From: Melissa
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:09 PM
To: Joe Huffman
Subject: RE: Student wants help building a bomb.

Thank you for forwarding this email and we will ensure that this is followed up.

Kind regards.

Principal's PA

Update II: On December 4, 2006 4:45 PM I received an email from "NZ Police Web Site : Central" saying, "thanks I will forward it to the Intel office in New Pplymouth (sic)".

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:37:47 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  |  Trackback

The right to revolt has sources deep in our history.

William O. Douglas
US Supreme Court Justice

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:30:09 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback
 Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Why am I not surprised? I'm betting these are people that want us to return to our "natural state"--to be "one with nature". If they really succeeded, if they actually achieved what they are pushing for billions of people would die. We would return to the technology, and probably the sociology, of the dark ages:

Fringe environmental campaigners have contributed to the metal market boom by hindering and delaying new mine development, Mr Munk said.

...

Barrick’s chairman said that the leading NGOs had played a responsible role alerting the world to problems. The new breed are not accountable, he said. “They haven’t got an address. They incite people, mobilise volunteers and make outrageous statements.”

Barrick recently came under fire over plans to develop an Andean gold deposit on the Chile-Argentina border. NGOs accused the company of seeking to destroy glaciers.

Barrick said that the mine would not touch the icefields and it had received 50,000 job applications from locals supporting the project.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:06:46 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

Nuclear fusion is a wonderful idea. Clean, no risk of people making bombs from it, and nearly limitless energy. And we have people working on it. The problem is it's not just some government program--which would almost for certain doom it. There are numerous governments working on it. Think of a committee of bureaucrats that don't speak the same language. Now give them billions of dollars and tell them they aren't expected to deliver a working prototype for years or even decades. Oh, and they aren't ever expected to turn a profit.

When General Electric, Chevron, or even Toyota tells me they are building a nuclear fusion plant I'll willingly buy their stock. But the government is going to have to get my money for this boondoggle they way they always do--at the point of a gun.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:51:28 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  |  Trackback

Xenia has posted some more portraits. Kim and Caleb and Martin. I like these best:

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:17:34 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

Say Uncle reminded me of something and I had to go look it up. If you ever get a chance to hear Alan Korwin speak he's just as brilliant in person. Here is his take on the words we use. A sample:

They want you to say
(and you lose if you say):
It's better to say
(and they lose if you say):
pro gun pro rights
gun control crime control
anti-gun movement anti-self-defense movement
semiautomatic handgun sidearm
concealed carry carry or right to carry
assault or lethal weapon household firearms
saturday night specials racist gun laws
junk guns the affordability issue
high capacity magazines full capacity magazines
Second Amendment Bill of Rights
the powerful gun lobby civil rights organizations

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:54:38 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  |  Trackback

Just a little over a week ago I brought you this story on how you get what you pay for with government health care. It's "free", right? Here's a follow up story on it:

Patients spoke yesterday of their grim experiences in mixed hospital wards and claimed the Government fiddles the figures to suggest that most are now segregated.

Readers of The Daily Telegraph, from Truro to Manchester, said there were often naked and semi-naked patients of the opposite sex in full view and intimate medical discussions were easily overheard.

They said that flimsy partitions were used to indicate that the sexes were separated and that wards were classed as emergency or temporary in order to get around the rules.

The Department of Health says that 99 per cent of NHS trusts comply with the requirement to provide single-sex accommodation but on Thursday Patricia Hewitt, the Health Secretary, admitted there were problems.

...

Single-sex lavatories were achieved by changing the designation on the doors to either male or female depending on the sex of the occupant. "In effect this made the facility unisex," she said. "I had to endure all the mess left by ill and confused male users of the lavatory."

A reader from Weston-super-Mare said that last March, at Weston General Hospital, she was on a ward with a partition half way through the room.

"I was taken to a bed on the male side. They said they would move me when a female bed was available.

"When I asked for the curtains to be drawn I was told it was not possible as the nurse needed to see me. I was on the male side when I came round from my operation and found this extremely stressful.

"When I needed to use a commode the curtains were at least 2ft from the floor — very distressing and undignified."

A woman admitted to the Princess Royal Hospital, Telford, wrote: "I was amazed and embarrassed to find myself staring at a row of men.

"The man opposite had a skin complaint and lay on top of his bed with his pyjamas open and a small paper towel balanced on his private parts.

"Every time he moved the towel fell off."

A Department of Health spokesman said: "We are aware of these issues and know there is a disparity between our figures and the public view. That is why the Secretary of State has asked strategic health authorities to look into this and to report back to us."

Government officials love to make reports. It's one of the few things they are actually pretty good about doing. Too bad they can't actually accomplish something useful.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:36:13 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

This is one of the dangers we face. People are getting used to having their freedoms violated. Some people get it. But others don't:

Stop griping about airport security

As the daughter of airline employees, I was practically raised on an airplane. I’ve been swabbed for drugs, had my shoes examined for explosives, had my bag torn apart and been patted down in plain view.

Yes, it’s an inconvenience, but it’s really not the end of the world.

I’m personally willing to sacrifice an hour of my life to not lose my life in an hour.

Whenever some nutcase tries to sneak a knife on board to prove a point, there is an immediate reaction of, “Oh look! Security is insufficient! Another 9/11 could happen now!”

Until you stop complaining about having to take off your shoes, you cannot complain about a lack of security.

"An inconvenience but not the end of the world." I'm sure similar words were used by a lot of the homosexuals when they had to wear the pink triangles in Germany in the late thirties. Or maybe by the Jews when their shop windows were broken on the Night of Broken Glass. It's only in hindsight everyone can see things clearly.

What this woman doesn't realize is that she is completely missing the point or perhaps even willfully avoiding the point. She thinks the point to be learned from the "nutcase" is that existing "security" is inadequate. It's not. The point to be learned is that we are spending billions of dollars each year and getting nothing good in return for it. That money could have been better spent on something else. What we do get from it is a desensitized population. It's just a pink triangle or a Star of David you have to wear. What does it matter? Just go along with it and don't make such a fuss. Right?

It's the creeping of the searching that is the problem. You are searched before you can enter a Federal Courthouse, tour Grand Coulee dam, or visit the top of the St. Louis Arch. You can be stopped on the road for no reason and your car can be searched if a dog takes an interest in it.

People are getting used to being searched for almost any reason. It's "an inconvenience but not the end of the world". Those people are wrong. It fails my Jews in the Attic Test. End of story.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:05:27 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

Phil has better stories than I do about getting home after work last night. I had to take numerous detours from my planned route because of all the backups. Even though it was 00:45 after watching another four episodes of Enterprise with James' at his apartment there were cars backed up for miles in some locations. I managed to look far enough ahead to detour around them and didn't actually have to stop for the traffic.

It was 01:15 when I arrived in my neighborhood and there were people on the street directing traffic down a little hill. I have the best snow and ice tires Les Schwab sells without getting studs and didn't really have any problems. There were places where I expect my 10 MPH stopping distances would have been 50 yards (downhill on a glaze of ice) but I could stop, I could go forward, and I could steer.

There were lots of cars abandoned along the streets and there were "interesting" vehicle tracks in places vehicles had no business going. I'm in the middle of a conference call from work right now (my input isn't needed right now) but soon I'm going to grab some food and cooking utensils (the cafeterias at work are closed) and head off to work. I'm hoping to get some good pictures.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:51:08 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

...the Second Amendment is not for killing little ducks and leaving Huey and Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle.  It is for hunting politicians, like [in] Grozny, [or back in] 1776, when they take your independence away!

Bob Dornan
Congressional Record, 25 January, 1995

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:05:44 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback
 Monday, November 27, 2006

This "male pill" works by preventing ejaculation without inhibiting orgasm. For some people that would eliminate a lot of the fun but for others it would be most welcome.

Also "useful" is that it can be taken as a "one of" a short time before its effects are needed and normal function returns a few hours later:

A male contraceptive pill, which can be taken as a one-off dose just before a date without any side effects, is being developed by British scientists.

The tablet would prevent a man from being able to impregnate a woman by creating a “dry orgasm”. But the user’s fertility would return to normal within a few hours of taking the drug.

The pill, which was derived from drugs used to treat schizophrenia, prevents ejaculation but does not affect the intensity of the orgasm.

Very interesting.

Sex
Joe Huffman  Monday, November 27, 2006 9:36:24 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

As a scientist I can't think of a better way to bias your research and end up with bogus results:

The record is clear, and once we are able to get hearings on this, everyone will see what they already know, and that is that those who have the least opportunities at this age find themselves in the military, as I did when I was 18 years old.

Not only is Charles Rangel looking to find what he wants to find in these proposed hearings but he is announcing to the world what data he will find and what his conclusions are. Even if he managed to find data completely contradictory to what he believed he would have a difficult time admitting he was wrong and changing his conclusions. For a politician this is even more difficult than for a scientist. But then again he is a politician, not a scientist. For them it's not about finding the truth or doing the right thing--those things are irrelevant in politics.

That reminds me of a couple jokes:

POLITICIAN: From the Greek `poly' ("many") and the French `tete' ("head" or "face," as in `tete-a-tete': head to head or face to face). Hence `polytetien', a person of two or more faces.

Martin Pitt

And my favorite along this line:

The word 'politics' comes from the Greek root 'poly', meaning many, and 'tics', meaning blood-sucking parasites.

Joe Huffman  Monday, November 27, 2006 9:28:49 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  |  Trackback

I don’t care about crime,  I just want to get the guns.  No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals  . . .  we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns. Until we can ban all of the firearms,  then we might as well ban none.

Senator Howard Metzenbaum
[Just so you know what most in the gun-rights movement have discovered after only a modest amount of research. It's not crime control that drives the people that want to ban guns.--Joe]

Update: Due to interest in an accurate citation of this quote I went looking some more. I looked yesterday but wasn't able to find anything satisfactory. Here are some hints:

If I were to spend more time on this I would look for transcripts of the debate on the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban. But I don't really have the time.

Joe Huffman  Monday, November 27, 2006 8:37:00 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  |  Trackback
 Sunday, November 26, 2006

One battle at a time. We have a lot of work to do with things like property rights, ending the war on some recreational drugs, and Federal regulation of almost everything but we are still winning (or at least not losing) the battle to regain our right to keep and bear arms. Here is more proof from Eugene Oregon:

Other than alienating virtually every rural Democrat, there is no practical reason to ban handguns. We cannot take handguns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens when criminals would still buy them illegally or steal them.

...

Most importantly, gun ownership, including handguns, is the biggest deterrent to a totalitarian government or military coup. If the neoconservatives use the next terrorist attack to set aside more of our rights, we'll eventually run out of them. I'll be thankful that our "well regulated [neighborhood citizen] militia" has a "right to bear arms" that is not "infringed." Those are quotes from the Constitution. I wish gun banners and neocons would read it and love it.

Several years ago when I successfully moved to strike the gun control plank from the Democratic Party of Lane County's platform, no rural Democrats vocalized support. That wasn't surprising, because no rural Democrats were present. We certainly have been rectifying that, as our recent gains have illustrated.

This is not to say I agree with the Lane County Democrats on anything else. Here some info off of their website:

On every civil rights issue, Democrats lead the fight. Democrats support expanding opportunities in jobs, health care benefits, and education. We support vigorous enforcement of civil rights laws.

[Heavy sigh] They don't really understand what a "right" is. Health care is not and cannot be a right. Same with education and jobs. We still have lots of work to do--one battle at a time.

Joe Huffman  Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:51:01 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

I was reloading some ammo yesterday and noticed this on the shelf:

This is left over from one of the tests I did in September of 1998 when I was first trying to come up with a mix that would go boom from rifle fire. It was a mix of potassium chlorate, ammonium nitrate, and diesel. I had gotten a couple successful detonations but then wanted to try adding a lot more diesel. There were three reasons for this:

  1. A slurry would be easier to put in the pop cans
  2. Excess fuel should produce a fireball (HAH! It was over three years later before Ry and I had our first success with fireballs)
  3. Fewer measurements means less time spent making the targets

It didn't work. Even though I nailed the pop can from only 100 yards away with my 30.06 all that happened was the back of the can blew out. To this day excess liquid of any type we have tried is bad news to the sensitivity of the mix.

Joe Huffman  Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:04:56 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

No surprise here.

Palestinian Attacks Go on Despite Truce

JERUSALEM Nov 26, 2006 (AP)— Israeli troops withdrew from the Gaza Strip as a last-minute cease-fire deal took hold Sunday morning, but two major Palestinian militant groups, saying they had no intention of stopping their attacks, fired volleys of homemade rockets into Israel.

The ongoing rocket attacks by Hamas and Islamic Jihad tempered hopes for a lasting truce, which was meant to end five months of deadly clashes.

I believe the problem is the mindset of the Muslim civilization. As told by Samuel P. Huntington in The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order they have a different viewpoint on group loyalties than we do in the West. I've made a crude chart that attempt to get the concept across:

Huntington describes it as a "U" and an inverted "U". I have it as more like 'V's because I didn't want to enter in all the data points to get a smooth U. But the point is that when our nations leaders say, "We are going to make peace, stop fighting while we talk" our civilization will obey even if the local groups think the fighting should continue. Muslim civilization doesn't have that much loyalty to their nation. The local tribe and community has more influence. And on the other end of the scale they have more loyalty to other Muslims than their nation as well.

This also explains why Saddam Hussein picked people from his hometown as his guards and elite army units. He trusted them far more than people from other areas of the country.

Where does that leave us? How can we, or the Israels, negotiate peace? Or even have peace with Muslims? Good questions. I'm not sure it can be done unless we destroy their culture.

Joe Huffman  Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:48:02 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

Of course I do not regret the Bond days, I regret that sadly heroes in general are depicted with guns in their hands, and to tell the truth I have always hated guns and what they represent.

Roger Moore
[Daniel Craig isn't the only actor to play Bond and dislike guns.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:49:51 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  |  Trackback
 Saturday, November 25, 2006

Xenia wants to be a photographer. She is doing some of her first "real" work now with senior portraits. Here is a set of pictures of Jessa. I really like this one:

Today she took pictures of Martin but I haven't seen them yet.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:06:11 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

We went to my brother's place for Thanksgiving Day. They had a record number of people there--33. We brought seven of them in our van. In addition to Barb, me, and our three kids, James, Kim, and Xenia there was Xenia's friend Sara and Kim's fiancee Caleb. Here are some pictures. If I am in the picture Xenia took the picture (even the one with both of us in it). Otherwise I took the picture:


Kim and Caleb


Barb and me.


Xenia and me.


Amy. My brother's daughter who is the same age as Kim.


Lisa. My brother's daughter who is the same age as Xenia.


My Aunt Betty and one of her grandkids.

Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:59:36 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [1]  |  Trackback

I'm thinking of giving (selling actually) the opportunity for people with night vision equipment the chance to exercise their equipment and skills on the night of Friday April 27th 2007. This is two days before Boomershoot 2007. This would involve about 50 targets some of which would be "enhanced" for greater night time enjoyment. Other things that would be a little different from Boomershoot are the following:

  • Targets would range from about 150 yards to 350 yards away
  • Targets would be painted dark colors instead of being light colored
  • Targets will all be 7x7 inches
  • The price will be in addition to any entry fee you have paid already for Boomershoot 2007
  • The price will be from $200 to $500 per person depending on how many people sign up
  • The price will be finalized by April 15 2007 or when it is full whichever comes first
  • Spotters are welcome but probably won't be useful and will not need to pay
  • It will be limited to a maximum of 10 people
  • The sun will be down
    • Sunset will be 19:50
    • End civil twilight will be 20:23
    • Moonrise will be 15:23
    • Moonset will be 04:06 the following day
    • The phase of the moon will be waxing gibbous with 82% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated
  • Shooting will start at 20:30 and last for three hours or until the targets are gone
  • A different location would be used. It is about two miles to the west of the usual site
  • If it is too wet the site will be unusable and you would not have to pay even though you said you would participate
  • All shooters will have a minimum of 10 feet horizontally and can set up starting at 19:00

This is a picture of the potential site as of November 23rd 2006:

This location is facing north. The trees will shade the area from the setting sun but not from the moon. Of course if there is a heavy cloud cover it won't make much difference.

If you are interested send an email to JoeH@boomershoot.org with the subject of "Night Boomers".

Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:13:50 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [4]  |  Trackback

Courage and conviction are powerful weapons against an enemy who depends only on fists or guns. Animals know when you are afraid; a coward knows when you are not.

David Seabury
[Good advice when you in a situation where you fear for your personal safety. We teach this concept in NRA Personal Protection classes.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:45:02 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback
 Friday, November 24, 2006

Citizens have the natural right and the common sense duty to protect themselves, their families, their communities, and their property...guns are the equalizing tools of self-protection, utopian lamentations notwithstanding.

Edgar A. Suter

Joe Huffman  Friday, November 24, 2006 8:57:34 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback
 Thursday, November 23, 2006

Pretty interesting if you are a mechanical engineer type.

Joe Huffman  Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:40:29 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback

If somebody brings up guns I'm going to shoot 'em.

James Carville
November 22, 2006
Democratic strategist
Election changes hue of red states
News Observer via Alphecca
[I'd like to suggest someone makes sure Mr. Carville gets some good training and lots of practice time at the range.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:17:32 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback
 Wednesday, November 22, 2006

I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state.

Michael Dukakis
Then governor of Massachusetts, 1986
[Todays QOTD was inspired by this post from Say Uncle.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:45:02 AM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback
 Tuesday, November 21, 2006

I first saw it at The Smallest Minority. Then a friend from Microsoft (and Boomershoot) sent me a link to it and said, "This bit of fiction just absolutely scared the living daylights out of me." I'm pretty sure he is Jewish. [I was wrong] That makes at least a little bit of difference in the context.

It's a good read. You should read the whole thing.

I responded to my friend in email. What follows is a slightly sanitized version of what I said to my friend.


December 7th, 2008 is a Sunday. I'll be in Idaho.
 
Snarky remarks aside... Except for the level of detail and the scope it's nothing I hadn't already been concerned about. In addition to the financial centers I'm nearly certain Jewish population centers in New York City and Los Angles would be attacked--not just the economic targets. I've often figured Microsoft would be a target. It's too successful, too much of a bad influence (all that music and porn that is available via computers) and too big of a reminder of how unsuccessful Muslims are for them to tolerate it's continued existence.
 
And of course Israel would get it's share of "gifts". And probably England as well.
 
I need to find my book on nuclear warfare and see what sort of damage radius can be expected for warheads the size we are expecting. I think that for a 1 kiloton yield a mile or so is sufficient to have a decent chance of surviving the initial blast. That is not to say it would be something the U.S. could or should just shrug off.
 
On the flip side of that scenario I'm not sure most Muslim leaders and certainly North Korea will be very eager to buy into the expected endgame from that sort of attack.

I would expect that within a couple days Iran would have a soft green glow that would last for decades. If not from U.S. "sharing of the love" then from Israel suddenly becoming less inhibited in expressing their feelings toward Muslim extremists. I would expect many Muslim "Holy Cities" would become just "Holes".

North Korea geography would have some sudden changes that would require some changes in maps-should someone decide to put on their NBC (Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical) suits and visit. 
 
I certainly regard Muslim extremists as an extremely serious threat--more so than North Korea. Watch the trailer for Obsession, The Movie. There are so many parallels between Nazi Germany and Muslims today that one has to be blind, ignorant, or stupid not to see what's going to happen if we don't take violent action and follow through on it. Unfortunately we don't have any good options available to us. I see it as either the long slow road something along the lines of what George Bush attempted, and the Democrats sabotaged, or wholesale genocide. We don't yet have the moral justification, and certainly not the political will, for genocide. But after we get nuked we may.

It will be ironic. The Democrats all demanding/promising peace and getting swept into office on that force of that idea. Then they deliver the peace of the grave for both us and our enemies.

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:17:11 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [2]  |  Trackback

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Joseph Stalin
[And hence, you can conclude that the left has a vested interest in not wanting people to think as well as own guns.--Joe]

Joe Huffman  Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:55:06 PM (Pacific Standard Time, UTC-08:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [0]  |  Trackback