I’ve seen a lot of TDS over the last couple of years but mostly it was confined to individuals who I figured were already a few Coco Puffs short of a full bowl.
My general rule regarding groups of people is that they are almost always incapable of brilliance, but also less likely to do something extremely foolish or crazy, compared to individuals. So imagine my surprise that over 60% of a state assembly agreed with this:
New York is one signature away from allowing prosecutors to pursue state charges against presidential associates who have received federal pardons.
The Democratic-controlled state assembly on Tuesday passed a bill 90-52 allowing the state-level prosecution of people pardoned of federal crimes, provided that they worked for or were related to the president at the time of the pardon.
Sanity has its limits. Insanity has no bounds.
That a state legislature is that mentally deranged about Trump that they pass a law that is -><- this close to being a Bill of Attainder is more than surprising. It's frightening.
If the clear idiocy of this eludes them, what's next?
How does a state claim jurisdiction over someone that was pardoned for a federal crime? How does a state claim jurisdiction over a pardoned person if they're a resident of another state and have never even set foot in NY?
This portion of our history will go down as a close coincidence to Heinlein’s “Crazy Years”.
Oh, don’t worry … they would have a fair trial and then be shot at dawn.
What this would do in practice, I think, is to help ensure that nobody who worked for a president of any political affiliation, will ever choose to live and/or work in New York after they step back to the private sector. Or even catch a connection through JFK or LaGuardia. (Although some of us go to pains to not do that in any case…)
You know … someone should really remind them that the same thing would apply to people who worked for a Democrat president…
Remember, there’s this thing called ‘prosecutorial discretion’.
I think you’ll find that the odds there is one (1) NY prosecutor that would file such charges on a demoncrap are so low, you couldn’t get a Vegas bookie to take the bet.
“…. provided that they worked for or were related to the president at the time of the pardon.”
Oh, okay. I’m sure this will pass Constitutional……….
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. I was trying to be logical for a minute. These tyrants stopped giving a sh*t about the Constitution years ago. Never mind.
The real issue is that it is just about as hard to find a judge who cares about the Constitution, or has any real clue about its contents or meaning.
The Constitution? Find a judge that knows the rules of evidence or anything about the Hearsay rules, or can listen to a witness talk about numbers for more than a minute without his eyes glazing over. They are, after all, politically connected lawyers, which is the worst of both worlds. If lawyers didn’t have to educate judges about civil procedure along with arguing the merits of the case, trials would take half the time and be half the cost.
That’s hilarious! what a bunch of petulant teenagers. too funny!
I’m surprised that they didn’t simply make it a state crime to work for, or be related to, President Trump.
Resistance is Infantile!
Now that’s funny!
So Trump’s entire administration quits at 11:59am on Jan 20, the mass pardon is signed for all is signed at 11:59.30am, his term ends at 11:59:59am plus one second, and the New York prosecutors go pound sand. And if you think the President wouldn’t do this, you ain’t been watching.
Texas needs to pass the same law. Tit for tat is the only strategy that works.
My thought, too.
So, what’s legal in NY, can be made illegal in Ohio. and NY’ers can be prosecuted for it? YEEEEEEEEEHA!
So, we can violate double jeopardy against all those drug dealers Obama let out of prison? maybe Idaho could make the death penalty for drug dealing? This could be fun!
If you violate a state law and a Federal law, the President can pardon you for the Federal crime and the individual state that has jurisdiction can still take you to court over the state crime. That doesn’t take any special new law, that’s how it works.
So, what does this new law do differently? I should have read the actual bill but my impression is that they are trying to say they can prosecute someone who has been pardoned for violation of a Federal law without a state law being broken. Am I wrong?
It would have to be a state charge. otherwise its double jeopardy. No?
One should not assume these people concern themselves with constitutional limits on their activities.
Point well taken.