Quote of the day—CombatMissionary

There are predatory people around, and if we don’t kill them, they will kill, rape, rob and do anything else to us that they feel like. I know. I’ve dealt with them. There IS no education or reform package that works on them short of death. The recidivism rate for sociopaths after death is given is 0%.

CombatMissionary
June 19, 2014
Comment to The Naive Idiocy of Teaching Rapists Not To Rape
[While a little bit simplistic there is a lot of truth in this.

The counter arguments include that there are sociopaths who are socially functional and don’t break the law any more than the population at large. And putting predators in prison reduces their predatory scope even doesn’t “reform” them.

That said when said predators are in the act of a violent crime using lethal force to defend against them, even if it results in the death of the predator, is a praiseworthy act. And a good argument can be made such an outcome is preferable to the predator going through the legal system.—Joe]

4 thoughts on “Quote of the day—CombatMissionary

  1. There are more counter arguments than that. Most of those predators and bad people are likely not sociopaths. Although the tests for sociopathy are typically terrible and ineffective, it’s estimated that 1 in 5 people in prison in this country is a sociopath. That’s not close to a majority. We can also look back at history; 6 million Jews died under Hitler (who was not a sociopath) and Hitler didn’t even kill them. They were killed by members of his regime who were also likely not sociopaths. Maybe that’s far beyond the scope of this quote, but let me say that if you are confronted by a predator that wants to do you harm, odds are that they are not sociopaths. But you probably interact on a daily basis with law abiding sociopaths (as mentioned by Joe)

  2. “Some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”

  3. “Sociopath” and “psychopath” have become synonymous, even among those that make their living out of the DSM-whatever. There are lots of folks who score in the upper 99th percentile for either/both conditions that do not go around raping, stabbing, robbing, and killing (among other things). Some turn their pathology into ways to advance and become successful – used car salesmen, lawyers, actors to name but a few. Others use their patholgy to advance themselves – politicians, I am looking at you.

    But when some of them begin to exhibit serious antisocial behavior there is no easy or sure way to “fix” them. Samenow and Yokelson spent years studying them and the best they could come up with was “fake it till you make it” – meaning faking socially appropriate behavior until it had become habitual. But that only worked for those that did not want to be seen as socially inappropriate.

    Maybe it does come down to “Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.” That and knowing when and which ones to kill.

    stay safe.

  4. I have a sister who is schizophrenic. Recently she said that the voices have mostly stopped, so perhaps the disease is going into recession somewhat, but even so, it’s going to be a lifelong issue to deal with. She has told us that the voices sometimes want her to harm people, but even knowing this, I’d be somewhat surprised if she harmed someone.

    Interestingly, most schizophrenics are like this: they might not be able to consistently hold down jobs, or make complete sense, and may even have dangerous tantrums occasionally (to the best of my knowledge, my sister has never done this, but she has had episodes of being near-cataconic), but they aren’t likely to go on murderous rampages. And, sadly enough, most States actually require harm to be committed, before such an individual can be forced to be treated.

    Ok, I’m rambling a little bit, because my point is this: I have sympathy for schizophrenics. Even when I hear that a schizophrenic has done something aweful, particularly if it’s a mass shooting, I mourn for the schizophrenic just as much as I mourn for those who were harmed–because they aren’t in their right minds, and (as Suzanna Hupp said about the man who killed her parents in a mass shooting) “You can’t be angry at a rabid dog”–and if the person survives the event, I hope that they get treatment.

    But none of that matters if you are in the middle of an attack: you need to stop the threat immediately, and then pick up the pieces afterward. Sometimes, sadly, the threat dies. This doesn’t matter, though, because even if the shooter is technically innocent, he’s not going to stop shooting so that you could check to see if he has schizophrenia, and if you don’t stop him one way or another, people die, and so he has to be stopped.

    Sometimes, though, the threat is a perfectly sane, perfectly normal person who has chosen to use force against others because it benefits them. While I mourn the choices such a person has made, and the life wasted, such a person nonetheless deserves to get shot, and perhaps even die. Any hope that such a person might change their ways in the future does not nullify the immediate threat.

    And it drives me nuts when I hear stories that basically say “Sure, he was a drug-dealing thug that was killed in the course of his ‘work’! But look at this picture of when he was twelve years old! Such a sweet soul did not deserve to die!” (Never mind that the choir boy’s victims didn’t deserve to die, either.)

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