Quote of the day—Lee Viola

Essentially, gun advocates in 2014 are of the same mindset as cigarette smokers in 1964—just deny, blow some smoke in a rationalist’s face, and toss a butt on the street as though you own it.

Reasonable gun control will happen in the US, but it will require about fifty years of education, needlessly lost lives, price increases, lawsuits, and the same social/sexual shunning that have made smokers a powerless minority.

In the future, gun ownership will be rare and expensive.

Lee Viola
March 28, 2014
Comment to The Gun-Control Conversation Happened—and the NRA Won Again
[Apparently he hasn’t been paying attention in his gun political history class. He has it exactly backward and the time frame wrong. Rational arguments, taking new shooters to the range, court decisions, and political action is driving anti-gun people into political oblivion. At the present rate of advance we can expect that in 25 years we will have constitutional carry in all 50 states and “full auto” will be a selector switch option on nearly all new detachable magazine and belt fed firearms. Gun ownership will be as common as cellphone ownership today. More so if you count the number of guns owned per capita. The average gun owners has more guns than the average cell phone owner has cell phones.

He does have one thing right. Fifty years of mandatory government education could have the effect he desires.—Joe]

12 thoughts on “Quote of the day—Lee Viola

  1. Too bad he also missed the study that came out recently that shows that 2nd hand smoke doesn’t really increase chances of getting cancer. So the anti-smoking argument, much like the anti-gun argument, was/is based upon false assumptions. Excellent point made Lee

  2. “In the future, gun ownership will be rare and expensive.”
    If he gets his utopian wish, that will be so, except among the gangsters and government (when private ownership is gone that will be a redundancy alert).
    And if he is still alive he will be complaining about clubs and knives and how people just don’t want reasonable regulations to make knife and club-like-object ownership rare and expensive.

    And I have to say you are a better man than I am, to go to the Leftist websites to mine such inanities as this one. I just don’t have the patience to read such worthless and absolutely dangerous ideas from wicked and stupid people.

  3. So Lee wants violent crime rates and gang activity all across the country to be as high as Chicago, LA and DC, and other places with heavy restrictions against the second amendment where law breakers are granted a monopoly on the use of guns. Such a desire can be born only out of hatred.

      • Ubu,
        Theft, by definition, is unlawful taking without force. As a criminologist I would note that rational criminals choose crimes less likely to get them shot. The lower violent crime rate but higher nonviolent rate supports that transference theory.

        As for Glendale v. Moscow, you are essentially comparing a neighborhood to an entire, much smaller, city, which is problematic. Any time you have a population of just thousands it makes using “rate” less than useful to compare to larger towns as a single crime weighs much more heavily. A single crime in a population of 20K like Moscow is a .05 change in rate. In Glendale with 200,000 each crime only moves the bar .005. One bad day in Moscow is a crime wave, in Glendale its a blip.

        • Glendale is not a neighborhood. It’s a complete city, just like Moscow is. It has its own mayor and city council, its own college, its own trash collection, its own bad neighborhoods, etc.

          You are not explaining Moscow’s increased rape and assault rate very well since they are based on “per 1,000” population.

          • Hard to believe, but Glendale is safer than Kennesaw. (Look at Kennesaw’s burglary rate.)

            My whole point in this exercise is that Lyle shouldn’t just throw LA in with Chicago and DC because LA actually has a lower crime rate. Southern California seems like it has a high crime rate but that’s because the population is almost the same as the entire state of Florida. LA county alone has over 10 million people.

          • “Glendale is not a neighborhood. It’s a complete city, just like Moscow is.”

            Horse. Shit.

            Glendale is a small municipality embedded in greater LA. Moscow is in no similar situation. Calling it a complete city is misdirection at best, an outright lie at worst.

            Nice try.

          • I’ve been to Glendale, CA in the last month. If it weren’t for the sign welcoming you to Glendale you wouldn’t know you were in a different city. Orange County at least has that Stepford Architecture in Irvine and the other new developments.

          • ubu,

            Glendale is a “city” in the sense it was a city until it was absorbed by LA decades ago. It is a bedroom community, you might as well say Queens is still a real “city” and not just part of metro NYC.

            I addressed the rate and my comparison was at the per 1,000 population. 10 addl victims in Moscow kicks their rate up by half a point, in Glendale that would take 100 victims. Criminologically, you simply don’t compare such dissimilar locales if you want your findings to be useful, much less valid.

            Finally, burglaries and thefts are not violent crimes. They are a quality of life issue, but they are not a physical *safety* issue. To equate the two undercuts the point being made.

      • lies, damned lies, and statistics

        Per your own links

        Moscow – 32 violent crimes
        LA – 18,622 violent crimes
        Surely the difference is due to over-reporting of violent crimes in large cities?

        Same link, breaking it down,
        Moscow – Zero murders
        LA – 299 murders

        And… if you think rates are of any value, the rate of rape is twice as high in LA.

        … some folks are really are so ignorant they don’t understand the depth of their own ignorance, others are a step past being damn liars.

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