I find these handguns unaesthetic. They’re ugly. They’re in-between things of no particular utility — but if we banned things on the basis of ugliness and relative uselessness, there’s a whole lot of people who’d never be allowed out of the house.
Roberta X
November 21, 2010 Pretzel Helmke Logic
[Agreed. And if such bans were legal and ethical the first useless thing I wouldn’t allow out of the house would be Paul Helmke. But that isn’t the way this part of world works and it shouldn’t work that way. So we need to continue shaming and pointing out his lies and mental defects.
Roberta did a good job but I kept thinking that in the next sentence she was going to point out that the Columbine killers used an ordinary shotgun (which they had sawed off the buttstock) for most of the murders. But that wouldn’t have fit Helmke’s narrative of an “assault weapon” being the real criminal.
Do you think I’m exaggerating? If so then why did Helmke use these exact words, “The TEC-9 assault pistol used by the Columbine killers murdered 12 of their classmates and a teacher.”?—Joe]
As you know, I’m not a gunnie — but I have memories of a coworker back in the mid-80’s telling me about something he did. He went shooting with his cousin and his cousin had an UZI. He told me it was wild because you couldn’t really aim it and it shot all over the place before you could do anything with it. He had a whole lot of fun but didn’t feel like he could control an UZI.
So, did his cousin have a fully automatic UZI? Were those common in the ’80s? I’m just curious because I vividly remember him telling me about this. (I was neutral on guns at the time.)
It’s possible he had one and that it was legally owned. It’s wasn’t until ’86 that full autos started getting difficult to get.
You need some training to shoot a full auto effectively.
I don’t really care for them because for any of the scenerios I can imagine me needing a gun I can get more lead on target in a shorter period of time with a semi-auto.
I probably would never buy one but I still think they should be legal and reasonably priced.
Then he must have had a full-auto UZI.
From my co-workers description of firing one, I don’t know how practical they are. He said he shot all over the place. He couldn’t control it at all.
Of the people I’ve met in California (gunnies), many are sport shooters or collectors. I haven’t met any of the avid “I have to have my gun on me all the time to feel secure” kind of people that exist in other states.
With training he could have done much better.
Suppression of a population tends to make people quiet about things that get them unwanted attention. If gays were arrested and sent to jail for years for holding hands in public you wouldn’t (knowly anyway) meet avid “I want to get married” types either.
“Of the people I’ve met in California (gunnies), many are sport shooters or collectors. I haven’t met any of the avid “I have to have my gun on me all the time to feel secure” kind of people that exist in other states.”
I suspect you’re as much of an ass in person as you are online. I suspect the 2nd Amendment people don’t waste their breath on you.
And I suspect you make a pretty strong effort to avoid people that don’t agree with you.
Weer’d,
Please dial it down a notch. For the most part she has behaved herself within tolerable limits here. You are just a tad over the limit.
The UZI is just one of many 9mm (and other pistol caliber) submachine guns. I’m well aware of the media/anti gun meme that says some of these weapons are uncontrollable, inaccurate, etc. I recently saw an AK being portrayed this way too.
So if that were the case, why then would so many militaries and police units be armed with sub guns, including UZIs?
And if the AK (not a sub gun, but an intermediate caliber rifle or carbine) is also “hard to control” how do I and several of my associates do this?
Give us an M1A, a Thompson, an UZI, an MP5, or whatever you find laying around and we’ll do the same thing. I’ve done it with several AKs, an M1 Carbine and an M1A (the latter being a full powered rifle weighing over 10 pounds, loaded).
So which is it? Are these firearms uncontrollable and inaccurate, or are they super duper evil deadly efficient murder machines? It can’t be both, now can it? The problem with the anti gunners is that they’ll take any opportunity to be against any guns, even if it means contradicting themselves regularly and completely, thereby showing off their irrationality and lack of principles.
In truth, these types of guns are utilitarian fighting tools, and/or they are interesting collectables and/or fun toys. Some people like them and some don’t, but either way it’s no one else’s business.
Putting an UZI in the hands of a beginner, and then saying it’s “hard to control” is like saying a bicycle is dangerous and unstable because you once saw a 3 year old crash one on level ground, or the automobile is too dangerous because you once saw a total beginner have a hard time starting one and getting it in gear, etc.
The media retards are doing essentially that with regard to guns, and all they’re doing in the long run is discrediting themselves. We should endeavor to encourage them in destroying their credibility, I suppose.
I think the major issue is that they’re so much fun to “play” with that we underlings can’t be allowed to have them
Lyle,
I read the original post and followed the links and read something about the UZI being a “semi-automatic” weapon.
I was curious because I thought the UZI had a full-auto version and wasn’t just a semi-auto gun. Joe cleared that up.
Yes, I know that beginners aren’t going to be good at anything — but now that you bring kids up, wasn’t it a full-auto UZI that the 8-year-old at the Massachusetts gun show killed himself with?
ubu52 it was a Micro UZI, a pistol, not the full size carbine, the micro makes a ton of torque on full auto, they are difficult to control on long bursts, & they are usually reserved for those with proper training, ie quick burst of rounds then stop.
Would I allow my children to use a micro uzi, no I would not.
Would I say that people should not be able to have one, no I would not, if someone wanted to purchase one, use one and knew what they were getting into, then by all means let them own it.
Like any other tool or piece of machinery, if it is misused or used by someone that does not understand how it works, it can maim or kill.